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However, all good black male singers are gay, including my fiancee Lenny Kravitz.

We gonna be scrappin' over this one...:cool:

LOL...... bring it on! :p

My team let y'all have Luther Vandross his whole life, Lenny Kravitz in return is only fair. LMAO

Yeah but Luther didn't look like Lenny, and we never had Luther. At least we did have Lenny. :D

LOL true..... :)

Looky heeerah thug L-IV, When you grow up, if you grow up you will HAVE YET to fathom life like me...

This foolishness is about the lack of vows and ill-willness...

And I have invoked the Sentinel system.

Well, y'all can have John Legend, but Imma have to take Lenny.:cool:

Deal.

Let it be known that on Saturday, March 10, 2007, pinkies up, on behalf of heterosexual women, traded John Legend for Lenny Kravitz, in a deal with Senusret I on behalf of gay men.

This is incredibly funny. I reminds me a little of Dave Chappell's draft, but much funnier.

So that means us women get Lenny?

It better, because I'm going to have to start a fight otherwise. I refuse to give him up.

Your emulation may lead to your castration!
 

So, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? I respectfully retort....bullzit! While I may surprise some by saying that I do not deny your right to exist, I do have a problem with your lack or originality and creativity by bringing your underworld desires and latching on to a true original. Though your intent may be a espression of flattery to you, it is an insult to many of various affiliations.... No need for fines or suits.... Adult Class 101 grasshopper:

Get your lawyers ready cuz' you're in for lesson in messin' with grown folks.

Your crew has decided that you have found a pre-imenent organization to leach off, copy, bite...whatever, for your own benefit. The time spent replying, discussing this issues should be a crime...THEFT OF TIME! Your crew has been given 10 times more than your 15 minutes of fame has allowed. But since the dirty little secret is in the public mainstream and open for debate...so be it. The fact that several have stated that your sect will be in D. C. for the 100th may or may not be true; but it does speak to the point though you may not use trademarks, symbols...etc. you consider yourselves in some way a broken branch from an established and thriving tree.

Now, the Women of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., the true espression of Womanhood, Beauty, Brains and Style will survive y'all's forray into the bizarre; A true expression of growth would be to create a organization that
reflects your values instead of promoting a knock-off by stealing from an established commodity.

And, if this makes me a neanderthal, call me Captain Caveman, give me my club and Brontoburger and I will head back to my cave...

Deal. Now, what about Vin Diesel...:cool:

LOL! I forgot about him.

Wait, he's on the fence, how come I didn't know???!!!

Me neither. Actually I would like to keep him and hand over Ricky Williams, former Dolphin.

There are many great points that are made in this post. To all sorority members, what would you do if you found out your sorors were giving information to men who want to pledge your sorority via an underground method? To all fraternity members, how would you feel if you knew your frat brother was a part of one of these UG sororities?

Contrary to belief, these things do happen. I reside in Atlanta which is very acceptable to gay men. A lot of my friends are gay. Therefore, I've seen a whole lot of things while around them whether it be in a club or at their house. I've seen members of at least two different sororities strolling and chanting with them in the clubs. I've seen them discussing sorority information. I've also seen members of a few fraternities(to include Masons) being members of different UG sororities. Seeing is believing.

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What would I do?
I would treat the soror as if she were discussing info with a woman who is not a member and attempting to do some underground mess. I would discuss things with a more season soror, because the woman who is discussing sorority business with outsiders should not have the privilege of being a member neither should the person obtaining information the 'incorrect' way.

Exactly. It really is no different.

Oh yaaaay. An active smiley!!!!

I got it form http://www.smilieshq.com/ I saw some really cute smilies in a thread inthe Delta forum.

Well said. This whole issue is a hot mess. And here I thought that gay fraternities/lesbian sororities was a good alternative. Guess not.

Thank you for your response(you too ladygreek and IncontRHOllable).

It seems as miAKAs are stuck on this Wade Lyle character. I would also like for someone to explain. I've communicated with a few members of the phirst pham, and they don't even know who he is. There is no written information pertaining to Wade in their history books. He can't be tied to the Lyle family. I've also talked with some 'UG male AKAs' that I know in Atlanta, and they don't even know Wade Lyle. With that said, Wade Lyle(along with miAKA's history) is just like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. All you have to do is believe. :D

um...so...what i don't really get is why this group of men felt the need to imitate an existing sorority instead of either founding a gay male fraternity or joining a co-ed organization. it's one thing to show respect and admiration for the AKA's; it's quite another to give the front that you are associated with them. and this talk about sisters giving these men information!?!?! they should be ashamed of themselves.

