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_Opi_ 11-30-2006 12:06 AM
Is it the praying part that's most suspicious..or am I missing something else here?

macallan25 11-30-2006 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin (Post 1364189)
I don't know - I live in Minneapolis so it'll be interesting to see how this keeps playing out on the news up here. There was surprisingly little coverage of it. They could very well have been suspicious based on the other behavior - especially the changing seats. Heck, somebody got booted for breastfeeding on a Delta flight a few weeks ago. I just think that the lack of checked baggage isn't suspicious by itself - I've flown 12-15 times this year and I've checked once.

It isn't suspicious by itself.....its suspicious when it is done by a group of Arab men who have one way tickets and are praying before they board the plane....then switch seats and request large seatbelts.

DeltAlum 11-30-2006 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1364208)
It isn't suspicious by itself.....its suspicious when it is done by a group of Arab men who have one way tickets and are praying before they board the plane....then switch seats and request large seatbelts.
I have to agree.

I wonder if they knew the "system" and were just screwing with it to make people uncomfortable.

Praying is one thing, the rest of the circumstances and actions could certainly be considered suspicious given what we know about 9/11.

jon1856 11-30-2006 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1362761)
So you equate white Christian men to a bunch of Arabic speaking Muslims praying to Allah in an airport before they board a plane?? Wonderful.

..............Please tell me you don't.
Brother, while I do understand what you are saying, let me play the devil:
Some people would give some thought to: Sam, Ted, Tim, Green River Killer et al.......

And I keep telling myself that I will not get into any thread started by Sock-Puppet A/K/A Ann....have to start remembering that.

jon1856 11-30-2006 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1363449)
As a photography buff who travels with a lead bag to protect film in my carry on-- it strikes me odd that my bag is never searched. Anything could be in that lead bag.
Same thing with my girlfriend. Neither one of us have ever understood it. Unless of course the bags to not really stop X-Rays.

I have been stopped due to my shoes having metal supports inside as well as my C-Pap machine.

Now, I just take it everything I am carrying and put it into my travel vest and place it, my belt and shoes into the X-Ray.

jon1856 11-30-2006 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1364079)
Is it really over reacting? Last time I checked this was a new thing for the US.....you know, jacking airplanes and then flying them into buildings. Perhaps if we handled things the way they do in Israel and other middle eastern countries, it wouldn't have happened. I'd rather an airport be overly cautious than nonchalantly brushing off a bunch of Muslim men with one way tickets and no luggage who are praying to Allah before boarding a plane. Maybe they are more tolerant up there in ole Canada. I dunno. Also, you're an idiot.
Brother, while turning US airliners into cruise-missiles in the US is a new tactic here, it is not a new tactic.

Thought or idea has been around for a long time. There was a plan to crash a plane into Paris several years ago.

macallan25 11-30-2006 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1364643)
Brother, while turning US airliners into cruise-missiles in the US is a new tactic here, it is not a tactic.

Thought or idea has been around for a long time. There was a plan to crash a plane into Paris several years ago.

I agree.

Rudey 12-02-2006 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by KLPDaisy (Post 1363882)
I wonder what people would think if they ever flew El Al. My flight to Tel Aviv had a bunch of rabbis (including the one from my youth group) flying out there for a convention. In the middle of the flight, they all got up, went to the back of the plane, and started praying (we're talking at least 20 men here).
When a group of Jewish rabbis blows up a plane, then people will get concerned. When a group of Jewish rabbis blows up planes often, hijacks them, etc. then Jewish rabbis will get a reputation. And when Jewish people in general either sit idle or don't consistently denounce these individuals without offering some kind of excuses (ie they were upset at American foreign policy), then Jews in general may be considered potential terrorists. That's just the way it is. People may not like it. But that's how it is. And most people are OK with infringing on a few people's civil liberties to make sure thousands don't die. Plus El Al conducts one of the most comprehensive security checks of any airline. There are armed undercover guards throughout the planes, the planes usually leave from secure terminals, and they even ask Jewish people questions on their upbringing to make sure they are who they say they are. So I doubt many people would worry about anyone praying on El Al.

