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Kevin 09-25-2007 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1527744)
Hell, the ROTC isn't allowed on campus and The Minute Men were THREATENED and basically chased off campus. Columbia is full of it and I agree with the alum who are withdrawing their financial support.

Incredible. I wasn't aware.

Sugar08 09-25-2007 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1527744)
And people are pretending that Columbia Univ did it for some greater cause. They did it to solidify their status as a liberal University, with far left tendencies depending on the issue, and consistent intolerance for Conservatives. All under the guise of intellectual development of the student body.

Hell, the ROTC isn't allowed on campus and The Minute Men were THREATENED and basically chased off campus. Columbia is full of it and I agree with the alum who are withdrawing their financial support.

I agree that Columbia had some ulterior motives. And ultra-liberals are just as bad as ultra-conservatives. But I don't really have a problem with this guy coming to campus and speaking, because I feel like I learned something.

Munchkin03 09-25-2007 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1527744)

Giving him the platform wasn't necessary and it wasn't smart. And people are pretending that Columbia Univ did it for some greater cause. They did it to solidify their status as a liberal University, with far left tendencies depending on the issue, and consistent intolerance for Conservatives. All under the guise of intellectual development of the student body.

Hell, the ROTC isn't allowed on campus and The Minute Men were THREATENED and basically chased off campus. Columbia is full of it and I agree with the alum who are withdrawing their financial support.

Truer words were never spoken. It was almost like Bollinger got him on the platform to harangue him, getting brownie points from his whiny undergrads and lefty PhD students.

The Minutemen thing EMBARASSED me and I tell that to every kid who calls asking for donations. Bollinger is a Constitutional scholar who allows this nonsense to go on in the name of liberal tyranny. Columbia is so full of it! But I'm thinking about B-school there, so take what I say with a grain of salt...

jon1856 09-25-2007 07:17 PM

The Op-Ed cartoons had a field day with this.
Several very good ones.
http://cagle.com/news/IranPresidentVisit/main.asp

kstar 09-25-2007 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1527149)
Working for my "daddy's law firm," I'll have FAR more effect on the state of the world than any of those folks ever will.

-- but we all like to feel like we contribute to society I suppose.

Yes, chasing whambulances and getting out of parking tickets.



Nevermind, this has apparently already been addressed.

squirrely girl 09-25-2007 07:38 PM

ha!

Kevin 09-25-2007 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kstar (Post 1527901)
Yes, chasing whambulances and getting out of parking tickets.


We don't do very much personal injury at all. I really don't like PI at all. Who hires attorneys for traffic court??

I'll bet you're just upset because I've seen you banging on the bongos at 23rd and Classen :)

kstar 09-25-2007 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1527912)
We don't do very much personal injury at all. I really don't like PI at all. Who hires attorneys for traffic court??

I'll bet you're just upset because I've seen you banging on the bongos at 23rd and Classen :)

No, I prefer to go speak my senators and reps. in person. Plus, I don't play the bongos. Otherwise, yeah.

And since you can't read between the lines, working for your father's firm means jack.

Kevin 09-25-2007 11:49 PM

Well, you don't really know what firm it is and what cases we've tried. You're right in the sense that where I work doesn't really mean anything. It's that I'll have a better than average opportunity to help form the case law in this state. We do a fair amount of appellate work and if past cases are any indication of the future, I'll have plenty of opportunity to do that sort of thing.

But really.. what in the hell does this have to do with anything in this thread? All I know is that I said some stuff about protesters, then people start bringing up my job? Jesus.. if all I do is make a paycheck to take home at the end of the day, I'm doing more than 99% of the folks at the peace rallies -- 1908, you're a one-percenter :)

Sugar08 09-26-2007 09:37 AM

Did anyone see Ahmadinejad address the U.N. last night? It was on CSpan. He talked a lot, mostly about the U.S., without naming us. A lot of nebulous stuff about world powers who are overstepping their bounds.

Afterward, I was watching AC 360, and there was an analyst on who said that the man basically is a figurehead -- he doesn't control the military and he doesn't make policy decisions. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but I thought it was an interesting point, if it's true.

Rudey 09-26-2007 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1528150)
Did anyone see Ahmadinejad address the U.N. last night? It was on CSpan. He talked a lot, mostly about the U.S., without naming us. A lot of nebulous stuff about world powers who are overstepping their bounds.

Afterward, I was watching AC 360, and there was an analyst on who said that the man basically is a figurehead -- he doesn't control the military and he doesn't make policy decisions. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but I thought it was an interesting point, if it's true.

