Saetex's new screenname?

I couldn't agree more with David Alan Coe. It seems today that greek organizations across the nation have been brainwashed into this new aged everyone is the same everyone is equal propaganda that is being spread by our liberal media. This politically correct way of acknowledging pledges is rediculous. The sad thing is this liberal nonsense is beginning to infest the once prestigious fraternities of the southeast. From Ole Miss to Virginia, national hedquarters are slamming once prominent chapters with quotas and stipulations that tarnish the prestige reputaions these great institutions once had. Today it seems like a numbers game. Every national chapter wants numbers, it seems the quality of memebers has taken the backseat to the goal of the national fraternity's 5,000 "new members" for the year 2006. It was once an honor to pledge a fraternity and earn the respect of the current brothers, it gave you a sense of pride that noone else could ever experience. However, now it seems that joining a fraternity is just something you do. Everyday I see kids wearing my letters that I wouldn't give the time of day to and its beginning to take its toll on the pride I once had for my great organization. Its time to take our stand so that chivilary and true brotherhood does not die out.

Finally, some sense on this board.

I think you guys are looking at it from just a fraternity perspective. Quotas and numbers pressure have been going on for sororities for a long time. And that's in every region of the country.

Welcome to our world boys! :)

Perhaps true. While I love sororities, I certainly don't wanna become one.

Isnt everything PC now?:rolleyes:

I don't think this has to do with being liberal. I'm as liberal as it gets, and I think doing away with terms like "rush" and "pledge" is stupid. It's the result of people trying to ass kiss and appease those who speak badly of greeks (which isn't liberal, in my opinion).

Why should we give a rat's ass what people who don't like us/our organizations/our traditions think? If they think rush = hazing, why should I care?

I agree, its not really liberal. However, I think what that person was probably saying was that it is just another sign of the overwhelming attempt at being PC in our culture. While not really a liberal issue, it tends to be liberals pushing this sort of thing, in my experience.

"RUSH!"

There! Now I've done it. I've used a four-letter word on GC.

This isn't really a greek thing, it's a societal thing. Terms change. Anybody remember George Carlin's monologue about "shell shocked" and "Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome", etc? After each war there is a different term. We've gone from junior high to middle school, from managers to team leaders, from Presidents and Vice Presidents of corporations to CEOs, COOs, CFOs, etc. It's not that big a deal. We went from calling the members at the colleges and universities "undergrads" to "collegians". Times change, terms change.

Personally, I had no clue what the word Rush meant prior to hanging out with fraternity guys in college. Recruitment though, I understand (even though it sounds like the military to me). We recruit new employees at work, we recruit new members into our chapters, we recruit new people into the military, we recruit volunteers for the hospital.. it's a term people know. Perhaps everybody in the South knows the term Rush, but up here, it's like "What's that?" I don't think Rush has a negative connotation, I think people who aren't familiar with the Greek system prior to arriving to college simply don't know what it is. Recruitment doesn't mean it isn't selective, because the military is very selective, as are employers who both "recruit" all the time.

Whether people like it or not, our organizations are businesses. If they don't pull in enough money and members to function, then the business will go bankrupt and cease to exist. This is a reality. We're not a garden club, we're a business and we need to function as one at the Inter/National level.

Please shut the hell up. You are an embarassment to us Southerners.

not at all surprised...
 

that you may be a Hillary fan. That makes you an embarrassment
to America

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Why am I not surprised that you are taking up for a bigot? MAYBE BECAUSE YOU ARE ONE.

I WOULD SAY CRAWL BACK TO THE ROCK YOU CAME FROM BUT SINCE YOU HAVE NO LEGS THAT WOULD BE HARD.

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what a horrible thing to say....

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Oh honey, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait 'till the bullies roll their collective sleeves up...

I think sometimes, names just change. Some Canadian universities used to use call first year students freshmen (guys) and freshettes (girls). We tend to use "frosh" now (or at least we did when I was an undergrad).

No he's not a disgrace to the south. He is absolutely correct in his statements about the directions most GLO's are going. I'd really like to know how he makes "you" southerners look bad. What part of the south are you from, Maryland?

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Thanks. If that's the response I get for giving Erik some of his own medicine, then I gladly welcome it. You see, Erik likes to pick on people. He thinks because he is old that he can say anything he wants to without repercussions. I find racist comments and personal insults to be revolting. But, that's the way Erik likes to play. SO, I gladly went there. And would do it again.

Tennessee and I went to Ole Miss. And, when someone makes statements like he previously has to some A-A posters, such as, "People like you clean my house," I find them to be revolting. THAT is disgraceful. And, if you are willing to stand up for someone that makes such openly racist comments, then that's really sad for you.

That may be true, but you're doing a great job of making yourself look like the bitch here.

So be it. I have been called worse. And, being called a bitch is nothing new on GC.

