Put the parents in jail. If your 15 year old daughter is getting gangbanged while on drugs and letting someone tape it, you've got a bit of work left to do as a parent.

Alot of white chicks children have Black fathers...whats the face for??



Where was the rape?? Going from dude to dude in a hotel room giving "brain" makes you alot of things but not a victim...
Those of you who think this is uncommon behavior among teens are kidding yourselves...those of you who think this isn't common among white upper class girls are also kidding yourselves...I work with teens from all walks of life everyday...sex, oral or otherwise is taken lightly by a great part of this age group and even younger..."hooking up" in their minds is ok....the moral values of society as a whole is shot, not just in one demographic...

Sorry......but the white upper class girls that I grew up with, were raised with, and continue to spend time with don't, and never have acted like that.

So what if the black guy was five or six years older? Do you think a 23 or 24 year old on tape gang banging a bunch of freshmen and sophmores is acceptable behavior?

So you are telling me if you saw your 15 year old daughter on a video giving head and screwing a bunch of guys in a hotel room while chiefing it up and getting wasted.......you would be fine with it?

All of those kids parents should be locked up too.

Did she say ALL?

She's saying that these deviant behaviors are not uncommon. They span across social classes and regions, for instance.

There's a difference between being "fine" with your 15-year-old daughter screwing a bunch of guys and thinking that one of the guys involved should be in prison because of it. I agree with amycat that, as long as the girl wasn't too drunk to know what she was doing, sending this guy to prison is ridiculous. It shouldn't be a crime, period. It isn't the government's job to protect 15-year-old girls from whoring themselves out.

Exactly...the government tries too hard to be the morality police.

I simply don't think it is.....it may happen, but I don't think it is common behavior.

So what if the girl was 13 or 12......you really don't think the state should step in and try to prevent that kind of behavior? At what point do you draw the line if you think this sort of behavior should be left alone?

Did you read the article?

"The trial finished that afternoon, and the jury came back with "not guilty" on the rape but "guilty" on the aggravated child molestation."

Well, the issue of where to draw the line is up for debate. I don't think anybody would disagree that it should be a crime for a 25 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. However, when you're dealing with teenagers having sex with other teenagers, it's not so clear-cut and I'm not sure where to draw the line -- but it probably should be related to the age difference between the parties more than the age of the parties.

I think some states do have laws to this affect, don't they?

Yes.

Umm ok but the white upper class girls that I went to school with (and this was almost 14 yrs ago) did "hook up" on a regular with boys and talked about it openly...these were southern raised pearl wearing girls from families of "prestige" in Charlotte...they threw wild ass parties in their million dollar homes when their parents were away...they did drugs recreationally and drank..these were the same girls who got good grades and went on to good schools...some were my close friends and so I witnessed this firsthand....the point, THERE ARE HOS IN EVERY CLASS AND SOCIO-ECONOMIC GROUP!!! If you live in a bubble were this is never the case then cool but you have to be realistic at your views of society as a whole...

You do know that you're trying to make a correlation between what you and your buddies experience and what millions of others experience, right?

I agree with this. Where were the young girl's parents in all of this? I know teenagers have sex, but the whole gangbanging and videotaping...wtf? That's sickening.

I also don't think that the young man should have gotten 10 years for it. Yeah, it's gross behavior, but 10 years? Nah.

YES! I could not agree more. I was a naive innocent teen in a private, preppy college prep high school and wow more slutty behavior witnessed or heard about than in college. And the school was probably 60% white, 25% african american and 15% asian. Is more diversified now as I understand, but then the whole city is.

My interpretation of the events at that party were that it was not rape. the chick who was gang banged consented wasted... fine line comes in then as to whether she was able to consent.. but can debate that forever.

It is ridiculous to persecute peers for having sex. period.

I don't have kids. Would I want my hypothetical daughter doing that? Hell no, of course not. But it is not my decision to make.

The law is ridiculous and made even more so by its uneven application.

And I guess I have never understood how some states consider oral sex more of a crime than penetration.

I guess my point is, at some level, events that night seemed (again, from my reading) to be consensual. Misguided, sure. If is was, perhaps she said yes because she did not know how to say no--this is not that uncommon. But its a bunch of teens getting in trouble. Parents should be involved. Not jail. Oral sex with someone who initiated it and is 15 to your 17 is NOT a jailable offense IMO.

And I do tend to lean towards this being racial on many levels. And that disgusts me.

This case was on the news the other night. They interviewed the prosecutor and some of the jury pool. They all agreed that because of the way the law is written they could not consider the spirit of the law or anything else of that nature. The sentence was 10 years no matter what. All were against the sentence term, but there was nothing they could do short of finding him not-guilty and I guess the jury felt he was guilty of the crime even if the sentence seemed to harsh. It also appears that they are trying to get the legislature to change the law (more than it already has been) and possibly get his sentence reduced or negated.