-Rudey

ZTAngel 12-02-2006 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudey (Post 1365341)
When a group of Jewish rabbis blows up a plane, then people will get concerned. When a group of Jewish rabbis blows up planes often, hijacks them, etc. then Jewish rabbis will get a reputation. And when Jewish people in general either sit idle or don't consistently denounce these individuals without offering some kind of excuses (ie they were upset at American foreign policy), then Jews in general may be considered potential terrorists. That's just the way it is. People may not like it. But that's how it is. And most people are OK with infringing on a few people's civil liberties to make sure thousands don't die. Plus El Al conducts one of the most comprehensive security checks of any airline. There are armed undercover guards throughout the planes, the planes usually leave from secure terminals, and they even ask Jewish people questions on their upbringing to make sure they are who they say they are. So I doubt many people would worry about anyone praying on El Al.

-Rudey
El Al's security checks are amazing and I truly believe every airline should do it. We would never have another 9/11 again. Yes, the boarding process takes longer but it's thorough. When I flew to Jerusalem with my family, they questioned us about holidays, prayers, where we live, etc.

I'd be willing to stand in line longer and be asked a bunch of questions if it means my flight is safer.

Tom Earp 12-02-2006 06:53 PM
The problem is a knee jerk reaction isn't?

How in the hell does a lady of grey/blue hair in a wheel chair try to get on an Airline and have to take her orthopedict shoes off to be checked?l

Or say a much maturer man with shorts and polo shirt have to take his shoes off for a bomb? Be scanned with a wand to see if any bombs are found in his tennis shoes?

Oh, maybe the Old lady in the wheel chair had bomb in her wheel chair or the Mature older man had explosives in his tennies?:confused:

God, I miss the good old days, when you had your pass, got on the plane, had a drink or food (Real Food) and just get to where you were going.:rolleyes:

Texas Beta 12-02-2006 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1365423)

God, I miss the good old days, when you had your pass, got on the plane, had a drink or food (Real Food) and just get to where you were going.:rolleyes:
Old days? How old are ya?

I wonder if Arab owned airliners beefed up security, besides companies which fly to western countries. Is there a need? Maybe theres some crazy white person out there, but I doubt it.

honeychile 12-03-2006 12:55 AM
Playing against type is exactly what a smart terrorist would do. That's why geriatrics are inconvenienced - for everyone's safety!

I've never flown El Al, but have heard amazing things about the security of the airlines, and the airports of Israel. It seems so simple, but it really surprised me to hear that the columns inside of the airports are made of lead, so they can absorb bullets & shrapnel.

AGDee 12-03-2006 01:20 AM
A co-worker was telling me about her flights on El Al and said that they weren't even told when the plane would leave. They had to be at the airport at 7:30 am and then boarded the plane when told. While more secure, that part sounded awfully inconvenient to me.

macallan25 12-03-2006 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1365423)
The problem is a knee jerk reaction isn't?

How in the hell does a lady of grey/blue hair in a wheel chair try to get on an Airline and have to take her orthopedict shoes off to be checked?l

Or say a much maturer man with shorts and polo shirt have to take his shoes off for a bomb? Be scanned with a wand to see if any bombs are found in his tennis shoes?

Oh, maybe the Old lady in the wheel chair had bomb in her wheel chair or the Mature older man had explosives in his tennies?:confused:

God, I miss the good old days, when you had your pass, got on the plane, had a drink or food (Real Food) and just get to where you were going.:rolleyes:
Shut your mouth.

AlexMack 12-03-2006 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1365423)
The problem is a knee jerk reaction isn't?

How in the hell does a lady of grey/blue hair in a wheel chair try to get on an Airline and have to take her orthopedict shoes off to be checked?l

Or say a much maturer man with shorts and polo shirt have to take his shoes off for a bomb? Be scanned with a wand to see if any bombs are found in his tennis shoes?

Oh, maybe the Old lady in the wheel chair had bomb in her wheel chair or the Mature older man had explosives in his tennies?:confused:

God, I miss the good old days, when you had your pass, got on the plane, had a drink or food (Real Food) and just get to where you were going.:rolleyes:
Tom, a white middle aged man did have explosives in his shoes, hence the check. That just went to show that you can never be complacent when it comes to putting passengers in a hollow metal tube full of jet fuel that flies thousands of feet in the air.
I miss the old days when I never worried about getting blown up...oh wait, I have never not worried about getting blown up. But still...

shinerbock 12-03-2006 04:37 AM
Thankfully, terrorists only fly coach. Poor bastards.

