I have a gut feeling that someone is going to find a way to sue over this new device.

ok here's me trying to bring this convo full circle, since this thread is being claimed as a "train wreck"

the purpose of the woman who created this product seemed to have this is mind - making the woman a little more "responsible" for being in a situation where she may be raped. thing is, ANY time is the time for a woman to be taken advantage of and furthermore its not like a woman is 100% helpless in said scenario. like its been mentioned, its never a woman's fault that she is raped but she CAN take preventative measures to minimize the chances of it happening. that doesn't mean "hey go ahead and walk down that dark alley half-tipsy with fishnets and a short skirt with that sketchy guy you met at the bar" but it does mean "sure you can wear that skirt if you want but understand the kind of attention (warranted or not) you will attract. and sure, go home with that guy, but think long and hard first - is this something youre gonna regret in the morning? does this guy pose a risk to my safety? do i have a plan B if something goes down that i dont like?"

now does living in a continuous state of paranoia and wearing a plastic d*ck clamp (which i see as an emotional and physical hassle, as well as a potential health risk, thought the site says there arent any :rolleyes: and a financial burden, as it can get costly) everyday solve the problem of the hundreds of rapes that happen on a daily basis? hell no. does it attempt to give some power to the women who are caught in this scenario? yes. does it do it well? not so much.

You kind of acknowledged my point and then missed it. When there's hard evidence it's much easier to convict (though of course sometimes women and men are extremely vindictive and will decide after consensual sex that they 'changed' their mind.)

If the case is just a testimony, it's more difficult to prosecute. If the DNA is there it's not really a he said she said case anymore.
Also, working with prisoners on a regular basis in my job, I have to come into contact with these assholes all the time. I hate it. Medium security is worse than max because medium will have more child molestors and rapists. This is because they get moved down a level due to good behaviour. We get some real scumbags occasionally. The guards will tell us what's up with each inmate.

centaur, I didn't know you did that for a living. Wow. Do you ever get scared? Do any of the criminals try to hit on you or threaten you?

off-topic. take that offline. next.

Ha ha are you the thread monitor now? ;):p

PrettyBoy, locking people up for life if they hurt someone else sounds fine and dandy but good luck finding the money or the space for it. Nothing is that simple.

Actually I'm an EMT but we go to the local correctional facilities to get inmates and bring them to hospitals in Boston. Some of the inmates are so nice that you forget that they're in there for a reason, occasionally a really horrible one. I've never been threatened, but I'm pretty sure I've been checked out quite a few times.

/derail

Not because of anything you said, lol.

I think centaur ignored you. lol :p tld221 I'm JK.:)

5 bucks there's gonna be a married couple who forgets to take the device out, and the husband is gonna get a big painful surprise. :(

This is one of my biggest fears, so THEORETICALLY this is a good idea to me. But that's only theoretically. I think that if I feel so uncomfortable that I have to wear piranha-condom, then it's a place I probably shouldn't go.

We have decades of empirical evidence that show, conclusively, that increasing the punishment does not act as a deterrent for major crimes, such as murder and rape. "Scaring the crap" out of a potential rapist is not really an issue, at all, no matter the statistic.


There's literally no other way to run a justice system in a civilized nation.

The only thing that acts as a deterrent toward abusing the system is to protect the rights of the accused - and keeping a high standard (burden) for conviction is to ensure the rights of the innocent, not the rights of the guilty. It's really that simple.

hahaha you wish i was the thread monitor... but if i was, i want a badge and everything!

:whew: im cleared then...

it's all gudt CG. and "piranha-condom" is a way catchier name than "Rapex." lol

I totally didn't pick these colors on purpose, lol

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...eadmonitor.gif

The only thing I have a problem with regarding the justice system is the fact that taxpayer's money goes to medical care for the inmates. These assholes get better care than a lot of regular civilians who didn't fuck up in life. I know some inmates who push to get surgeries done while they're still in prison because they won't be able to afford it when they're out. OMG it pisses me off so bad. And the ambulance ride isn't cheap either-guess what, you all are paying for a $1k ambulance ride for a guy who's trying to get a surgery done on your dime because he can't have it when he gets out. Inmates piss me off so much.

Aw thanks :D Yeah our colors can look horrendous if not well matched :p

hey hey, wrong CG! It isn't often people laugh at my jokes--give me my credit before I say something else and get lamed out again! :D ;)

How would you set it up differently?

Whats the big deal about inmates getting free medical care? I thought you were a socialist lib. If the welfare queens can ride the tax dime, why can't they?

