Well said!:)






Empress0105, there is a difference between Social and Service Greek Organizations and there can and is intermingingling among these Greeks.:cool:

I appreciate what You did say about PKA coming to Campus, but Howard is not the first HBC to have other than D9( Organizations) on Campus. The Newest one LXA, before Howard is N C A & T. THere were others before us also. I think, TKE and SPi.

First, no one has any right to disrespect anyone, greek or not. Now here comes the big BUT............

I do understand the animosity towards non-D9s using hand sign / calls / line names and numbers. (I'm not saying it is right, I'm just saying I understand.) Presumably (?sp), these traditions started within the D9 (exactly which D9 did what first is always up for debate a la' which D9 frat stepped with canes first, KAY or PBS....), so to have the hand signs / line names and numbers usurped by non-D9s feels like the non-D9s are stealing our (D9) tradtions. The thought is like 'Hey, if you wanted to do hand signs, line names / numbers and do calls, why didn't you join a D9?' AFAIK, these D9 'traditions' are common and consistent among all D9 chapters (at HBCUs, PWIs, grad and undergrad chapters), unlike GSS or TBS, where at a PWI, they may not do the hand signs / line names and numbers and etc. just because it is not common among Whites. (Again, not to offend, just trying to offer a perspective on the situation)

Excuse Me, but D9s are not the only ones that use hand signs or maybe some of the other things You listed, but maybe under different names.

Are D9 Greeks that so different from other non D9 Greeks? Dont actually think so!

Maybe in their own minds.

I never said we (D9) were the only ones, I just implied that we were (probably) the first to do them, then everyone else just copied.


Well, yes, D9 greeks are so different, and not just in our minds. Afterall, many imitate *us*.

On a totally unrelated note...I didn't know Horace Grant was a Pike.

Irving Friddle
 

I did not know that either, but he used a hand sign, likely copied.

Good point. I never thought of it like that.

Actually I've heard this perspective many times as a Gamma Sig, and to a point I understand--but I wonder sometimes if any of the behavior that Empress talked about would stop if we had that type of consistency across the board. Probably not, and I say that just due to other details about Gamma Sig that some Greeks don't agree with. But this isn't about GSS, this is about Pike...:p

Just like any other new org, these guys felt that the organizations at Howard weren't for them, so they found an organization that DID fit them--it just wasn't any of the orgs established at HU already. Is it going to be easy for them? No,
but if they want to see their chapter work, they know what they need to do to make it work. If not, they'll falter and close. It is just that simple to me.

If they joined Pike for the right reasons, it really won't matter what the rest of the HU community is saying. They need to just do what they need to do, and do it well. Actions speak much louder than words. It was the same thing I told my GSS sisters at HU when they were just beginning as well. It was very hard for them too, but they did everything to the best of their ability and are doing quite well.

I'm sure these guys knew going in that Pike wasn't going to be welcomed with open arms, but were willing to take that chance and I applaud them for their efforts. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Well, I'm in DC right now and will be here throughout the weekend.

If I get a minute, I might be able to swing by Howard and perhaps I can meet the Pikes firsthand.

I'll keep you posted...

People aren't going to let these new PIKES rest. :) They are going to get more visitors than Disneyland. And for what, really?

That pretty much says it all.

Is it Spring break there, are about to be? If so they might not be around.

:D

Giveaway Letters....the Death of the Howard Greek
 

Giveaway Letters....the Death of the Howard Greek
Posted: 4/7/06
Jeron Ravin

For the unaware, the ill-informed and apathetic...for those who treasure African American history, for those intrigued by the narrative of the black bourgeois and, more fittingly, for those who have begun, endured and survived this ritual we refer to as Howard University... December of next year welcomes you. One hundred years of fraternal life, the birth on this campus of Howard University, of what the entire world would now refer to as "The Divine Nine".

Unfortunately, as we approach this milestone I must be the bearer of bad news by claiming confidently that the Divine within this catchy title has withered away.

As a member of Greek life and a child of African American history, I adore Howard. We, as in Howard University, are responsible for every manifested tradition practiced by any Black Greek letter organization within the past 100 years worldwide. With this said, in order to honor tradition justly I must, in love, reflect on its recent downfalls.

I choose not the speak to individuals devoid of any integrity, loyalty and honor, but to the organizations accepting these men and women whom fall nothing short of coon like clowns, fakes and obvious social discards . For several years now I've watched men and women at this esteemed university humble themselves in both decent and comical attempts to be within a selective scene many refer to as Black Greek life.

For those with integrity who fall short of their goal, it is understood that in the pages of the stories of their lives, admittance into this realm wasn't meant to be granted at the Mecca.