PrettyBoy 12-03-2006 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ann.coulter2 (Post 1362724)
Six imams removed from a US Airways flight from Minneapolis to Phoenix are calling on Muslims to boycott the airline. If only we could get Muslims to boycott all airlines, we could dispense with airport security altogether.

Witnesses said the imams stood to do their evening prayers in the terminal before boarding, chanting "Allah, Allah, Allah" — coincidentally, the last words heard by hundreds of airline passengers on 9/11 before they died.

Witnesses also said that the imams were talking about Saddam Hussein, and denouncing America and the war in Iraq. About the only scary preflight ritual the imams didn't perform was the signing of last wills and testaments.

After boarding, the imams did not sit together and some asked for seat belt extensions, although none were morbidly obese. Three of the men had one-way tickets and no checked baggage.

Also they were Muslims.

The idea that a Muslim boycott against US Airways would hurt the airline proves that Arabs are utterly tone-deaf. This is roughly the equivalent of Cindy Sheehan taking a vow of silence. How can we hope to deal with people with no sense of irony? The next thing you know, New York City cab drivers will be threatening to bathe.

Come to think of it, the whole affair may have been a madcap advertising scheme cooked up by US Airways.

Cont. @

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi
If they're doing all that, I wouldn't let them on board either. That's nuts. If I ever get on a plane and I see that mess, I'm not getting on if they let them on the plane. Let em' go ahead and boycot, I still wouldn't let em' on.

jubilance1922 12-03-2006 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 1365556)
If they're doing all that, I wouldn't let them on board either. That's nuts. If I ever get on a plane and I see that mess, I'm not getting on if they let them on the plane. Let em' go ahead and boycot, I still wouldn't let em' on.
Perhaps you should read the rest of the thread and get the whole story before you simply pass judgement on people.

macallan25 12-03-2006 02:22 PM
Yes, because God forbid we hurt someone's feelings in the name of safety.

jon1856 12-03-2006 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1365628)
Yes, because God forbid we hurt someone's feelings in the name of safety.
Brother I agree. Have you seen or heard the Civi Liberties groups complaining about the new "back-scatter" (sp?) X-Ray machines?
They work work very well, even great, to the point of seeing everything that a person has on them.
The "problem"? They act like X-Ray eyes. The viewer can see certain parts of a persons body. The viewer is in a remote location, not near the person.
http://www.rapiscansystems.com/sec1000.html

http://www.tsa.gov/research/privacy/backscatter.shtm

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/12/2/12848/7029

RACooper 12-03-2006 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas Beta (Post 1365468)
I wonder if Arab owned airliners beefed up security, besides companies which fly to western countries. Is there a need? Maybe theres some crazy white person out there, but I doubt it.
The "Arab" airlines have had pretty tight security for a while - my uncle does a lot of business overseas for IBM and said he found their (specifically Emirates, Saudi Arabian Airlines) pre-flight screening security was pretty much on-par with North America, except of course during alerts and in certain locales (such as Tehran). In flight he said things were another story - often an armed guard or two sitting in the back, and a fighter escort through some airspace (Arabian pennisula and Iran).

ASUADPi 12-03-2006 11:30 PM
Security- I personally think security sucks at the airports. TSA is not consistent at every airport and it should be. It is quite sad that it is not.