Interesting blog I stumbled upon about transgender members of sororities...

http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2007/...-ready-to.html

Wow. This is too much for me to digest. Personally, I feel that my sorority is for women who were born women. I don't have a problem with someone changing their sex, but why not come up with your own sorority. I say this because I cannot call someone my Soror if they are really my "frat". :cool:

It raises some interesting questions! I personally feel the same way.

wow @ above transgender link.

it is hard to be open-armed and welcoming, and exclusive at the same time. someone, somewhere gets their feelings hurt. the thing most people dont realize is transgendered people are often not gay. their bodies develop as the opposite sex as their hormones tell them they are. they truly dont feel like "themselves" until their operations are complete.

i would hope that, one day, a D9 org or any other GLO for that matter could welcome people in that situation. there is no telling how much good they could do our communities and orgs.

i don't like the idea of men who had sex change operations because they are "women at heart" (read: gay) joining my org, but i don't personally have a problem with true transgender women who were just "born with something extra" joining at all. although we've never had such a women seek membership...

HUH!
 

Coming from a IFC perspective this is insane! I couldn't imagine a bunch of girls knowing our ritual and calling themselves TAUS! I think the world has forgotten what a fraternitiy and sorority are! Being Greek used to be an honor back in my parents days, only the best and the brightest. It used to be a great American tradition and now it has been abominated into something sick and gross. Now I want to point out not because these guys are homosexual, are organization promotes that we "know no north, no south, no east, no west, but to know man as man." As long as men period love my organization and keep the ritual alive by becoming living examples i don't care who they LOVE! But i have a huge problem with the ritual of AKA being trampled like that. Regardless if we don't like every person in every organization we are to respect and honor everyone elses ritual by keeping our noses out of it. Ritual is personal and sacred. My big bro always has a comment about how our ritual is his CHURCH! He always says don't mess with my church and that should go with everyone. Good luck to all you AKA's who are trying to live up to your values and ritual. I don't know much about ur history, but I know you weren't built on hate, and id hate to see such a prominent organization lose there focus because of a bunch of impostors. But either way good luck ladies, and i believe you have the entire support from the REAL greek community.

ATO: tau for life

i totally agree. i think i was at one point naive and thought that crossdressers/transgendered people were all gay. it wasnt until i saw a study on the human brain that showed the surprising similarities that females and transgendered males have in common. it was almost like taking a womans brain and putting it into a male. i still can consider you a female/soror/sister, after your brain matches your body.

Transgender and transsexual aren't the same thing as being homosexual.

It's the distinction between sex, gender, and sexual orientation.

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Sororities need to specify that your birth sex has to be female. This will prevent men whose GENDER (which is social versus "sex" which is biological) is female from attempting to join. It may also prevent hermaphrodites if the sex is ambiguous.

I watched a show on transsexual and transgenderism last night.

Very interesting and it fits into what the gender and sexuality literature discuss.

I was reminded of the two transgender "women" I met a few months ago. They were obviously born men and had just begun female hormones. I was waiting for one of them to say that "she" wanted to be a Delta. :(

yes, if that is the way it is going to be, it needs to be specified. once you get your surgeries, DMV will let you change your gender on your license. specifying birth gender will solve that...but it also brings to light the fact that there are women who are born women, but their sex is male!

You mean men who were born female? True so the specification would be "sex: female and gender: woman."

Then we'd have to worry about whether people are disclosing their full medical history. We don't require medical histories for applicants so we would have to trust that people are honest.

Are you sure?

Would we then expell those who may already be members?

i was thinking the same thing...i can't believe there isnt a single transgendered person in any of the GLO's. there may not be many, but there have got to be some out of the millions of greeks!

I went on a date with this Sigma who claims his line brother became a woman.

And no, I didn't ask him if his LB then automatically became a Zeta, but you know I was thinking it real hard.

Yes. :)

You are too much.**Knowing I'm wondering the same thing**

yes, i know. i guess i wasn't clear what i meant: my problem lies with men who have had sex change operations because they want to be women. i would not consider them to be eligible for sisterhood. however, i don't personally make those descisions for my entire sorority, so who knows what will happen in the next 10, 15 years!