Others, those who think that letters, any letters: letters they can buy, beg or coon for, will immediately grant them an admission to being a who's who at Howard University, I honestly and wholeheartedly wish you would stop.

This perspective is directly written to those organizations, whom I will not mention, who repeatedly, year after year, accept individuals who have attempted and shamelessly failed to be a part of another organization.

I ask, is there any integrity and honor within your organization? Do you wish for our peers, fellow scholars of this University, to view your organization as an ongoing bad joke? Wouldn't you rather be a group of men or women behaving as history tells us to be, that is, in the forefront of not only Howard social life, but shared African American suffrage.

Recently, we've allowed an entire organization founded by four white men in Virginia in 1858 to join the likes of the historic organizations who reside here. Most of the members are the throw-aways and the unwanted of the pan-Hellenic council. But hey, to the ladies of the Quad and Annex and men of Drew, they throw great parties right?

I refuse to let this ignorance continue. I expect more. I close with this message for these organizations and for the sake of history, honor and more importantly your founders: select only the men and women who have your organization, the plight of Africans worldwide and a habit and ambition of excellence embedded within their hearts.
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© Copyright 2006 The Hilltop

Oh my mercy. I had the biggest crush on him back when I was in high school and he played for the Bulls.:o

Re: Giveaway Letters....the Death of the Howard Greek
 

I always thought that Pi Kappa Alpha was founded in 1868 (not 1858) by six white men (not four), not really important here I guess but it seems the ignorance continues.

Re: Re: Giveaway Letters....the Death of the Howard Greek
 

Yes, but what do you know as an initiated member, PiKA2001? (/sarcasm)Did you know that your brothers at HU are apparently the throw away members of other orgs as well?And you just give away your letters to anyone who shows interest? :rolleyes:(/sarcasm) It is sad that college communities can't be more accepting of those who seek out something different. Ahh, there's nothing like being malicious and writing articles without truly researching your information, which I might add can be easily found on the PiKA website.

OK, somebody's gotta say it, so I will
 

Jeron, you are full of BS. Heck instead of ending your "editorial" when you said "I refuse to let this ignorance continue", you kept right on spewing nonsense, which proves that you're full of BS right there alone.

I can go on and on, but you aren't worth it, pal. :rolleyes:

Dang, what a pompous, arrogant jackass.

Long live Pike at Howard!

The editorial reminds me of a lot of the sentiment over the "Elite Eight" becoming the "Divine Nine" when Iota joined the NPHC. Same ignorant simple-mindedness...:rolleyes:

you're gonna play it anyway
 

ya god damn hypocrites...whine, cry, play the race card.
Pike is trying to create a broader brotherhood, that's all.
How can you be so myopic, and what is so magic about
Howard? A good school, yes, there are many good ones.
Why not extend your hand in fraternal kindness and welcome
Pi Kappa Alpha? Aren't you ashamed?

I had the HUGEST crush on Horace Grant during his time with the Bulls. And when I found out he had an identical twin that also played ball :eek: ...that was all she wrote. :o

Horace was sexier though, lol. :o :o :D He could ring my bells. :D

SO, Leave them the Hell alone and Let Them either Live or Die!

I agree with Eric Conard on this completly!

Your SH*T is to Out standing and umpressive and non ??????:(

:confused:

I'm saying.

And shut up.

engima_AKA

OF COURSE you agree with Conard. Birds of a feather and all that.

No one here cares what you say in your drunken haze.

Where's your good friend Zippy Zamboni to support you in your ignorance?

LMAO!

Why thank You, You are all class! http://clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion...smiley-027.gif Third but a lot of it.:p

When You have been around, and I mean a while other than just past Your Teen Years, call Us!http://clicksmilies.com/s0105/liebe/love-smiley-001.gif

Apparently this is an example of a classy post.

Thank you for enlightening us, Mr. Earp. You may now get back to selling cancer in a stick.

Wow, way too many smilies.

:(KSigkid

Ah, the broom is flying tonight isnt it!:rolleyes:

WOW, another Great Post by Cannot Understand Normal Thinking Person?

I dont even want to get in to a contest with You as You are far from worth it.

Oh, did I spell everything Spelling Be Queen?:rolleyes:

As Far as selling Tobacco, it is a legal product and I would rather do that than be a sniviling snake in the grass.

You want something from Me that YOu cant get anywhere else?

No, I dont think so. I dont do Snakettes want to be's.

Please place Your snake forked tounge back into Your face!

Or F-Off.:D

A really classy post is when OTW wished Tom Earp to get cancer and die. Really classy.

