Lawyer: No DNA Match in Duke Gang Rape Case
Monday, April 10, 2006


DURHAM, N.C. — There is no DNA match between members of Duke University's men's lacrosse team and an exotic dancer who told police she was raped at a team party, attorneys for the team said Monday.

"No DNA material from any young man was present on the body of this complaining woman," said Raleigh attorney Wade Smith.

Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party.

No charged have been filed in the case. The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at nearby North Carolina Central University, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her.

Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators. Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested.

District Attorney Mike Nifong stopped speaking with reporters last week after initially talking openly about the case, including stating publicly that he was confident a crime occurred. He went on to say he will have other evidence to make his case should the DNA analysis prove inconclusive or fail to match a member of the team.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191232,00.html

Just as I suspected--this chick most likely made the whole thing up
 

I refrained from posting here sooner because I wanted to give the "victim" as much benefit of a doubt as circumstances could muster, but seeing how much evidence has been being presented making the "victim" more suspect then the actual suspects themselves, my worst fears are slowly but surely being confirmed:

This chick got the bruises and injuries by some other means and conveniently decided to make the Duke lacrosse team the scapegoats. Reminds me of the novel/TV movie "Blood and Orchids".

Gosh-dangit, I am so sick and tired of reading news stories of women who claimed they have been raped, but it turned out to be an intentional perpetrated lie by the victim to either save face with their "reputation" or out of pure spite for one or more individuals. It has truly shocked me to see how many men have been falsely imprisoned and/or exonerated stemming from rape charges due to DNA evidence and/or confession from a key witness/victim because the "victim" had a f[rea]kin' axe to grind with someone and didn't give two snots who's lives they ruined in the process.

Sheesh, this is as bad as the days of slavery--the whole black man/white woman rape accusations.

If this chick is confirmed to be lying, I hope they put that lying, no good skank so far under the goshdang jail she won't remember her own name. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Tip: rent the movie "Pretty Persuasions" and you will see a prime example of how lies like this can go down.

Uh-huh. :(

This still doesn't prove that nothing happened. They could have used condoms. The results of her medical exam (rape exam) have not be released if I am correct. So it's not as open & shut as it appears.:confused:

I don't like the way she was referred to as a "complaining woman".

:( Man I sincerely hope that she isn't lying...rape is a SERIOUS charge and that's something no one should be falsely accused of. All of this caused racial tension on that campus, all of those people holding rallies in her defense, man I hope it wasn't for nothing :(

For some reason (and GC lawyers, correct me), it sounds like some sort of legal/criminal justice terminology, not a slam on her character. :confused:

I thought that might've been it after I posted, but it bothered me for some reason regardless.

Kind of like calling the Katrina victims "refugees" bothered many of us.

I've only had a little bit of law school one semester LOL but that term "complaining woman" didn't bode too well with me either, as if it doesn't legitamize her allegation somehow. DNA is not conclusive, and can be shown in most criminal cases to be in error, besides I would have had the evidence tested elsewhere in another state-smacks too much of privileged money tampering with the evidence and buying off folks in that town!

just a few wonderings....
 

I wonder why this woman would lie? What does she have to "save face" on? Regardless if she would have accused the Duke LaCrosse team of rape or Jim Bob, the manager of the local Piggly Wiggly, the mere fact that she is a stripper/escort would immediately errase any innocense. As much as we all may not want to admit it, her occupation will shed a negative light on her. I'm sure she knew this herself.

So if she did lie, I wonder why? What was there to gain?

I think that she is referred to as the "complaining" woman since she made a complaint. That's how I read it.

Having flashbacks of the Anita Hill case, why are Black women's and or White women's allegations somehow not plausible when up against a Man be he Black or White-ie Koby Bryant etc. when will this he said she said- mud slinging cease and why is it so sensationalized in the media-shouldn't we be concerned about Bush and Iraq!

And the hits just keep on coming...
 

The stripper didn't even have sex with the men!

OMG, if this was a game of Hangman, this "victim" would be in the gallows ready to have the floor drop beneath her at this point, which will happen once the DA drops the charges, which IMHO is imminent.

