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blueangel 10-05-2006 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1333734)
Last time I checked, the official Muslim spokesperson is not a member of GC, unless I missed their thread somewhere.

Just because there's Christians who are willing to "clarify" things doesn't mean that a) they should; b) they're correct; or c) that they have ANY idea of what they're talking about. It's nice that the Muslim GC members have more sense than that.

If you'd like to learn more about the Muslim culture and teachings, do your own research and stop demanding that others educate you. You alone are responsible for your own learning.

This is a discussion board last that I checked. Is Opi immune from defending her statements in her first post? Afterall, she brought religion into the news media coverage of the hijacking, and it is she who is making a premise that she does't seem to be able to defend.

kddani 10-05-2006 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333736)
This is a discussion board last that I checked. Is Opi immune from defending her statements in her first post? Afterall, she brought religion into the news media coverage of the hijacking, and it is she who is making a premise that she does't seem to be able to defend.

Perhaps if you had asked nicely she would have responded.

blueangel 10-05-2006 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1333737)
Perhaps if you had asked nicely she would have responded.

Kind of an interesting thing to say when you upset Opi with this exchange:

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Originally Posted by kddani
Your tone makes it sound like you're trying to start some sort of race/religion debate here or put words in people's mouths.

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Originally Posted by _Opi_
It's not a race debate, it is a religious one. If you don't like this discussion, you don't have to respond. But if you didn't notice, there is another thread about "radical islam". So religious threads are plenty in GC.

kddani 10-05-2006 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333743)
Kind of an interesting thing to say when you upset Opi with this exchange:

I'm not the one demanding information from her.

And why are you speaking as to how Opi feels, since you're not her?

mulattogyrl 10-05-2006 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1333734)
Last time I checked, the official Muslim spokesperson is not a member of GC, unless I missed their thread somewhere.

Just because there's Christians who are willing to "clarify" things doesn't mean that a) they should; b) they're correct; or c) that they have ANY idea of what they're talking about. It's nice that the Muslim GC members have more sense than that.

If you'd like to learn more about the Muslim culture and teachings, do your own research and stop demanding that others educate you. You alone are responsible for your own learning.

THANK YOU.

Lil' Hannah 10-05-2006 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333766)

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Originally Posted by _Opi_
It's not a race debate, it is a religious one. If you don't like this discussion, you don't have to respond. But if you didn't notice, there is another thread about "radical islam". So religious threads are plenty in GC.

I don't read the words "I am upset" anywhere in this post.

jubilance1922 10-05-2006 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mulattogyrl (Post 1333823)

THANK YOU.

co-sign.....

PM_Mama00 10-05-2006 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333748)
I was a law reporter for many years, and have seen that tried many times... usually by green trial attornies.


Liar.

DSTCHAOS 10-05-2006 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333649)
But, could there possibly be a peaceful interpretation of the above quoted Q'uran passages? It seems to be all about "forcing" others to convert.. not about "witnessing" or "spreading the word."

Many Christians believe in forced conversion, particular the earlier missionary efforts. Witnessing and spreading the word can be very forceful and frightening depending on who the person witnessing is and who the person being witnessed to feels about it.

Either case, there's nothing "peaceful" about figurative warfare. But it doesn't make it any less figurative.

DSTCHAOS 10-05-2006 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1333734)
Just because there's Christians who are willing to "clarify" things doesn't mean that a) they should; b) they're correct; or c) that they have ANY idea of what they're talking about. It's nice that the Muslim GC members have more sense than that.

It's pretty clear that no one is a spokesperson for the religion or its doctrine.

With that said, there are probably just fewer GC Muslims than there are GC Christians who post regularly. This difference in numbers changes the odds/probability of such questions being answered. It isn't necessarily about "having more sense than that" (:rolleyes:) because I know at least a couple GC Muslims who do answer such questions on message boards whenever they have time on their hands and/or feel like being bothered with educating people.

KSig RC 10-05-2006 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333732)
Maybe YOU don't understand. :) I cut and pasted this from another thread for one of the posters who asked about it. I am not pressing Opi, because she has made it clear she will not answer my questions in detail.

Wow - she totally blew you out, my friend.

