In what decade is Kappa Alpha living?

I dont think Obama had supporters in other decades. Hillary supporters would receive the same treatment lol.

The same one the South won the war?


Maybe its because I'm from the deep South where virtually everyone is conservative, but he'd have a hard time getting into any fraternity here even without the KA comments, the obama comments alone would be enough for many to show him the door.

I commend you for admitting to that, but don't you think it's a bit rediculous to not live up to thte standards of non-discriminatory?

I don't think its ridiculous at all. I think thats its pointless to have discriminatory laws in GLOs.

And you are not from the South are you?

I wouldn't hammer an Obama supporter but I would hammer an Obama supporter who is stupid enough to think that they have a shot at being a KA.

I live near Oberlin College. You know, the hotbed of Abolitionism and the first college to admit African Americans on a regular basis. Many historians believe that Oberlin was the town that started the Civil War.

Now you know why I think there is way too much distcrimination in SEC fraternities.

So you are to say that we should just open our doors to everyone who wants to join. I know that you being in a sorority decided to cut someone for whatever reason. Uh oh, by doing that you discriminated against her by saying she did not fit in with your organization for whatever reason.

Hmmm.
Low Grades, Lack of Activities, No Leadership.
Yes, they didn't fit in.



ETA: It wasn't for race, religion, country of origination or socio-economic status.

Maybe its just different where you are from, but certain people just do not fit into certain organizations. For instance, had I rushed anywhere in the North, they would have called me a douche for wearing Sperry, Costa Del Mar, and Ralph Lauren, and probably cut me for it. Fraternities are generally compromised of people with like interests, values, and such. All I am saying is someone who supports Obama, would not fit in my chapter, so really we would be doing him a favor cutting. And before you start bashing the SEC fraternities, how many white people do you know in BGLOs. It is no different.

We don't like taking guys who have personalities that don't mesh with our own. A fraternity is supposed to be a group of people that have similar tastes and interests, we aren't going to give a bid to somebody just because we think they can be a "leader in the fraternity," we have plenty of leaders as it is.

Anyway, we ended up with 16 pledges out of 19 bids given out and we only lost one guy to another fraternity. The two undecided guys had their bids extended to sunday because we really want them.

MISTAKES: One kid came to the house bragging about being a third string quarterback in high school... seriously. I also caught a few guys lying about being interested in golf so they got hammered. I'm very happy with our spring rush though, we probably had 50 guys come through here and we have one of the largest pledge classes on campus.

I also really hit it off with a few of the pledges including one kid who's a world class break dancer (not fratty by any means, but definitely a really solid guy who I pushed really hard to take his bid.) Now we have to give them all nicknames, we have already deemed two of them Chester and Legend.

Call the breakdancing guy Ozone or Turbo (or Special K).

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Having been a KA little sister while I was at Kentucky (UK), I can truly appreciate this comment. I was from the North (Chicago) and had alot of culture shock going on while I was a student there. OMG! There were people that really thought that the South would "rise again" and I never considered the Mason-Dixon line until I got to UK. Suddenly--there were these guys that liked to dress up in Confederate uniforms, they sang "Dixie" and had atrocious Southern accents. Then they kidnapped my Pi Phi pledge class and the next thing I knew I was a KA little sister, complete with a dark red rose and brothers from all areas of the South.

I remember them all, and I remember my two big brothers well. KA is a really special band of guys, but they are living in a bygone era. Life has changed since Gone With the Wind! :)

Hmmmm, quite a few. Some even post here. Don't try to justify your own prejudices by using us.

Someone from Chicago talking about "atrocious" accents :rolleyes:.

I'm joking. Well, maybe.

OMG! People from the south having . . .southern accents??? I ask you - how dare they???

There are southern accents and then there are Deep South accents. I never realized this until I was in the working world, and the deep south accents are very difficult for me to understand.

But then, where I live, you can tell what neighborhood a certain person grew up in by the way they pronounce certain words

And so it is in the South, too.

In St. Louis (since folx can't decide if it is south or midwest) it's called the St. Louis drawl. After all these years of not living there I still find myself slipping into it at times. LOL

And nonblacks who actually apply for membership (it doesn't happen in droves because of what BGLOs' larger aims are but it happens more at some campuses) tend not to be denied just because of their race or because of political/social views that have nothing to do with the sorority ideals.

Getting along with and relating to people in the chapter doesn't mean that there has to be a cookie cutter look or way of looking at the social world. As long as the person is not saying or doing things to undermine the organization, the rest is just an attempt at reinforcing an outdated status quo.

Yeah, this debate belongs in a different thread so CUT IT OUT NOW please.

And you are supposed to be.....?

BGLOs were brought up HERE so we're discussing it HERE.

ETA: You should've stopped the thread hijack a page or so ago.

So how is that not a double standard? You are saying that sometimes people are denied because of those reasons. Also, those are sororities and I have two black friends that were denied from black fraternities for being "sellouts." That is FAR worse in my opinion than KA denying someone for being a liberal, those black fraternities are missing out on upstanding young men just because their father's are successful and gave them a great education growing up.