Listen to her. GeekyPenguin is trying to be slick by asking me how I would set it up, because AQAK she's trying to set me up by making me look like an idiot since she knows the law.:rolleyes:

She's still from Minnesota though, so I won't talk about her anymore.:D

Seriously. The way I think it should be done is we can start by not protecting criminals. Like centaur said, they live better than some innocent people do. The prisons wouldn't be over crowded if we started sending a lot of them over to Iraq, Afganistan and other countries we get into with. That's the best way to get rid of them. If they want to murder people let them murder our enemies. To me murderers and rapist serve no purpose on this earth. They shouldn't even be able to breath the same air we breath. I think it should be black and white, if you did it, you did it. No trial, straight to prison. The laws in this country are so backwards it's insane. Makes me wonder why we have the highest crime rate world wide. Well, of course we do if we're against the innocent and protect the guilty.

O.K. Home's I'm ready for you to slap me with your law degree and make my post look stupid. It still won't change my opinion though.:D

There is so much wrong with the above post and it has very, very little to do with any law.

Good luck figuring out where to start :)

So . . . you didn't answer the question. How would you change the system so you can determine 'black and white' without, y'know, a court of law and rights for the accused?

OH ALSO - since it's black and white, cut and dry and all . . . might as well hire a friend to get close to PrettyBoy, get involved in some freaky sex, record some key role playing, then show up to the police with bruises and DNA/hair evidence, right?

You'd probably want to be protected then, hmm? Or are you seriously that out of touch? Get out of Edina or wherever and think for a minute, guy - you can't really think it's possible to "know" whether someone committed the crime without any due process . . .

We're really not even close to the highest in the world.

Murder rate: #24

Robberies: #11, behind the UK and Spain

Rape: #8, behind Canada

Our system is actually one of the best in the world, at least in theory - once again, in case you missed it: protecting the rights of the accused protects the INNOCENT, not the guilty - I cannot state this any more clearly.

So in short: you make no sense, did not answer the question, absolutely ignore any semblance of reasonable thought, then make up statistics. Good job.

KSig RC did such a good job that I have nothing else to say except that I am not FROM Minnesota and I doubt this guy is from Edina, he's probably from Roseville or Maplewood. Most people in the west suburbs are educated and a little more aware of the world. :)

Violent felons should have to participate in a Bloodsport-style kumite...

TO TEH DEATH.

Oh, I thought you were from Minnesota. My mistake.

Well, you guys asked so I gave you my opinion. I don't know how I would change the system, I'm not a lawyer, but I just have some strong opinions on rapists and murderers.

And to KSig RC, you've made some great points, but I wouldn't get involved with a woman in some freaky sex act. Maybe most men would, but I wouldn't. I wait for a long term relationship or marriage for that. For the men who get wrongly accused of rape, yes that is wrong, but they should think before they act in a sex situation like that.

A few months ago a guy cut up his wife and spread pieces of her body across a park. He did this. So now he's going to be represented by an attorney appointed by the State. According to the news he's able to afford an attorney, so why is the State appointing him one? Why should I have to pay for this psycho to be represented at all, for cutting up his wife into pieces? This is what I mean by cut and dry, black and white. No trial. Just throw him in prison and throw away the key. It's a waste of time.

And I'm not trying to argue with GeekyPenguin because she knows the law. She went to school for it, but I still have my opinion on rapists and murderers and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Out of curiosity, what martial art do you study? I was doing BJJ for a little while until I tore up my knee. I'm about to get back into it slowly.

It amazes me how many people forget this point.

Also, sort of on point; this fall in my criminal law course, we toured a maximum security prison in the area (most inmates doing life, all violent offenders), and talked to a number of the inmates. I would suggest such a trip to anyone, especially people going into law, and certainly people who are concerned that our criminal justice system is too soft on violent offenders.

Where'd you get the idea that I'm a socialist? I may come from the UK but...
My deal is...I don't want a child molester getting an expensive back surgery, one that he doesn't necessarily need, while he's in jail because he can't get it when he gets out. It pisses me off so much to see inmates abuse the system that way.
I don't believe in welfare queens riding the dime either. Get a damn job and don't just stick around in shitty jobs long enough to qualify for unemployment then quit. It makes me so angry to see people abuse the system, both inmates and perpetual welfare-ees.

I used to do taekwondo and hapkido. My tkd style was...interesting. We were a non-federated club that practiced ITF-style tkd circa 1983-85. The kicks put a lot of stress on the knees. Eventually I did a ton of digging and found out that the grandmaster of my old club was a pathological liar with a lot of bad history behind him and I left. But not without telling all my friends in the club the truth first. Yeah, I stirred up a ton of shit and no one knows it was me :D
I started Hapkido and loved it but I didn't have much time and I have this completely irrational fear of falling so I didn't get to work through that. Between the two, I'd drop tkd anyday (I was a blue belt when I left, 3 ranks from black) and pick HKD back up. I miss it. Unfortunately with my right knee in the condition it's in I think I'll never do martial arts again sadly.

A little while back I got in touch with a guy I grew up with, graduated in my class. He's a 2nd dan in Hapkido. I went over to his house one time and he showed me some standing wrist locks and stuff I was like owwww, go easy, lol. Break falling is fun, I think. I used to do spontaneous forward rolls over at people's apts. That's when you find out if you're doing it right, when you don't have the mats there. ;)