Opi and I don't exactly get along, but she not only made your "quotations" look idiotic, but addressed all of your concerns completely. Read -> comprehend -> post?

blueangel 10-05-2006 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1333894)
Many Christians believe in forced conversion, particular the earlier missionary efforts. Witnessing and spreading the word can be very forceful and frightening depending on who the person witnessing is and who the person being witnessed to feels about it.

Either case, there's nothing "peaceful" about figurative warfare. But it doesn't make it any less figurative.

I have not seen a Christian behead anyone to force them to convert. Have you?

blueangel 10-05-2006 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00 (Post 1333888)
Liar.

You're right.. I lied about being a law reporter. I've never been in broadcasting.. and I'm actually an astronaut!

MysticCat 10-05-2006 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1332601)
Yeah, what else is weird is that your signature says FMA but I see the greek with some other peoples

Again, weirdness I can't explain.

mulattogyrl 10-05-2006 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333925)
You're right.. I lied about being a law reporter. I've never been in broadcasting.. and I'm actually an astronaut!

Well then go to the moon instead of asking Muslims to explain stuff.

GeekyPenguin 10-05-2006 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333923)
I have not seen a Christian behead anyone to force them to convert. Have you?

No, they just burned them alive instead. So much better!

Nancy Grace is a "law reporter" as well, but that doesn't mean she's not a bumbling idiot.

Taualumna 10-05-2006 01:40 PM

When it was revealed that Catholic priests had been molesting children for years and years, many Catholics were upset about it, and demanded an apology. When radical Muslims were blowing up airplanes or doing other inappropriate things, few Muslims spoke up. Why is that?

_Opi_ 10-05-2006 01:40 PM

Blueangel,

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I am asking for someone who is Muslim to clarify for me. So far, nobody has stepped up.
you didn't "ask" you persisted to the point of annoyance. And I did answer your question. Care to comment?

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Yes, there has been violence on Muslims, just as there has been violence on Buddhists, Christians, and Jews. Are you saying there are Christian, Buddhist or Jewish cells and training camps which are organized against Muslims? Are you denying there are no Muslim cells, networks and training camps organized against non-Muslims?
huh? My response was to your post that said If muslims were getting attacked, there would be media coverage. Who said anything about terror networks.

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. Is Opi immune from defending her statements in her first post? Afterall, she brought religion into the news media coverage of the hijacking
Defend my statements? Did I say something incorrect that I had to defend, or did you? And religion is major factor in this hijacking story:
a) the guy was a Christian convert
b) he wrote a note to the pope
c) he hijacked a plane because he didn't want "to serve in a muslim army"
d) The Turkish airline spokeman initially released a statement saying this guy was protesting the Pope's visit to Turkey. Based on what evidence, I have no idea.

have you read the article at all?

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Kind of an interesting thing to say when you upset Opi with this exchange
I was upset? Geez, why didn't I get this memo. No, this is GC. People disagree here all the time. You wouldnt last in my profession of choice if I got upset over a GC post.

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If you didn't "lie" where is the quote where I allegedly "demanded" Opi answer?

Are you denying Opi was upset with your posts to her in this exchange?
You persisted to the point of annoyance.

I'm denying that I was upset by KDDani's post.

Please refrain from talking about me unless you are talking to ME. Thanks.

Again, I've answered your "concerns" and you didn't address them. Why? Where did you get those verses from?

MysticCat 10-05-2006 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333925)
You're right.. I lied about being a law reporter. I've never been in broadcasting.. and I'm actually an astronaut!

Actually, what I'm noticing is how you've been responding to everyone except Opi the last day or so. Opi has "answered" your questions by explaining to you that your "quotes" were bogus and that you were therefore operating under an erroneous assumption all along. No response?

DSTCHAOS 10-05-2006 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333923)
I have not seen a Christian behead anyone to force them to convert. Have you?


Yes.

shinerbock 10-05-2006 02:59 PM

We Christians really gotta stop blowing stuff up. Its getting out of hand.

KSig RC 10-05-2006 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1334019)
We Christians really gotta stop shooting abortion doctors in the face, destroying federal buildings, and creating white supremecist organizations based on the "word of God." Its getting out of hand.

fixed?