My mom and I were flying home from Miami back in June. I was flying Frontier and she was flying Southwest. We were in different terminals but there at the same time. She called me to say that she was concerned about getting onto her plane. She said that while she was in line for security 3 people (2 males and a female) of Middle Eastern descent were causing a rukus. One of the men was showing security his ticket and the ticket and the ID didn't match. The other man and the female were arguing back and forth with TSA regarding it. My mom saw and heard the entire exchange. Well of course she gets concerned because someone is trying to get into the terminal with a ticket that isn't in their name (or an idea not in their name, or both). The three people are pulled from security and she doesn't think much of it, until about twenty minutes before boarding when the female and the
2nd male come running to the gate and want to make the flight to Phoenix. She was freaking out (inside) because they had caused a commotion at security and they had no luggage with them (I guess she had overheard them say they didn't check luggage). This concerned her (I think because didn't some of the hijackers not take any luggage on board?). I told her if she didn't feel safe to go over to the Southwest counter, explained what she witnessed and ask to be switched to a different flight. It was very easy, she did it and they accomodated her. I think they even said that 1) a marshall was on the plane or 2) they (the flight attendents) would "keep an eye out" for the people that my mom was concerned about), I don't quite remember.

So with my mini hijack being said, I agree that the passengers had a right to be afraid, I'm just not sure US Airways handeled the situation appropriately. But I'm sure with the media attention it created (especially since it was negative) they will probably be rethinking thier policy's. (Not that I'm sure how it could have been handeled).

As much as people don't be to be racist (and I don't think we all mean to be), unfortunately since 9-11, the American public is very weary of Muslims. And it's gonna take time. Even though it's been over five years (which in another one of my posts, is no excuse for mail still being sent to WTC :D), but emotionally I think people are still trying to deal with it.

To this day I still get fearful of flying, especially when I'm taking long non stop flights (hence with lots of fuel in the plane). But as someone said earlier, when it's your time, it's your time. Plus, I'd be one of those who fought back. I'd much rather take them down then them taking down the plane and killing hundreds or thousands. Does that make sense?

Anyways, sorry this is really long. :D

Agree or disagree with me :D totally fine :D

PrettyBoy 12-04-2006 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jubilance1922 (Post 1365588)
Perhaps you should read the rest of the thread and get the whole story before you simply pass judgement on people.
I don't pass judgement on people, but I'm not getting on a plane with the same people that support Saddam, and hate my country. You can, but I'm not.

PrettyBoy 12-04-2006 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ASUADPi (Post 1365856)
Security- I personally think security sucks at the airports. TSA is not consistent at every airport and it should be. It is quite sad that it is not.


My mom and I were flying home from Miami back in June. I was flying Frontier and she was flying Southwest. We were in different terminals but there at the same time. She called me to say that she was concerned about getting onto her plane. She said that while she was in line for security 3 people (2 males and a female) of Middle Eastern descent were causing a rukus. One of the men was showing security his ticket and the ticket and the ID didn't match. The other man and the female were arguing back and forth with TSA regarding it. My mom saw and heard the entire exchange. Well of course she gets concerned because someone is trying to get into the terminal with a ticket that isn't in their name (or an idea not in their name, or both). The three people are pulled from security and she doesn't think much of it, until about twenty minutes before boarding when the female and the
2nd male come running to the gate and want to make the flight to Phoenix. She was freaking out (inside) because they had caused a commotion at security and they had no luggage with them (I guess she had overheard them say they didn't check luggage). This concerned her (I think because didn't some of the hijackers not take any luggage on board?). I told her if she didn't feel safe to go over to the Southwest counter, explained what she witnessed and ask to be switched to a different flight. It was very easy, she did it and they accomodated her. I think they even said that 1) a marshall was on the plane or 2) they (the flight attendents) would "keep an eye out" for the people that my mom was concerned about), I don't quite remember.

So with my mini hijack being said, I agree that the passengers had a right to be afraid, I'm just not sure US Airways handeled the situation appropriately. But I'm sure with the media attention it created (especially since it was negative) they will probably be rethinking thier policy's. (Not that I'm sure how it could have been handeled).

As much as people don't be to be racist (and I don't think we all mean to be), unfortunately since 9-11, the American public is very weary of Muslims. And it's gonna take time. Even though it's been over five years (which in another one of my posts, is no excuse for mail still being sent to WTC :D), but emotionally I think people are still trying to deal with it.

To this day I still get fearful of flying, especially when I'm taking long non stop flights (hence with lots of fuel in the plane). But as someone said earlier, when it's your time, it's your time. Plus, I'd be one of those who fought back. I'd much rather take them down then them taking down the plane and killing hundreds or thousands. Does that make sense?