It's true. All the power technically belongs to the Ayatollah. Ahmenijad is sorta the Al Sharpton of Iran.

-Rudey

DSTCHAOS 09-26-2007 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1527879)
But I don't really have a problem with this guy coming to campus and speaking, because I feel like I learned something.

Well that's certainly a self-centered way of looking at it.

Forget the fact that this whole incident will be re-played in Iran to make the U.S. look weak and stupid. Forget the fact that we're laughing stocks because the U.S. government couldn't keep a known TERRORIST from speaking at a private, left wing University on American soil. Imagine what would happen if other countries were as stupid as we are?

DaemonSeid 09-26-2007 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1528330)
Well that's certainly a self-centered way of looking at it.

Forget the fact that this whole incident will be re-played in Iran to make the U.S. look weak and stupid. Forget the fact that we're laughing stocks because the U.S. government couldn't keep a known TERRORIST from speaking at a private, left wing University on American soil. Imagine what would happen if other countries were as stupid as we are?

The Iraquis let Bush walk in Iraq (however!) on his little surprise visits....fair is fair....LOL

Sugar08 09-26-2007 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudey (Post 1528299)
It's true. All the power technically belongs to the Ayatollah. Ahmenijad is sorta the Al Sharpton of Iran.

-Rudey

LOL.

Sugar08 09-26-2007 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1528330)
Well that's certainly a self-centered way of looking at it.

I guess.

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1528330)
Forget the fact that this whole incident will be re-played in Iran to make the U.S. look weak and stupid. Forget the fact that we're laughing stocks because the U.S. government couldn't keep a known TERRORIST from speaking at a private, left wing University on American soil. Imagine what would happen if other countries were as stupid as we are?

But we're already laughing stocks (or fiercely hated) across the world. I doubt one man's visit could do that much damage. And what does it really matter if Iran laughs at us (more)? Unless you think that more terrorists will think this incident gives them free rein to cross our borders and wreak havoc (in which case, I agree).

Technically, it's not the job of the government to regulate the goings-on of private universities. A lot of these left-leaning upper echelon schools consider them more than just American universities, (this I know, because I work for one) they work hard to appear to be internationally-focused.

To be quite frank, I think this whole incident has been GOOD pr for the U.S. government, at least internally. It a) confirms the negative impression most Americans have of Ahmadinejad, and b) it makes (some of) us feel good about free speech in the U.S.

And if the government didn't want him here, they would have found a way to keep him out. Columbia doesn't have that much power.

MysticCat 09-26-2007 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1528374)
And if the government didn't want him here, they would have found a way to keep him out. Columbia doesn't have that much power.

No, but our UN treaties do. Very hard, I think, to keep him out if he wants to address the UN General Assembly. Whether they can keep him from going elsewhere while he's in NYC to go to the UN, I don't know, but it certainly wouldn't help our image if the government was thought to be preventing him from speaking at a major university while here to address the UN. A no win situation, I think.

Sugar08 09-26-2007 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1528384)
No, but our UN treaties do. Very hard, I think, to keep him out if he wants to address the UN General Assembly. Whether they can keep him from going elsewhere while he's in NYC to go to the UN, I don't know, but it certainly wouldn't help our image if the government was thought to be preventing him from speaking at a major university while here to address the UN. A no win situation, I think.

Good point.

AOII_LB93 09-26-2007 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1527725)
He shouldn't have been invited to speak. Free speech on AMERICAN soil doesn't apply to terrorists and known supporters of terrorism. This goes to how I feel about any noncitizen who comes here, when you're HERE you will be treated as a human being but not necessarily given the same citizenship rights as citizens receive or given a platform to speak. Just like how Americans are often treated when we go to OTHER countries, especially Americans who are accused of tormenting or encouraging the torment of the citizens of other countries.

The president of Columbia is a cowardly moron. He waits until he's introducing the speaker to make negative remarks that will appease his critics.

Iran doesn't have gay people, everyone. Announcement.

Why did it seem like almost every news analyst on Fox News an alum of Columbia University?


THANK YOU! I totally agree with everything you said...except the bit about Fox news since I don't have TV at my new house. :) It's amazing the things you find to do when you're not watching TV. :)

DSTCHAOS 09-27-2007 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1528351)
The Iraquis let Bush walk in Iraq (however!) on his little surprise visits....fair is fair....LOL

no.

DSTCHAOS 09-27-2007 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1528374)
I doubt one man's visit could do that much damage.

It actually has, though.

You don't have to think it does in order for it to do so.

KSig RC 10-02-2007 11:32 AM

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