You guys can talk about being naive all you want, but believe it or not, there are communities where the large majority of people don't act like this. This reminds me of people who scoff at the idea of virgin sorority girls...simply because thats not how it is where you live, doesn't mean thats how it is everywhere.

I don't think anyone is saying this happens every single where. Communities like you describe above do exist and I tend to think are more the norm--even on other levels like the teen with the secret sex life and good girl image.

I was one of the naive ones. No sex in high school for me. I knew friends were, but it just didn't even occur to me that it was an option for me. Wasn't ready and wasn't wild enough then to do somethign i'd regret. thank God.

I jsut don't think anyone at that party, regardless of gender is more to blame than anyone else. there seems to have been a whole group vibe going on and was it stupid and irresponsible? Sure. Was it a jailable offense when the crime he was convicted of was one the "victim" intiated. Tell me, what living breathing non impotant man is gonna stop a woman who voluntarily starts givng you a BJ and ask her how old she is...? Esp when they knew each other form school.

It is a dumb law that seems destined to be unevenly applied. The end.

Any guy that was raised properly and has any ounce of self respect would think about the repercussions. When I was a senior in higschool I knew plenty of girls that were much much younger than me because I had younger siblings........something tells me I wouldn't have let one of them give me head in a hotel room.

Two years is "much much younger" to you?

Of course guys make mistakes about age. However, I was very aware of how old girls were when I was in HS. You can stay out of most of this trouble by not messing around with sluts. I'm not talking about college girls who like sex, I'm talking about the teenage type who pass themselves around and let people videotape it.

One sister is 2 years, the other 4.....so yeah, it is. College and older, two years isn't that much. But when you are in highschool and two years could make the girls 15, 14, etc., I think its a little different deal.

Haha, no cavemen have PMd me, but if any took offense I would of course change my signature ASAP.

I agree, it's an interesting question, and there's research going on in all different fields about sentencing. To me, another part of it comes down to the old general/common law debate (law as written vs law as unwritten, and judges' ability to "freelance," so to speak). If you give a judge more freedom in sentencing, they can be unfair in sentencing, but if you have these guidelines, they can keep judges from devising sentences that are, well, more "just."

I'm only a 1L, so I don't know if there's some middle ground, but it's a worthy debate.

not always. a lot of senior and junior guys will date freshman or sophomore girls. it's pretty commonplace.

this is stupid...there is no justice in america, i'm not too sure about the rest of the world either. (i don't know b/c I haven't been, but I'd be willing to bet not)

justice is a concept like perfection.....it is unatainable

the young man did nothing wrong

and if the original title of thread offended you, then good...you probably deserve it

Well, I was referring more to having sex and videotaping gangbangs. Dating, not so much.

So you would be fine if your son did what that guy did on videotape?

well considering that a lot people lose their virginity before they can drive, i'd venture to say that sex at a young age is pretty commonplace.

In some places i'm sure thats perfectly true.

Is marijuana legal in GA?

That makes no sense, but then again neither do most of your posts.

I believe there's really no middle ground, unfortunately. But I'm glad you're wrestling these types of debates as a 1L. :)

I'm no longer sure what the norm is regarding these types of things.

Hearing about teen sex parties across social class and race makes me think that maybe highly religious communities with high levels of social control, like the Quakers, are the only COMMUNITIES immune from this.

The prosecutor had a choice on whether or not to charge the teen with a crime. He also stated in the article that the young man should have taken the plea and served 5 years. So I don't buy my hands were tied. Also the law has been changed but can not be made retroactive for this young man's case. I also think another issue that rises in regards to race is that their has been and still continues to be huge disparities in sentencing terms for whites and blacks convicted of the same crime.

The law doesn't surprise me, I think there was a thread on here at one point about the obsurd laws in particular states. For instance, if I'm not mistaken in Alabama it's still illegal for balck and whites to marry. It may not be enforceable, but it's still on the books.

The fact that they still enforce some of the blue laws in CT (no liquor sold on Sundays in stores, liquor stores close at 9 pm when they are open) is another (yet much less more serious example) that laws are way behind the times in some areas.

This pisses me off -- prosecutors almost always have discretion. Five years isn't an appropriate offer in this situation -- if I were the kid's attorney, I would not have encouraged him to take such a shitty offer. That's not an offer -- it's a prosecutor being a butt (nothing new).

A lot of people blame this guy for not taking the plea bargain of being classified a child molestor.

These people say that Wilson(?) could've had a say in the hand he was dealt but chose not to do so. In other words, not being able to live with his little sister pales in comparison to going to prison so he should've taken that.