Oh dahling, if it's not her then I'm sure it would have been me. :p

I kept quiet for too long...but I just wanted to add that, off all people, those with no legs should not be throwing out "lizard" comments. That is all. :)

Swell, just really swell!:o

Really got us a long way down the long road hasnt it?:confused:

Let's pretend, just for a moment, that Tippie really was from Tennessee and went to Ole Miss. In the event that this was true, she would have atleast a moderate understanding of how Northern culture and idealism as a whole taint the entire concept of becoming a member of a fratenity or a sorority. Rooted in tradition, morals, and Christian beliefs is the premise for most, if not all, of the top tier fraternities. Yankees, and their terrible cohorts in crime, yankee sympathizers, have purged their souls of all the necessary liberal propaganda to metamorphose fraternities to fit their ever-evolving love of trends and fads. Boat shoes, seersucker, scotch, and sailing are traditions. Jncos, Airwalks, hair gel, and peircings are fads...So long as the far left embraces abortion, homosexuality, racial quotas, and Hollister (all equally awful in my opinion) then they have no business setting foot inside the arena of Greek life.

Did anyone else feel their IQ drop by reading this thread?

Listen, I'm pretty far right and even I take issue with the "embracing abortion" comment.

Nobody's really FOR abortion. That's why the movement doesn't call itself "pro-abortion." I think those who are for it simply believe it's an acceptable measure to take when there aren't any options left. Cause let's face it - any way you slice it, it's a rough & expensive procedure. There aren't women out there getting knocked up for the fun of spending a couple hundred bucks and a whole day at the local Planned Parenthood.

Call me crazy, the issue at hand isn't the accpetance of taking the lives of innocent fetuses, as tragic, horrific, and New Jersey-an as it is. Northern people have infiltrated the minds of far too many good-hearted and right-minded people in America, and their loathing of all things decent has crossed into the realm of Greek life, and I find it appauling.

Why don't you just scamper off to the clearning in the woods you came from and have yourself a good old-fashioned hoedown?

Any REAL southerner would never be as tacky as this blithering idiot is.

OK, well, I'm calling you crazy.

(1) I think it's always a mistake to revert to emotionally charged statements when you're attempting logical debate.

(2) Probably coining the phrase "New Jersey-an" as a deragatory term isn't going to send the conversation in the direction you want it to go.

(3) If you ARE going to make those arguments, and you want to maintain what I'm guessing is your attempt at an elite tone, you should totally make sure you run the post through spellcheck first. Most people will forgive the odd spelling/grammar mistake, but making one when you're talking about how stupid/trashy/etc. someone else is pretty much counts as an invitation for ridicule.




That said, you have an interesting argument, which is basically that Greek life (while refined in the North - a lot of very good groups were formed in NY, for example) has suffered from the amount of attention it's received nationwide - and its being pushed at schools farther north.

From what I can tell, you're trying to say that Southern culture (overall) continues to be substancially different from Northern (or Midwestern, etc.) culture, and that Southern culture is more suited towards the ideals of Greek life that were more or less cemented in during the arguable heyday of Greek life in the 40s/50s.

It's an interesting argument, and I'd love to see a thread on it. But you're really swinging at it like a blind kid at a pinata.

I think his point is correct in part. Many good fraternities were founded in the south, and many of the nations best chapters are there. Southern life for women best coincides with "traditional" sorority culture, as it does for men. While I'm not limiting the decline of greek life to the north, it does flourish there it seems. I attribute the decline to the PC forced upon fraternities by Universities and National GLO's. The idea that GLO's HAVE to be diverse, that pledges should not be made to feel "inferior", are both reasons greek life is not as quality as it once was. Pledges should feel in a way inferior, as they are the ones attempting to EARN their way into the organization (that is a pledge's job, to earn his way in). Also, as to another example, I know several fraternities have replaced "christian" in their ideals, creeds, etc...with "religious." My fraternity was founded on Christian ideals, and I would much prefer that stay the same.

Shinerbock raises another excellent issue. Earning one's way into an organization, whether it is Greek or not, takes time and dedication. The pledge process embodies these ideals, and forces young men to adhere to a structured routine. I'm not big on the idea of hazing girls, or the like because sororities have not ever had the tradition of doing so. Their traditions are rooted elsewhere.

And Phi Mu...."substantially."

Oh, sorry, Dave - I didn't correct your spelling & grammar mistakes. Remind me next time and I'll get on that for ya.

All GLOs no matter where or when they were Founded, were founded with certain ideals in mind.

Isnt that why there more than one in each catagory?

With the embodiment of these ideals, all Chapters are required to follow them. Whether they do is entirely diffent. If they choose not to, then that is when they get into problems.

This thread started out chatting about language, and has turned into a North/South Abortion Rights thing with a lot of unwarranted name calling.

It's closed.