Anyways, sorry this is really long. :D

Agree or disagree with me :D totally fine :D
See, this is why I only fly if it's an emergency. I'm going to Minnesota (my home town) for Christimas, and I will be driving. 13 hours 722 miles but it's worth it.;)

_Opi_ 12-04-2006 02:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ASUADPi (Post 1365856)
As much as people don't be to be racist (and I don't think we all mean to be), unfortunately since 9-11, the American public is very weary of Muslims.
This is true. And it makes me really sad.

jubilance1922 12-04-2006 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 1365892)
I don't pass judgement on people, but I'm not getting on a plane with the same people that support Saddam, and hate my country. You can, but I'm not.
That's great, but the thing is, you could get on the plane with people who think that all the time and you would never know.

Someone's religion is not an indication of how they feel about Saddam or this country.

Or are you in favor of profiling? When you're pulled over by the police do you say "Officer, its perfectly fine for you to pull me over without probable cause just because I'm Black and other Black people commit crimes.":confused:

DeltAlum 12-04-2006 01:01 PM
Profiling happens and has happened for years -- and not all ethnic based.

I have a friend who has long blonde hair and drives a Mercedes. He is constantly being stopped and searched for drugs because that combination is allegedly a profile for drug dealers.

Or ask a some teenagers who don't dress "normally" whether the cops profile them.

Since I wasn't there, I don't know exactly what happened, but if what has been posted above about these mens behavior beyond the prayers is true, I might have felt pretty uncomfortable about it myself.

I think there is a difference between profiling because of ethnic or religious background and behavior beyond that background.

jon1856 12-05-2006 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 1365892)
I don't pass judgment on people, but I'm not getting on a plane with the same people that support Saddam, and hate my country. You can, but I'm not.
Do you have any problem with our own home grown "trouble-makers" whom could have some connection with others?

Think of all the WASP's, CAP's, et el that we have already here that can and do cause problems.

As well as our share of idiots: And AA plane was diverted over the weekend because passengers smelt burning matches. A long story short; a woman was lighting up safety matches in order to cover up her B.O.

And just how many people have we heard about NOT taking their medicines while on a plane?

And profiling is rather old: I was pulled over for a drug search in Up-State New York years ago. Why? I was driving a Merkur XR4-TI which was a rare sight up there and the Trooper though he should check me out. I had no problem with it-laughed about it then and now.

PrettyBoy 12-05-2006 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jubilance1922 (Post 1365935)
That's great, but the thing is, you could get on the plane with people who think that all the time and you would never know.

Someone's religion is not an indication of how they feel about Saddam or this country.

Or are you in favor of profiling? When you're pulled over by the police do you say "Officer, its perfectly fine for you to pull me over without probable cause just because I'm Black and other Black people commit crimes.":confused:
If I saw a group of people praying to Allah and then supporting Saddam "Insane" then I wouldn't need to profile, it's a given that they hate this country, and everything about it. That means they hate me too.

As far as getting pulled over by the cops, I never do, so I wouldn't know what that's like.

PrettyBoy 12-05-2006 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1366486)
Do you have any problem with our own home grown "trouble-makers" whom could have some connection with others?

Think of all the WASP's, CAP's, et el that we have already here that can and do cause problems.

As well as our share of idiots: And AA plane was diverted over the weekend because passengers smelt burning matches. A long story short; a woman was lighting up safety matches in order to cover up her B.O.

And just how many people have we heard about NOT taking their medicines while on a plane?

And profiling is rather old: I was pulled over for a drug search in Up-State New York years ago. Why? I was driving a Merkur XR4-TI which was a rare sight up there and the Trooper though he should check me out. I had no problem with it-laughed about it then and now.
XR4-TI? Nice car. Rare sight everywhere, except Europe (Ford Sierra)

As far as our own trouble makers, I don't hang out at places where these people are.

jon1856 12-06-2006 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 1367083)
XR4-TI? Nice car. Rare sight everywhere, except Europe (Ford Sierra)

As far as our own trouble makers, I don't hang out at places where these people are.
Thanks-I loved that car but a "mechanic" messed it all up:eek: :mad: :( .
As for hanging out, if you are anywhere, so are they.
I am not even talking about airports or even bars.
Last night, I was in a spin class when we heard some noise from outside the room. Turns out that a "civil"/"friendly" game of pick up b-ball got rather ugly.
And this is a nice, "upscale" gym I am talking about.
Rather odd to see both building security and police officers in front lobby of gym.

kstar 12-06-2006 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 1367080)
If I saw a group of people praying to Allah and then supporting Saddam "Insane" then I wouldn't need to profile, it's a given that they hate this country, and everything about it. That means they hate me too.

