Also, I thought Peter Pettigrew would help Harry at some point (since Harry saved his life) to honor the magic that happens when a wizard saves the life of another wizard (this was hinted at in book 3). Yet another thread that didn't get tied up.

I seriously doubt this will happen, but would anyone else be excited if JKR wrote a prequel? I would love to find out more about young Lily, James, Sirius, Lupin, and Snape.

O GOD NO!!!! Last thing we need is a Star Wars Prequel Syndrome!!!

WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!!!

1. Snape liked Lily

2. Snape came from a dysfunctional family

3. Snape and Lily went to the wrong school

4. Snape fell in with the wrong crown partly because his social standings weren't up to muster and he was not James Potter

5. Snape had an unrequited love for Lily

6. Lily dies and Snape agreed to watch out for Potter

WE DONT NEED ANOTHER BOOK FOR THAT!

No way funnier was Snape saying "So do you want me to kill you now, or would you like time to write an epitaph." I could so hear Alan Rickman saying that line. I hope they leave it in the movie.

LOL...We're going to have to agree to disagree. There's a wealth of opportunity there, details to be added and expanded on. Just because you don't approve of what happened with Star Wars doesn't mean a prequel by JKR wouldn't be awesome:p. It's a moot point anyway, because I doubt a prequel will ever happen. I can hope though!

But he did. Instead of alerting the other Death Eaters as Harry & Co. were about to escape Malfoy's, he killed himself with the silver hand. Not exactly the most direct way of helping, but still...

I enjoyed the book even though I read quite a few of the spoilers and was aware of some of the inconsistencies. Cheesy as the epilogue was, it didn't bother me that much.

(cross-posted with AlethiaSi)

ok...I am reading back thru The Flawed Plan.....HOW IN HELL DID THE SORTING HAT GET ALL THE WAY OUT THE CASTLE AND INTO VOLDY'S HANDS???

damn that hat got a mind of it's own!!!

"Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain. " - Chamber of Secrets

He summoned it. He was going to destroy it (and Neville in the process) as part of his plan for Hogwarts simply to become Slytherin House.

Dobby never died in the film...just not seen since...and ditto on the Hallows and Kreacher...I was saying that myself....anybody ever see that easter eggon the Two Towers DVD at the MTV awards when Smeagol calls Dobby out?

"Dobby's a F*cking FAAAAAGGGG!!"

huh??? mkay...I guess u are right...that's cool enough

I think I'm remembering right, but I don't have the book handy. My memory, though, is that V puts a binding charm on Neville, then points up at the window in the tower. Glass from the window shatters and the hat flies down to V. V then says that in future, there will be no need for the sorting hat because there will be no houses -- Slytherin's name, crest and colors will be used by all. He places the hat on Neville's head, says something along the lines of "this is what will happen to those who defy me," and sets the hat on fire.

OK- I totally missed that, oops. I'm rereading the book now so hopefully I'll pick that up the second time around.

right...Voldemort summoned the hat and then he Michael Jackson'ed Neville with the hat on!

Sorry... wasn't quite clear. I shouldn't have said "again" in the spoiler. Of course, if folks only followed the movies, bringing house elves into the movie storyline again might be more trouble than its worth. (Sad, because Dobby in book 7 is pretty flipping significant.)

LOL.

Perhaps this gets at part of the reason that Neville could pull Gryffindor's sword from the hat even though the goblin had taken it -- Voldemort was threatening to effectively close Gryffindor House, and Gryffindor's sword and hat (which also held some of the thoughts of Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff) weren't putting up with that.

I was wondering what influence Ginny had on naming their children. I'd like to think that Lily's middle name is Fred. LOL

Have they said something about Hans Zimmer doing the scores for movies 6 and/or 7? He didn't do scores for any of the first 5 movies.

(But he would do a very good score.)

But it just wouldn't be the same. It's the same thing with a Hogwarts: The Next Generation sort of issue. The universe she writes in is fascinating, yes, but the only reason that this schoolchild is important is the battle between him and the Dark Lord. Harry's kids would only be famous because they're Harry's kids; his parents would only be more of the same. I would love to know more about them, but a book is not the way to go. Perhaps something like what Lemony Snicket has written about the Baudelaires after the end of their series of unfortunate events. (I highly recommend those books btw)

Well he didn't MEAN to kill himself. His delay cost him his life, but he delayed due to the blood debt he owed Harry.
You're right on the actions and close enough on the words I'm sure. Accio was certainly the spell of choice in this book.

I don't know why I thought it was him. :p Didn't John Williams do the first two movies? Either way, whoever the composer is, it's just going to make it gut wrenching


I do definately agree that he would do a very good score :D

Okay so weird. I just got an email from gc with DST4A00 responding to Lady Pi Phi and I can't find it. Weird.