This really isn't that difficult a concept, guys - we're going in circles, everyone has skeletons in the closet. The question is whether the media handles Muslim skeletons in a different manner than Christian ones, not whether they're literally analogous.

It's not a pissing contest.

DSTCHAOS 10-05-2006 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1334019)
We Christians really gotta stop blowing stuff up. Its getting out of hand.

We're so perfect that even our hijacking attempts are cool. :cool:

epchick 10-05-2006 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1333959)
Actually, what I'm noticing is how you've been responding to everyone except Opi the last day or so. Opi has "answered" your questions by explaining to you that your "quotes" were bogus and that you were therefore operating under an erroneous assumption all along. No response?

Its because she likes to argue, and now that _Opi_ finally answered her questions, she has nothing to argue about anymore.

She's like a 5 year old who wants her way, but isn't gonna get it.

shinerbock 10-05-2006 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1334047)
fixed?

This really isn't that difficult a concept, guys - we're going in circles, everyone has skeletons in the closet. The question is whether the media handles Muslim skeletons in a different manner than Christian ones, not whether they're literally analogous.

It's not a pissing contest.

I cannot even begin to describe how terrible this analogy is. You've listed isolated events, some of which don't even participate in violence (the huge majority of white supremacy groups). You're comparing these to large and well funded organizations who do plan and carry out attacks on innocent people. The Oklahoma City Bombing had nothing to do with the people they were attacking. I believe they've even claimed that they had no real intention of harming the victims. The crime was intended to be against the government. How is that comparable to attacks which target civilians solely because of their faith or belief? Its not. As for the hijackings, I guess a couple guys not threatening any passengers and not harming anyone is comparable to cutting the throats of pilots and passengers and proceeding to fly planes into buildings filled with people. My bad.

The point is not that Muslims are more violent than Christians, although at this point in time you could make a very good case that they are. The reason Islam is portrayed as violent is because of the actions people take in the name of the faith. Are most Muslims violent? Almost certainly not. Are acts of violence in the name of Islam isolated or rare? No.

KSig RC 10-05-2006 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1334139)
I cannot even begin to describe how terrible this analogy is. You've listed isolated events, some of which don't even participate in violence (the huge majority of white supremacy groups). You're comparing these to large and well funded organizations who do plan and carry out attacks on innocent people. The Oklahoma City Bombing had nothing to do with the people they were attacking. I believe they've even claimed that they had no real intention of harming the victims. The crime was intended to be against the government. How is that comparable to attacks which target civilians solely because of their faith or belief? Its not. As for the hijackings, I guess a couple guys not threatening any passengers and not harming anyone is comparable to cutting the throats of pilots and passengers and proceeding to fly planes into buildings filled with people. My bad.

Again, missed my whole point - read the part about "not being literally analogous", which should indicate that I agree with quite a bit of the above - and try to relate your feeling to whether media coverage is biased. You're wasting some good rants here, when you could be addressing the topic.

BlueAngel has done a good job of derailing this thread, though.

KSigkid 10-05-2006 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin (Post 1333947)
No, they just burned them alive instead. So much better!

Nancy Grace is a "law reporter" as well, but that doesn't mean she's not a bumbling idiot.

And having been a "law reporter" myself, I can say that it in no way correlates to significant legal knowledge, let alone knowledge to critique the methods of attorneys.

valkyrie 10-05-2006 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin (Post 1333947)
Nancy Grace is a "law reporter" as well, but that doesn't mean she's not a bumbling idiot.

LOL @ Nancy Grace. She's an example of "Those who can, do. Those who can't, report, if by "report" we mean go on endless biased rants about evil, evil defendants."

That said, I have no idea what law reporters have to do with this thread.

GeekyPenguin 10-05-2006 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by valkyrie (Post 1334273)
LOL @ Nancy Grace. She's an example of "Those who can, do. Those who can't, report, if by "report" we mean go on endless biased rants about evil, evil defendants."

That said, I have no idea what law reporters have to do with this thread.

blueangel brought up her status as a "law reporter" to seem more credible.

This is my favorite law reporter. What's yours?