-Rudey

FYI from HU's paper The Hilltop

Why I Brought Pi Kappa Alpha to Howard

Issue date: 4/12/06 Section: Editorials

T. J. Lewis

In September of 2005, I was entering my last and final undergraduate year at Howard University. My overall experience at Howard, at that point had been one filled with fond memories of lifelong friends and experiences. Still, however, I felt there was more I could do. In that same month, I had been talking to a friend of mine who was from George Washington University, about being a member of his fraternity, Pi Kappa Alpha. The Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity only accepted men who stood for being Scholars, Leaders, Athletes, and Gentlemen. I felt that those pillars were something I could guide my life with.

After a lengthy conversation, he told me I couldn't join at George Washington, because I wasn't a student at GW. After a little research, I found that I could start a colony of Pi Kappa Alpha, if my present school didn't have a chapter. And that is what I did, along with the help of some of my closest friends, who are now my fraternal brothers. We became members of the fraternity because we felt Pi Kappa Alpha was something that could help us better ourselves and our school. Right now, I'm running as a Democratic Candidate for the Maryland House of Delegates District 45. I'm running for a number of reasons, but a major one is because I truly believe that I will do a better job than current delegates in office. The same mentality I had when I decided to run, was the same one that I had when I decided to join Pi Kappa Alpha. I felt I would be a better man, because of the principles that the fraternity was founded on. We, as the newest members of Pi Kappa Alpha, have been granted the same duties started by the six founders of Pi Kappa Alpha on March 1, 1868, and that duty is to simply find the best collegiate men on our respected campus, and make them better men. There are some who think me, along with my fraternal brothers, are wrong for bringing Pi Kappa Alpha to Howard. I must ask why? The reason why we brought another fraternity is because a fraternity brings a sense of brotherhood, pride, and service.

The present fraternities at Howard are ones that are not only some of the greatest in the world, but also its members are some of the best on Howard's campus. Why not add more to the pot? Why not have another great international fraternity, which could create even more great Howard men? Fraternities are founded to assemble men of a certain character to not only excel in their own lives, but help the lives of others. All fraternities were founded on those principles regardless of race, color, religion and creed.

On my last note, I would like to thank those who have supported the brothers of Pi Kappa Alpha thus far, and I would like to extend a hand of tranquility and progression to others we have not had the privilege to work with yet.

As far as I'm concerned, this is all these young men have to worry about. Doing what they feel is best for THEM! Not the other D9 Greeks; not the non-participating people (non HU students) on GC, but THEMSELVES.

Whether or not people like them--they've already established a colony-chapter at Howard. Whether or not people like the fraternity they chose--they already chose it. Whether or not anyone feels like they are breaking down the traditional fiber at Howard is also beyond the point----at the end of the day, what they do, how they do, and why they do what they do is all they have to worry about.

It's about time people get over it---and people get over people not getting over it as well.

enigma_AKA

I still have questions: Why his senior year? Had he or others seriously looked at or applied to the other 'great' fraternities at Howard? Its interesting that he is running for political office and can now list his fraternity affiliation, isn't it? Does he think that being a Pike will help more than being an Alpha or an Omega?...

I guess people have to understand that as a Howard student who KNOWS members of this PIKE colony, they are getting hated on so bad because a lot of them joined PIKE out of impatience for the return of Kappa Alpha Psi... I mean. its common knowledge. I think its a crime to pledge (or join) something because you are too lazy to go grad, and you want letters right then... and their president just wanted to leave his mark on Howard and he did just that... I know many people who are in PKA that love it, and are in it for the right reasons, but they are not among the colonials at Howard. HU isn't the place for PIKE (HONESTLY), and its unfortunate. PIKE is social/service (from my understanding.. correct any ignorance), so since they want to be PIKE so bad and feel that PKA represents them better than any other org, they shouldn't try to be D9... simple...

p.s. the general sentiment @ HU is the hope that this will be the first... and last time we see a "pledge class" for pike...

Evidently it's not the place for them except they did real well and got a lot of guys. That makes sense.

-Rudey

good point.

im here
 

Not that it needs to be discussed further, but a good friend of mine( not greek) had pointed out to me the reaction of my Hilltop perspective on this particular mb. I dont really entertain mbs, but I felt post Howard this may be helpful.

"Jeron, you are full of BS. Heck instead of ending your "editorial" when you said "I refuse to let this ignorance continue", you kept right on spewing nonsense, which proves that you're full of BS right there alone.

I can go on and on, but you aren't worth it, pal.

Dang, what a pompous, arrogant jackass.

Long live Pike at Howard!"


To address the simple minded, the article wasnt about pikes although the majority are those who have failed dishonorably to join the nphc...which is why they were mentioned. I can easily explain the reason in which the article was written and who it was written for( although it states it in the article).

J.L.