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And reason why you quoted her was because.....? :rolleyes:
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C'mon. If you say the UGA chapter of Chi Phi should be held accountable for the actions of their pledges, then would you also say that your chapter be held responsible for the actions of your probationary members? Saying, "it would never take place" is simply a dodge. And interesting that you would say this: Quote:
But earlier, when many of us were asking why the entire chapter should be punished unless it could be shown that the chapter itself was behind what these guys did, you seemed quite willing to condemn the whole chapter simply because a few pledges "weren't mindful of their actions even they knew that OTHERS knew that they were associated with the UGA chapter of Chi Phi." Quote:
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And by the way, I agree with you that racism is always wrong. I imagine Kevin does, too. But he's exactly right -- there are people who don't agree with the three of us on that. There are even people who think racism is the will of God. Kind of like how many people think abortion is always wrong and against the will of God, but others disagree with them. |
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UGA is hardly backwoods. It takes too many fools from Atlanta to earn that honor.
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*SIGH* Here you go, still getting smart. I'm not the arguing type. I thought if you saw it said a different way, you might understand what I was saying, that's all. Don't waste your time getting hyped up over what I type. Finish arguing with the rest of GC. |
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Did I answer your questions a little better? |
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Now, can somebody post something stupid so I can continue to laugh at it? Thanks. |
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But I'm still trying to figure this out. You say of drinking: "That's an individual thing I believe. If they get caught and none of us are involved, then thats on them." Why isn't the same true here if it turns out that the pledges did this on their own, without chapter involvement or encouragement? As an aside, it appears from reading a number of articles in UGA's The Red and Black that the chapter was suspended not because of the actions of the pledges per se, but because the University is investigating whether the pledges did what they did as a result of hazing. In other words, the investigation seems to be focused on possible hazing rather than on the incredibly stupid (at best) act itself. |
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Hazing, hazing, hazing. When will folks learn. You can make potential members earn their letter through a THROROUGH MIP rather than hazing. |
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I'm not a band g(r)eek, I don't know these things. |
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Your opinion is rather idiotic. |
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So, long story short:
1. Chi Phi is under investigation and yada yada yada. 2. Insert some confusion as to how we can extend a convo on naked black women to a response to a (gendered) stereotype on feminists. Different manifestation of the same general topic. The End. |
Yeah, when I said backwoods and redneck, I was referring to what uneducated views you probably had regarding the institution. UGA is pretty good school, and its far from backwoods. Athens is a pretty diverse town as well. I'd love to know what made you form your own opinion, given that you've visited here so many times.
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What does the ethnic make up of the county/town have anything to do with the University. Athens does not equal UGA.
for example: my hometown is probably 15% black, however one of the colleges in my hometown is over 30%. In fact, it has one of the largest step shows in the South. |
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Either way, I have friends in doctoral programs there and they aren't too impressed with UGA's or Athens' ethnic and income diversity. However, Atlanta has a similar issue with diversity but the difference is that ATL has 300,000 more people and blacks outnumber other races and ethnicities. I happen to like UGA and think this Chi Phi story shouldn't reflect poorly on the University. |
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It does not mean the concept has lost all meaning or value, but it does mean that those who remain in a very militant mode have lost touch with mainstream society. (in my opinion, that is.) |
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University of Georgia FT Undergrads 22,730 Men: 43% Women: 57% African-American 5% Asian-American 5% Latino 2% Native-American <1% Caucasian 86% In Fraternities 18% In Sororities 23% And per: http://www.ope.ed.gov/security/InstI...asp?CRITERIA=H in the years 2002, 2003, 2004 no hate crimes reported. GC seems to have two threads on this-went back to re-read most of the other thread. Without searching for or seeing other updated information, my limited POV is: It would seem as if a group of young male students, who happened to be pledges of a Fraternity, committed this action. Again without knowing all information, the only part the the chapter may have had in this was not knowing what their pledges were up to and/or teaching them about being Gentlemen. As for the rest of this thread, I will just lurk about and read it. |
Much less diverse than I had imagined. It's much like Arkansas though.
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Well the school doesn't have many black people, thats been in the news I imagine everyone's heard about that over the years...however Athens has plenty of black people, at least from what I see. As for the law school, I think its something like 30 percent minority, its pretty diverse. By the way, a simple lack of black people does not keep an area from being "diverse"...
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Looked it up for you: http://www.law.uga.edu/news/archives...ngclasspr.html Class of 2009: total of 232 students:" Just over one-quarter (25.4 percent) of the entering class indicated they are members of a minority group, making this class among the most diverse in law school history. Of the 59 minority students enrolled in the Class of 2009, 37 are African Americans." And the rest of your comment, for the most part, I agree with. |
I think one quarter is pretty diverse, but then again I'm just one of the 173 whities.
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Yes, UGA's law school is diverse--just like when HBCU graduate schools are filled with nonblacks. In such instances the graduate applicants are not representative of the larger university or its surroundings.
Not having black people doesn't make a place not ethnically diverse if there is a representation of other racial and ethnic minority groups. However, in North America people think in terms of black and white (and Hispanic). If the largest (Hispanic) and second largest (Black) minority groups in America aren't substantially represented on certain campuses, of course the place will be viewed as not racially and ethnically diverse. |
But its important to note that just because a place is overwhelmingly white does not make it homogeneous. White people are from a lot of different backgrounds obviously, we're all just lumped into a single category.
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But you all were specifically talking about racial and ethnic diversity. White people are lumped into one category racially and ethnically because white people have chosen to assimilate into one category--as opposed to remaining distinctly Italian American, Polish American, Irish American, etc. The link I provided has information on demographic breakdowns beyond race and ethnicity because I know that diversity is a broad category. Many Universities boast about being diverse, but they are only talking about the diverse backgrounds of their white students (most often social class and region). :) |
And I think that diversity within groups of white people is no less advantageous than racial diversity. I mean, black people and white people growing up in the same area under similar conditions are likely to bring similar things to the table. Meanwhile a white kid like me, and a white kid from Berkley whose parents lobby for PETA are likely to bring very distinctive viewpoints and experiences. I fail to see that black people, simply because they're black, bring something more to a university. I imagine that a white kid from New Mexico probably would bring more diversity to UGA than a black kid from Decatur, but I think schools get too caught up on how diversity looks in the Princeton Review breakdown.
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And as far as white people "assimililating" into one group, it depends where you are - there are still people around here who identify themselves as ____-American and are very immersed in the culture. |
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I'm Italian-American (as well as just plain American) and I have a Nonna instead of a grandma. I can make pasta al dente and I know that the whole throwing it at the wall thing is bunk. It should always stick to the wall, but only taste will tell you if it's done. But I also see myself as "American." |
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There are commonalities across race, gender, region, class groups, etc. They do not have to translate to things that are observable on the surface level. |
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There are still people who identify as ______ by choice but many of these people identify as ________ situationally/contextually. You won't find too many of these people say "No, I'm not white, I'm Italian American." In other words, these people are well aware of their "whiteness" and the advantages associated with "whiteness" within a larger context. |
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