That lying skank is really pissing me awf right about now :mad: :mad: :mad:

DNA Tests Clear Duke Lacrosse Players In Rape Case

OK, you got me, ladylike. I should have said:

You don't miss a beat, do you, ladylike ;)

^^showing that you already had your mind made up.

Please keep in mind that, as stated before, DNA evidence of sex and sexual assault is often not there. There have been rape cases in which defendants admitted rape and there was no biological evidence on the body. Bottom line, no one who wasn't there can say who's lying about what.

I pray such a situation never happens to a woman you love, causing her to be called a "lying skank" by those speculating.

I agree. This is not an open and shut case because the DA himself stated that a rape occurred due to her injuries so it was not made up the question is was it the team or guests of the team at the party and she assumed they were players? :confused:

Well said.

This is a good point. Aren't they testing the men against semen found in her body. How can the defense attorneys say no sex act occurred? If not, then what are they comparing the men's DNA to? Also, I would greatly refrain from calling her a complete liar or fraud yet. I don't know what happened, but assuming that a rape was committed (as stated by the DA), then her story still may hold true. All that she originally said was that she was raped and beaten by 3 men at the party. It was our assumption that this was a member of the team b/c it was their party, but this may not necessarily be true. I certainly hope that she was not lying, though, as this is a very serious accusation that should not be tossed out lightly.

On a side note: RM, I thought that you were leaving the message boards alone b/c they were holding you back. What happened?

My thoughts exactly! They should have sent the evidence out to the Federal lab or another state. Too much possible Alumni involvement.

On another point, how would the victim tell one white guy from another? There could have been other white men present besides the Lacrosse players.

[hijack]I never said anything of the sort. Can you show me the post(s) I made on GreekChat supporting this assertion? Thanks. [/hijack]

On topic: This is gonna be a busy week for the DA and the defense attorneys. Let's watch and see how it develops.

The proper term they should have used is Complainant. It's another way of saying plaintiff, accuser, petitioner, etc.

I'm really hope they re-test the DNA samples.

No you stated on Greek Peeps that you felt that your cyber fighting had held you back. While you do have less than controversial relationships on this board, they aren't exactly happy either. I just thought that the same principle would apply. If that's not the case, then that's fine. No need to play dumb though.

Without going into a lengthy spiel, what I posted on GP stays in GP and what I post on GC stays on GC. I do not cross-post issues I may have from one forum to another. So essentially your assertion is totally irrevelant to my activities here. That is why I asked you to to present something that I posted in GreekChat supporting this.

Please PM me if you have any other issues with this.

Now back to the topic at hand (Mods, sorry for the hijack--you can delete this if you wish).

It was a question (and whether you know it or not, not a malicious one), not an assertion. However, I foolishly assumed that you'd just answer it like a normal human being instead of like the ass that you seem hell-bent on prooving yourself to be.

Mods, I also apologize. I had no idea that this would carry this far.

:rolleyes:

Anyways, in other news going on this afternoon.....

When is the DA going to issue his statement dropping the charges so we can put this issue to rest once and for all, because for what it's worth, this victim's credibility is cracking and crumbling like crazy? (how's that for alliteration?)

You and me both cuz something aint right.

Right, I was thinking the same thing and you are right they should have sent the DNA out to be tested. There is too much room for partiality.

After attorneys for Duke University lacrosse players insisted that DNA results.......
 

check out this site for updated info. All tests are NOT CONCLUSIVE. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041101942.html


Quote from the Washington Post:"Too many people are blaming the victim," said Shawn Cunningham, 34, a former Charlotte banker studying political science at NCCU. "Anyone that would take the position that this is her fault, shame on you. The press has disrespected this young lady. You have marginalized my sister to a stripper and an exotic dancer. You don't identify her as a student. You don't identify her as a mother. You don't identify her as a woman."Harris C. Johnson, a historian and NCCU graduate, recounted a case in which a black male was arrested on suspicion of raping a white woman and later released when police realized they had the wrong person."Those lacrosse players met the profile. Why weren't they arrested?" Johnson asked Nifong. "What's the difference? Is it the billion-dollar endowment of Duke, which can buy anything and everyone?"
:mad:

Amen Amen!

