I agree with you. These were my thoughts too about the siggy, but I don't know of any other sororities that were founded before 1906. The only fraternity that I can think of is Sigma Pi Phi, also called the Boule', if I remember correctly.

I think another aspect to your #2 statement is that the four sororities in the D9 chose to come together under the same umbrella council, and not necessarily that AKA was the first that 'influenced' the founding of the other three, per se. Like you said, there are other BGL-sororities that are not associated with NPHC. Oh, 1933 copy of Baird's Manual, where are you when we need you?

I've never seen any that specifically use the name of another organization (as is the case here), and in NPCville people wear any color or pattern they please so that wouldn't be an issue either. I see the shirts, think "wtf?", and keep on. Honestly though I have more problems with the shirts some of the men wear that are sexist and degrading to women. They are often very disgusting and offensive, and the last one I saw also had grammatical and spelling errors. In that case I didn't know if it was college students without a grasp of basic English that gave me a case of the vapors, or the way they described women's genitalia. Either way it was inappropriate for the event at hand.

Also, I think if just one person is wearing a shirt it is a different situation than if a whole group is wearing a shirt with the intent to diss. One person's poor judgment is obvious, but if done as a group I'd find it more questionable.

But it is still different than the shirts.

Yes. I was not referring to the shirt in this comment. Just exploring the idea / possibility that AKA may or may not have been the first HBGL-sorority, unless we have absolute proof otherwise. (That is why I refered to Baird's Manual. The early editions seemed to be very comprehensive in terms of the origins and aspects of all known GLOs in the US at the time of the publishing date, i.e, 1933 and earlier editions.) People like to think that APhiA was the first HBGL-fraternity, but like I said, I think Sigma Pi Phi (Boule') was founded a few years before 1906 (I could be wrong) and they are not part of the NPHC, yet they were / are considered a Black fraternity. I was just acknowledging too that there are HBGLOs that exist outside the NPHC that may or not have been influenced by the members of the NPHC. Just trying to be a little philosophical......

It's just that I never saw the NPC shirts as being the way you described. I guess I was never influenced by them. But, given your perspective, I can see how you may feel about them. That is why I said 'food for thought'. You gave me a different way of thinking about them.

ETA: I'm always amazed at how deep people read into what I say. Really, it's not that deep. Trust me. I read 'MAD' magazine. I've never gotten deeper than that.

Not that I have to explain my signature but since it is the "hot topic" of today.

Genesis to me was simply another way of saying 1st. I can go and change it and make it say Alpha Kappa Alpha the 1st of all Black College Greek Sororities (but I'm not).
And like I mentioned earlier it comes from a chant....besides until proven we were the first.

No need to go and do that. :) And you (AKA) probably are the first HBGL-sorority. I was just extending an *idea* of a possibility. I was not trying to imply fact, unless of course it can be proven. :p

It's just that the very early editions of Baird's Manual of Greek Letter Organizations cataloged what was suppose to be all of the known GLOs at the time of publishing, such as the 1933 edition and so forth. If I have time to get over to a library this weekend I'll look up the info on the HBGLOs in Baird's. Hopefully the early edition copies are still on the shelf.

:confused: .................

*So OPEN and BLATANTLY putting on pink and green cape*

Soror, WE (AKA) are ALWAYS a hot topic. Folks are jocking your siggy so hard that they are making up theories trying to change history and isht. LOL.

Hmmmm. Still trying to see the comparison of Country Gurl's siggy to the SGRho's shirt. Is saying you are the first of something a diss to the others? I think not. Were the use of the other orgs' color done respectfully? I think so. Did the siggy involve the misuse of the other orgs' symbols. No not at all.

So all I can say is RLH.

.....;)........

No more than asking why would someone want to join the other three orgs over SGR (the implied message).

The use of the colors of the other orgs were done respectfully in that for each org, the correct colors were used. And I might add, the orgs were listed in the order of each being founded.

Neither did the shirt involve the misuse of the other org's symbols. They were printed on the back of the shirt as it would be if the shirt was a greek unity / pan-hel shirt.