As far as getting pulled over by the cops, I never do, so I wouldn't know what that's like.

Don't forget that the US helped Saddam come to power.

Not supporting this (unjust) war doesn't neccessarily mean that they supported Saddam. Many Muslims I know abhor Saddam, yet don't support this war. Heck- many Christians, Jews, Hindus, and atheists I know don't support the war and don't support Saddam. Praying to whatever deity you choose also doesn't mean that they hate this country.

jubilance1922 12-06-2006 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 1367080)
If I saw a group of people praying to Allah and then supporting Saddam "Insane" then I wouldn't need to profile, it's a given that they hate this country, and everything about it. That means they hate me too.

As far as getting pulled over by the cops, I never do, so I wouldn't know what that's like.
That's cute, but you didn't address either of my first two points...so I'll post them again to you

That's great, but the thing is, you could get on the plane with people who think that all the time and you would never know.

Someone's religion is not an indication of how they feel about Saddam or this country.

Or is that difficult for you to understand.

And it seems a stretch to say that if someone is pro-Saddam then they are anti-US, considering that we now know that Saddam was not behind 9/11 and considering that Saddam was our best buddy in the 80's.

shinerbock 12-06-2006 02:07 PM
Osama was pretty cozy with the US back in the day as well. Obviously doesn't mean his supporters are fans of America.

laylo 12-06-2006 02:19 PM
I would just like to make the general point that "Muslim" and "Arab" should not be used interchangeably, particualrly in terms of Americans. Most Arab Americans are Christian, most Muslim Americans are not Arabs. Carry on.

_Opi_ 12-06-2006 02:39 PM
whether y'all like it or not, anyone who wants to fly will have a file with their risk assesment. This is a new policy for airports (I've read it on cnn.com about a week ago..I'll try to find an article on this). Apparantly, they will keep a record on you, and you are not allowed to see this "record" and challenge it if it contains any inaccuracies.

http://www.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_210...=1&oref=slogin

So basically, everyone will be profiled.


I find it ridiculous when people make comments like "they hate us and our freedoms" or better yet, "they hate america, and that means they hate me". Pick up a book, learn something, and then make an intelligent argument.

shinerbock 12-06-2006 03:59 PM
Terrorists aren't fond of America or Americans. I've picked up books, and read them. I suppose this is the time when you start justifying their violence. I'll wait and see how your argument develops.

_Opi_ 12-06-2006 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1367456)
I suppose this is the time when you start justifying their violence. I'll wait and see how your argument develops.
:confused: I don't have any arguments. And when did I ever justify terrorist violence? What exactly are you getting at here?

shinerbock 12-06-2006 06:52 PM
I probably jumped the gun. It happens, sorry. Sometimes I read through a thread and am so pissed at the end that I jump all over the last person who posted something that rubs me the wrong way.
-At the time, I was expecting an argument of "they don't just hate our freedom, look at how we treat them, thats why they hate us..." or something along those lines.

PrettyBoy 12-07-2006 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1367162)
Thanks-I loved that car but a "mechanic" messed it all up:eek: :mad: :( .
As for hanging out, if you are anywhere, so are they.
I am not even talking about airports or even bars.
Last night, I was in a spin class when we heard some noise from outside the room. Turns out that a "civil"/"friendly" game of pick up b-ball got rather ugly.
And this is a nice, "upscale" gym I am talking about.
Rather odd to see both building security and police officers in front lobby of gym.
Sorry to hear about the ride. That sucks!:mad:

You're right, trouble can start everywhere, but if it's the obvious, I avoid it. Like if I literally heard some Muslims praying to allah and supporting Saddam "Insane" right before a flight, that's the obvious, and I would say if they're getting on, I'll wait on the next flight.


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