Either way, Lady Pi Phi had mentioned that the middle names of Harry's boys could be Fred or Sirius, I don't think James middle name was mentioned but the other one was Albus Severus. Harry explained that he was named after to "great" headmasters of Hogwarts. And I got all teary eyed and was like "ahh".

It makes you wonder if in the 19 years the reputation of Sytherin changed from a house that only produced wizards who practiced dark magic to something else?

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I thought she was supposed to tell us why some people became ghosts and others didn't. It might have been explained in Harry's conversation with Grey Lady, but I didn't think it was very clear.

Slytherin didn't necessarily produce wizards that practiced ...that's like intentionally producing villains....it's just that some of them were more...........suspect

Albus Potter and Rose Weasley are the points of reference -- they are both leaving for their first year at Hogwarts, so they are each 11. (So is Scorpius Malfoy.) Lily Potter remarks that it will be 2 years before she can go to Hogwarts, so she is 9. James is older than Albus, though it doesn't say by how much. Ginny remarks, though, that "We wrote to James three times a week last year," which could imply that he is 12 and last year was his first year. It doesn't say how much younger than Rose Hugo is, but he seems to be around Lily's age.

Right -- Wormtail's silver hand was cursed. Back in GoF, when Voldemort Wormtail was begging, Voldemort said: "Worthless and traitorous as you are, you helped me . . . and Lord Voldemort rewards his helpers . . . . "

But we all know that he never rewards without a catch. After he made the hand and Wormtail thanked him, Voldemort said, "May your loyalty never waver again, Wormtail." Wormtail answered, "No, my Lord . . . never, my Lord . . . ."

But, in the cellar at the Malfoy's, Wormtail showed a "tiny, merciful impulse" towards Harry, and in so doing, his loyalty to Voldemort did indeed waver. When that happened, "the silver tool that Voldemort had given his most cowardly servant" turned on Wormtail and strangled him.

That and Expelliarmus.

Yes, John Williams did the first two scores, including the major themes, like Hedwig's Theme. I'm not sure who has done the others.

It was explained by Nearly Headless Nick at the end of OoP.


Did anyone think anything of the fact that Ron had a Muggle driver's license? I'm wondering if anything about their adult lives should be read into that.

I don't know if this has already been answered, but in CoS, Dumbeldore told Harry that only a true Gryfffindor could pull the sword out of the Sorting Hat. Neville proved himself a true Gryffindor.

1. I too wish she would elaborate on the occupations of the rest of Dumbledore's Army.
2. I can't wait for this to become a movie!
3. Neville Rocks!!!
4. I was bawling when Dobby died (when they buried him in all the clothes),
5. I bawled when Harry was walking toward his death and his mother was there (I got a thing for moms, especially lost ones).
6. I loved the King's Cross chapter.
7. I'm mad it was Fred, though glad Percy got some sense.
8. I was wondering where the rest of the wizarding community was when these children were fighting for their lives.
9. I personally would have disapparated to America to give me time to think.

I can't think of anything else. I'm going to re-read the book then re-read the books.

you know what...I ran across a slight parallell.....

Voldemort was a genocidal megalomaniac who only wanted purebloods in the world altho he was a 1/2 blood....

can anyone think of another real life leader who wanted the same.......?

oh yeah and that, I wanted to say that too:p

I think the comparison to Hitler was abundant. Even the "baby boom" comment earlier was appropriate.

Did you notice that Grindelwald was defeated in 1945? If bad things happen in the Muggle world when bad things happen in the wizarding world there are some definate parallels. You could almost take it to an extreme in saying that Hitler was no more than a pawn for the dark wizard...

While I believe that it is extremely unlikely that she will ever write another HP story or nany spiin-offs, if she wanted to write about the wizarding world again, she could write about the adventures of The Order of The Phoenix.

JKR talked about the Hitler parallel in this 2000 interview.

An excerpt:

Interviewer: Some of the people that you satirize most in this book, the evil people, the Malfoys, they're very classist, they're racist against the Mudbloods. Is it fair to say that these are neo-Conservative or Thatcherite? (JK nods.) Is there a real political axe you're grinding there?

JK: I think in this book [GoF] too, you fully understand… With Voldemort, I didn't want to create this cardboard cutout of a baddie, where you put a black hat on him and you say 'Right, now you shoot at that guy because he's bad.'

Interviewer: Like the Dursleys are more of a cutout bad people?

JK: Yes and no. You will meet Dursleys, in Britain. You will. I've barely exaggerated them. Yeah, Voldemort. In the second book, Chamber of Secrets, in fact he's exactly what I've said before. He takes what he perceives to be a defect in himself, in other words the non-purity of his blood, and he projects it onto others. It's like Hitler and the Arian ideal, to which he did not conform at all, himself. And so Voldemort is doing this also. He takes his own inferiority, and turns it back on other people and attempts to exterminate in them what he hates in himself.