The diss in the shirt is because of the statement at the bottom which implies why join the other groups when you have another choice. If you don't want people to realize that there is another choice other than your org, then yeah, you may feel dissed.

The siggy can imply that the other three org's existance came from AKA. Which, yes, it may not be a diss, but as for me and my org, I feel that the implication is incorrect because SGR was not born out of AKA. DST was. So for me, AKA is not the 'genesis' of SGR. I could feel dissed by the siggy, but I don't. I know what the siggy is saying - AKA was the first historically and the others followed. I get that.


You all are reading the shirt as a diss, which it kinda is. I could interpret the siggy as a diss because to me it is impling something that is not entirely true from my standpoint.

All my comparison was about was that different people can read different things from the same message.

Just like the situation with the other photograph in this thread, the shirt has been brought to the attention of the proper authorities. I know they have dealt with it. We all have people in ALL of our orgs who fall short at one time or another when it comes to representing what we stand for. Let's keep that in mind.

CAN'T WE JUST ALL GET ALONG?!! :D

The bottom line is that we have all made our choices and hopefully made that choice out of true desire to work hard and represent our organization in the most respectful manner. Me personally I just think that it is a waste of time to spend attempting to 'dis' another organization, because in reality you are being disrespectful to your own.

OOPS. Typing too fast made a boo boo in my last sentence. I think it is a waste of time attempting to 'dis' another organization, because in reality you are being disrespectful to your own.:)

.......:confused:

:eek:

LOL...don't trust it, ya'll. It's a setup.

:) ...uh oh...I guess it's a "deep" situation, afterall. :)

That has already been established. That's why I was wondering why some of the SGRhos came in here with their capes on as if it was just about THEM. :)

Someone give this woman a sedative.

LMAO!! See, we're a peaceful chapter. :rolleyes: :D

LMAO! I don't know what you possibly be referring to.;) :D

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS


LOL...don't trust it, ya'll. It's a setup.


LMAO! I don't know what you possibly be referring to.

Senior Moment forgot the word "could".:)

Neither do I DSTCHAOS. When I first came in this thread all I said was that yes, the shirt is not the most pan-hellinic shirt. I think I've been supporting this statement throughout this thread various ways. People still want to 'jump' on the young lady because of the shirt, fine. All I made was one statement (Page 3 of this thread), its others who want to keep it going. The only reason I've kept it going was becasue people keep addressing my statements and I don't mind responding to them.

And how are you reading this as being a set up? For what?

Only if you will share yours. ;)

Why are you attaching yourself to a joke between my Sorors and me?

That'll be my community service for the day.

You are all in the Kool Aid and don't know the flavor. Before you respond READ. What I wrote and DSTCHAOS wrote was a joke between us. We are so not caring about that shirt or SGR right about now.

^^LOL @ your old school saying. But for real sigmadiva, that had nothing to do with you or the subject of the thread. We just kinda hijacked it real quick. :cool:

Surely, you jest. Nice way to try to deflect attention away from your lame soror, though.

Now that is straight and to the point. I like that!!:D

I'll have the mayor of your town send you the key to your city for being so community minded. :D

Really? (No pun intended) Coulda fooled me.....;)

Nope. Not a jest.

Like I responded to LG earlier in this thread, different people will read different things from the same statement. Do I really think the siggy is lame, no, just a slight inaccurate interpretation of the word 'genesis' from my point of view.

No matter what your interpretation of my soror's signature may be, it still has nothing to do with your soror's janky shirt.

First you said that the thread was tired, then you start developing theories and philosophies about who's first and killing brain cells looking for Baird's Manual. What's really good????

( ( SIGMA DIVA ) )

:(

^^^ Something's wrong with this Soror right here. LOL.

I want you to be pan-hellenic and hug her too. Okay?:)

I hate y'all sometimes, LMAO! :D

If you are attending this year's National Convention, please find and fight your Soror for me please? Thanks. :p :p

Welp, looks like my work here is done!