It's like they are saying that BECAUSE she is a stripper, she DESERVED what happened to her. Or that because she is a BLACK woman, no WHITE man-especially one priviledged enough to attend the prestigious Duke University-would want to engage in any sexual activity with her.

What a shame...

Yes, I know that seems to be what's been said a lot lately that she deserved it or that she was lying. Couldn't possibly be telling the truth because she is a stripper. If you notice there was very little mention that she was a mother or student, just an alleged victim. :(

Just FYI and speaking for myself only:

My basis for asserting that she is lying has absolutely nothing to do with her profession (though let's be honest; it doesn't help her standing in this case), it has everything to do with her legal priviledge as a woman and the deferential treatment she gets from the law and the government as a result merely on her word alone, irrespective of whether or not it is true.

THAT is what makes me personally suspicious of her and her allegations. Many men have been wrongly imprisoned solely on the word of a scorned woman (with or without the help of a little legal railroading) with no other motive than to be spiteful (and more than a little bit selfish) and that when they cry "Rape", people will immediately come a-running to her side. It's like the little boy who cried "Wolf!"

UNLIKE the little boy who cried wolf, the alleged victim had PHYSICAL marks, which indicated that someone had in fact raped her. Whether it was the 3 white men or not, the DA stated, on record that a rape had in fact occurred by the presentation of her injures. That does not seem like a cry that seems like a reality.

I really hope for all who do not believe something happened to this woman, you never have to experience a similar situation. Its easy to judge when we are on the outside looking in but when the DA states that something in fact happened to this women, there is a problem. If it happend to one of you, and your backgrounds or present issues come into play, would you want justice or to be judged on your past or present choices?:confused: :confused:

...dude, didn't you call her a "lying skank" like two pages ago? I'm trying to follow your logic.

Are you saying she rolled in a party on a group 40 deep simply because her "legal priviledge as a woman and the deferential treatment she gets from the law and the government as a result merely on her word alone" let her know, in advance, she could cry "rape" and get away with it? I'd think she could have found ways to have way more fun at much less risk.

I don't know at this point whether she's been truthful or been lying. Since I wasn't there, I agree with LIL JUICEY's thought, wait and see what the evidence suggests. But I'm not following what you're saying here.

Ditto: TonyB06
:D

But was it necessarily those 3 white men (or any other member of the lacrosse team)? That is the million dollar question.

I'm questioning the DA's true motives behind pursuing this case so aggresively, particularly in light of the timing of this case (hint: he will be up for re-election very soon and this is not the time to be making unnecessary waves).

Both. Sometimes your past and present choices can be very material to the strengths and weaknesses of your case.

Yes, I did, and if she was a 6-figure corporate lawyer in the same situation, I would say the exact same thing.

No, I am saying she is crying rape simply because her legal priviledge....etc, etc. As far as her finding ways to have more fun at much less risk, let's just say with today's women, I learned never to underestimate the lengths they would go to "teach someone a lesson".

The [DNA] evidence already suggested there was no indication that sexual contact occured. What more are you looking for? :confused:

Yes but is it fair and should it be like that?

The [DNA] evidence already suggested there was no indication that sexual contact occured. What more are you looking for? :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]


Do you not read, please understand that 75 out of 80 rapes do not have DNA evidence. You can wear a condom when you rape someone that does not mean you did not rape them. That just meant that you protected yourself and did not leave anything behind to be discovered. If she was not raped then why did they find her finger nails and wallet in the house? There was a struggle. Please educated yourself on the articles attached to the posts. :mad:

So very true. The reality is that no one really knows what took place.

I don't know who you roll with, but you might want to upgrade if you feel what you've described is representative of "today's women."

As to what I'm looking for, right now I'm looking for you to read more closely what I actually said. I said "see what the evidence suggests," I never limited my comment to DNA evidence. The prosecutor suggests he has more than DNA evidence, so let's hear him out.

Again, either she's truthful or she's lying and we'll all know soon enough. ....or we may never know.

peace.