I do think she also said somewhere that conflict in the wizarding world can be reflected in conflict in the Muggle world.

Was the consensus that Neville was the one who "came into their power late in life" because that just seems odd to me? Neville is only 17 years old, I don't necessarily call that "late in life". Plus, it's not like he hasn't been practicing for 6 years, unfortunately Neville just wasn't very good.

I bawled when he was walking to his death with Sirius, him mom & dad. I was like "boo". The only thing I kept thinking, peripherally (spelling issues on that word), was "yeah, I get to see Gary Oldman and his parents in the movie". LOL.

The whole time though I was thinking, OMG this movie is going to be hell to write (script wise). There was so much. You could cut out some of the traveling time of Harry & Co. You cut and make the wedding "boom" like the Quidditich world cup. It's going to be a lot of condensing and thinking "what can we take out". But in reality I think it's going to be more "how can we make this a shorter scene than it is in the book". I can't think of one "major" plot point that could just be cut out of the book completely. Yes, there are little plot points that don't have to be mentioned (i.e. Tonks pregnant), but I don't know. I'm glad I'm not the screen writer, they have a hell of a task in front of them.

It's definitely not Neville.

The statement from JKR that someone would do magic late in life is from an interview in 1999, before Prisoner of Azkaban was published. Here is what she said:

Q. Will there be, or have there been, any "late blooming" students in the school who come into their magic potential as adults, rather than as children? By the way, I loved meeting you, and hearing you speak, when you came to Anderson's in Naperville. I can hardly wait until you tour again.

A. Ahhh! I loved the event at Anderson's. It was one of my favorites. That is completely true. No, is the answer. In my books, magic almost always shows itself in a person before age 11; however, there is a character who does manage in desperate circumstances to do magic quite late in life, but that is very rare in the world I am writing about.

Magic showed itself in Neville before he came to Hogwarts.

The speculation I have heard is that the character she was talking about, if not a character or plot element that was eventually eliminated, was Merope Gaunt. Her father called her a Squib, but after he and her brother were in Azkaban, she created the love potion that made Tom Riddle fall in love with her and got her out of her father's house. She was desperate and she did magic later than the usual 11.

Granted, she wouldn't be called "late in life," except relatively speaking. So maybe it was a plot element that she decided not to use.

I thought it was too predictable as well. Overall, I liked it...still not entirely sure how I like the ending...I think I need to re-read it. I read it between plane flights and while waiting for luggage, so I think I lost some of the effect.

And what was with ALL of Slytherin leaving Hogworts. I can't believe the entire house would leave and slide with Vodlemort. That bothered me. Why bother even having a house of Slytherin in the "new" Hogworts if it only produces evil witches and wizards? I refuse to believe the whole house was evil- even people like the Malfoys had a change of heart(somewhat) in the end.

hijack/ I hate to say this, but as I'm re-reading the book, I'm finding myself skipping over whole parts and chapters, not exactly to get to the end, but just because I don't want to read them (i.e. like during the whole hunt for the Horcruxes with Harry and hermione... i just found it to drag and be kind of painful)
does anyone else do this?

/hijack

Well, it was only the witches and wizards over age 17 who were allowed to stay (plus the few underage students who snuck back, like Ginny and Colin Creevy) -- everyone under 17 was sent to Hogsmeade. So it was only the 7th year Slytherins who could have stayed. We know they were not a particularly nice lot, and of them, Crabbe was dead and Malfoy was doing whatever it was he did.

And Slytherin did produce Slughorn and Snape (and Narcissa Malfoy, who could have given Harry away but didn't).

I don't know why, (perhaps lack of sleep) but I think I interpreted the line about how the 5 Potters walked toward 9 3/4 as five kids fathered by Harry. Oops. But now this makes sense.

And John Williams/LSO did the scores for all films but GoF... which seems to be my least favorite soundtrack. I don't remember who did that one.

Slytherin doesn't only produce bad wizards, but all the dark wizards have come from the house. Not the same thing. (Those kids would just be sorted into another house) I think it's the ambition that the house values that does it, IMO.

But you could argue that those same qualities would have led even the "good ones" to get the hell out of Dodge if only because they didn't want to fight for the wrong side. Not many Hufflepuffs or Ravenclaws stayed either.

MysticCat: Some 6th years would be of age as well, Luna stayed and no one put up a fuss, and Ron was of age during his 6th year. I get the impression Harry was actually young for his class, not the norm.

Accordig to IMDb, Jeremy Soule did the soundtrack for Chamber of Secrets, Patrick Doyle did the soundtrack for Goblet of Fire and Nicholas Hooper did the soundtrack for Order of the Phoenix. Of course, all of the movies have used musical themes that John Williams wrote for the first movie.

True. I forgot that some of the 6th years are older than others.

Weird... I could have swore I read on Mugglenet that JW did the OOtP. But... that's Mugglenet.