PM_Mama00 10-05-2006 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333925)
You're right.. I lied about being a law reporter. I've never been in broadcasting.. and I'm actually an astronaut!


OH.... so that was YOU who left their badge on the moon? Silly me!

valkyrie 10-05-2006 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin (Post 1334338)
blueangel brought up her status as a "law reporter" to seem more credible.

This is my favorite law reporter. What's yours?

I was totally trying to make fun of her for doing that. I was very subtle because I didn't want to get reported, you know, like you'd get reported in second grade.

I really like the Pacific Reporter.

RACooper 10-05-2006 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Taualumna (Post 1333956)
When it was revealed that Catholic priests had been molesting children for years and years, many Catholics were upset about it, and demanded an apology. When radical Muslims were blowing up airplanes or doing other inappropriate things, few Muslims spoke up. Why is that?

I call Bullsh*t!

I'm sorry did I miss something? Cause I do remember all of the Canadian Muslim orgs. condemning 9/11... in fact the Star ran the page of Imam's names condemning it. Further after the London bombing it was a nearby Mosque that organized a "safe area" for first response counselling and arranged for car transport for victims from the scene -> followed of course by the wide denouncements the next day and through-out the week. What kind or level of a denouncement were you expecting, or what would be "acceptable" condemnation?

RACooper 10-05-2006 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1333733)
Yes, there has been violence on Muslims, just as there has been violence on Buddhists, Christians, and Jews. Are you saying there are Christian, Buddhist or Jewish cells and training camps which are organized against Muslims? Are you denying there are no Muslim cells, networks and training camps organized against non-Muslims?

Opi hasn't denied that there are violent elements that pervert faith to further the hateful agenda...

But as for Christian cells organized against non-Christians -> hell yeah... just take a gander through the security watch-lists of militia groups, Christian apocalyptic sects, those "good'ol" boys the KKK (you know the ones that preached violence against non-whites, Catholics, and Jews), the various "White Church" groups associated with Aryan Nation, and of course any church associated with Ian Paisley (you know giving finacial aid to the UVF, to help stamp out the Catholic vermin).

GeekyPenguin 10-05-2006 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by valkyrie (Post 1334429)
I was totally trying to make fun of her for doing that. I was very subtle because I didn't want to get reported, you know, like you'd get reported in second grade.

I really like the Pacific Reporter.

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Does that contain decisions from the evil Ninth Circuit? ;)

shinerbock 10-06-2006 12:09 AM

The 9th circuit, ha.

blueangel 10-06-2006 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1333959)
Actually, what I'm noticing is how you've been responding to everyone except Opi the last day or so. Opi has "answered" your questions by explaining to you that your "quotes" were bogus and that you were therefore operating under an erroneous assumption all along. No response?

I'll be responding.. just doing more reading. I'm checking her allegations. Astronauts do that, you know! :)

PM_Mama00 10-06-2006 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1334502)
I'll be responding.. just doing more reading. I'm checking her allegations. Astronauts do that, you know! :)

Ok why don't we just stop lying here. You're not researching to check her allegations, you're researching to find your newest lie to use so that you look like your posts are legit.

You are just
2 Legit
2 Legit
2 Quit

blueangel 10-06-2006 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00 (Post 1334507)
Ok why don't we just stop lying here. You're not researching to check her allegations, you're researching to find your newest lie to use so that you look like your posts are legit.

You are just
2 Legit
2 Legit
2 Quit

Instead of launching personal attacks, why don't you join in on the discussion regarding Muslims in the media?

GeekyPenguin 10-06-2006 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1334521)
I agree there are plenty of hate groups.. there's even one right here on Greek Chat! :)

The organizations you mention are not organized with cells in virtually every part of the world. When looking at the scope of the Islamic Terrorists who have declared a Jihad-- they look like mosquitos in comparison.

So only being organized in the west means that it's okay? :rolleyes:

blueangel 10-06-2006 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin (Post 1334525)
So only being organized in the west means that it's okay? :rolleyes:

No one said it was OK. Please do not put words in my mouth.

I am saying that there is no group which even comes close to the enormous scope of the Islamic terrorists.


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