You are certainly free to run your organization in whatever way you see fit. I've never understood why people have a problem with a way an organization that they are not a part of is run internally. Perhaps its my southern upbringing that taught me to mind my own business and let others worry about theirs.

So now you want to type about it HERE? :rolleyes:

Stuff happens. There's a huge difference between stuff happening and fraternity and sorority infrastructures actually endorsing stuff happening. Chapters can get in a lot of trouble if they are found to have denied membership based on race or racial stereotypes. Versus what some of you seemed to be saying about your chapters that proudly (probably to the knowledge of chapter, regional and even national officials) uphold the status quo.

But, again, this is always a nontopic until people make it one for BGLOs. Despite our nondiscriminatory national statements, nonblacks do not pursue BGLOs in large numbers for a number of social and organizational reasons. The chapters that do get nonblack applicants are usually getting them because the local, campus and chapter climates are conducive to inclusion. ;)

Oh and imagine how this society would really be if Southerners truly minded their own business and let others do their thing. This country's history would be a lot different and that applies to how organizations were founded and how they currently operate. GCers amuse me with these regional references that they think are flattering.

How would they be different? Examples? Just curious as to your thinking process...

You go girl! I think the last paragraph is entirely appropriate to this thread. This is the same Fratty that just encouraged a guy in "skipping class to go to rush event" to skip his class because, "you have four years to go to class and one week to rush".

In the past, I thought this guy was just a dimwhit, but I now know that he would be the one putting on that Confederate Uniform that Barbino told about. But then I live near Oberlin, which is where the Civil War began with a bunch progressive Abolitionists. Maybe I should indicate that in my signature so they don't expect me to go duck hunting or fishing with the Frat Boys.

Please be honest. Do you have some sort of grudge against Southern Greek life? Every time there's a topic on the subject, you come running. I am from the South and very proud of my Southern heritage. I go to an SEC school, but at the same time, I think a few of the "fratty" posters here try way too hard so maybe you're more opposed to those individuals than anything else.

Edit: You act like there's something wrong with KA wearing CSA uniforms for their composites...

For me, this stuff isn't about the South because bigotry and the status quo did not begin and end with the South. It's just more overt and traditionalized in the South. I notice that on GC almost every topic turns into a regional thing or whatever (I'm not well versed in what all that stuff means, including the acronyms like SEC). But it seems that most GCers are okay with these rants as long as it stays away from *gasp* gender, race or other more pertinent social discussions that impact college students and Greeks.

Anyway...some of us from the South (even if it's not the Deep South) get annoyed with people justifying everything with "well, I'm a Southerner." Give me a break.

I am just truly curious as to how organizations would be different if "southerners" would mind their own business, or whatever he was espousing.

Back to discriminating against pnm's - as an old lady whose seen alot over the years (and not just in greek organizations), there is discrimination based on just about every ridiculous thing you can think of when it comes to offering membership to an organization. I've even seen discrimination in Bible study groups (no lie). So, to say that because a national organization has something in their charter about "non-discrimination," they are going to abide by it, is generally a bunch of bull hinky. And, this is not exclusive to the south...

But, I've become quite jaded over the years;)

I think we all know there's no 100%. :)

To generally answer your other question, some exclusionary practices are meant to segregate in the name of "seperate but equal...or do whatever you do but stay out of our way." Other exclusionary practices are meant to segregate while also relegating others to lower status and both overt and more subtle differential treatment. The latter in particular happens all over the country, and more specifically in the South, and is not a tactic used by self-proclaimed "our own business minders." :)

Apply that logic to a historical and contemporary look at social interactions and the operation of social institutions, including quite a few Greek lettered organizations, that have conscientiously documented and benefited from exclusionary tactics.

I'm not confused.

I have also never read any of your posts that I can recall. So don't make yourself the GC Southerner spokesperson just as I will not make myself the GC Southerner spokesperson.

Water seeks its own level. For good or bad.

I'm sorry for implying something on groups on wide basis. I'm not trying to justify prejudices because I have none.

Am I the only one who caught part of that "CSA" movie on the Independent Film Channel?

I've never heard that before... very nice.

First of all Benzgirl... my GLO is diverse and I am glad that it is. We are the only good fraternity at this university that has a significant number of minorities because race is NOT a factor for a bid here. Perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions. You have some problem with the way things go down here... I know exactly why but I'm not going to post it and get banned, if you want to know my true opinion of you I will be happy to PM it.
And srmom apparently you do not know about American history if you think that any of the south's problems are from meddling in other states' affairs. We do mind our own business... like it or not.

And KA Society is racist... plain and simple. I have no desire to be a part of that organization and that is the only reason. They wear CSA uniforms because they were founded by Robert E Lee. They have a southern cross on their house, re enact a civil war battle every year, and got in trouble for spreading cotton on a black fraternity's lawn a few years back. These guys ARE stuck in 1865. I'm pretty sure they are the same at every school too. Most southern fraternities aren't like this though.
They are obviously not people that I want to associate with but they still have a right to have their own private organization. Any claim by them of not being racist is a boldfaced lie though.

PhiGam - Kappa Alpha Order is the founded by Robert E Lee one. Kappa Alpha Society was founded in Schnectady NY.

*insert pot/kettle reference*