Bums don't need cellphones to be contacted. If you have a cellular phone then you have to have an adress. A house line is a lot cheaper. The ones with cellphones have to be staying somewhere unless they keep stealing people's phones and using them till they get shut off. As for poor people....it's cheaper to have the very basic house line than it is to have a cell phone.

As for the hard working poor families...I never said they should go to jail. But if there were some sort of penalty for being poor they'd find a way to do more. They'd make something happen. This is America. This is the best country in the world as far as opportunity goes. If you're not making it in this country....go to Niger right now and watch those people eat rats for food because of them starving. Give those people over there the chance to come here and make something of themselves and they will. Fact is the poor people here are lazy. They look for handouts. You may say, "well, some single mothers have several mouths to feed"......then they shouldnt be having kids they can't support. Either that or give their kid up for adoption to a family that can support it. If there was a penalty for these mothers who pop out babies they can't support you can bet your ass we wouldn't have that problem anymore.

Something to ponder.....

If we took all the money in the U.S. and distributed it evenly to all the people in the country, within time you'd have the same problem all over again. The same families who were poor before would be poor again and the same families who were wealthy would be wealthy again. Why? Because of ethics.

Your so wrong. SO WRONG. Spend sometime with some of the families in the poorer section of town and youll find people who have never had the opportunity. My uncle never had the chance to go to the college. He worked his ass off for his kids can go to college. All his life he has dedicated himself to succeeding the best he could. Right now they are living pay check to pay check stuggling, not because they are lazy. God know, they are not lazy.


Now on the otherhand. My parents and I are rather lazy and well, we are squeezing pennies out of our butt cheeks... so its all depends on the cards you are dealt.

Hey, I like you! :D

I hate to quote you again...but I had something to say on this.


Let's say we're looking at this as a frat of the human race. Ok, fine. If someone is dilligently trying and consistantly gets knocked down then we lend a helping hand, and if they keep screwing up you make them try something different until something works. Unfortunately that isnt the case in what we've been talking about. If someone is just a sorry dumbass, you kick his ass and embaress him till it pisses them off enough to the point where they actually do something to change. You don't baby people. If you keep giving a child what they want everytime they cried then you'd wind up with a kid who looks for handout everytime something doesnt go his way. If someone in my chapter did something dumb, they got their ass beat or were fucked with so bad they changed. Thats called making someone a man.

As far as spending time with poor people....this was from page 4 of this thread:


Your uncle never had the chance to go to college and so he worked his ass off for his children to go and is thus living pay check to pay check. Ok, Fine. Thats what he wanted to do. He chose to spend all of his money on his children's education because he never had one. But you know what? He could have invested that money in a business of his own to make a better life for himself and his family. He was a dumbass. Its his own fault if he's bitching about living pay check to pay check. If he didnt make enough money to put his kids through college and not live paycheck to paycheck then he should have made them find a way to come up with the money themselves or make them wait till he could afford it.

I'm going to give you an example of how things SHOULD be done in regards to your uncle.

My great-great-grandfather didnt have a college education. He was a farmer who had some land. Eventually he accumulated enough money to where he enabled my great-grandfather to buy more land and plant pine trees. Through that he made money. Over his life he bought more land and did the same thing. By the time my grandfather was old enough to go to school he had enough money to put him through college and law school (and being a lawyer in those days didnt get you much money-but he saw something in its future). My grandfather continued to do the same thing as those before him and bought more land as well as being a lawyer. By the time my father came around to age he sent him to college and law school as well. By this time my family accumulated a lot of money and an assload of land in north and south central florida and to this day we still plant pine trees and buy land and sell it off for good money on top of our professions.

The point of this story is to show you how things ought to be done inorder to get your family ahead in life. It doesnt come easy nor over night. But doing what your uncle did is just plain stupid if you can even afford to pay your bills or you live week to week.

Cashmoney

but jesus christ, not everyone the farmland to start off with... i mean, some people literally have nothing to work from and there pay check goes straight into them being able to live from day to day. Poverty is not a choice! It really it isnt.

I thought you might say something like this.


If you want to go back further on down the line past my great-great-grandfather it was much worse. My family didnt have anything. Originally my family on my father's side way on down the line came here to start a new life well before independence was even thought of. They worked land in North Florida near Tallahasse and what is today South Georgia that was leased to them by Spain in the mid 1600s in exchange for a majority of their crops. And it continued that way until Florida was bought from the Spanish in 1821. When Spain ceded Florida to the U.S. my family was given the land they had worked for generations as an attempt to establish white dominace over the remaing spanish settlers (what little there were) and african americans here (1/2 of the 56,000 people in Florida at that time were african americans). Keep in mind Florida still hadn't gained statehood yet. As time went on we accumulated more land and little wealth up until my great-great-grandfather which is when things turned around. The rest of the story was already told in a few posts up.

So yea, poverty is a choice. You can't help being born in it but you can do what it takes to get out of it.

Cashmoney

wow - you have a skewed perception of life. You can't blame the poor for not having the foresight that your grandfather or whomever happened to have had. He got some breaks it sounds like, but to be honest I'm not going to thoroughly read through your story of 'look we didn't always have money.' It sounds like he was never in a position of worrying about where his next meal was or dealing with the prejudices the poor endure these days.

yeah.....doesn't work that way

It was quite the contrary, they just didnt eat sometimes. At least these days you can go to a shelter and at least get a meal. Back then what they grew as food went to Spain as rent moreless. Thats the reason why they went along with driving the Spanish out of Florida. At least these days if you work at home depot for a living you don't have to give your paycheck to the government and then turn around and almost starve. Back then they didnt have fertilizers and the soil in Florida, if you don't know, is actually sand...not exactly the dirt thats ideal for growing. They had a quota to meet for Spain's demands and if they didnt meet it they would have been kicked out. A lot of times they didnt eat much anything if they didnt go out and kill a bear or deer or catch fish.

I don't see how in the hell you can justify the poor's position these days in this country. Go back to the 1920's and see what conditions the people during the depression faced when there was actually no work at all to be found. The problem with today's generations can be summed up in one sentence; we've never really had to seriously lack for anything. Ever since Roosevelt came up with Welfare and people began exploiting it there has since been this attitude of people always looking for a handout if something is not working. God only knows what the system would be like today if not for the introduction of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act (PRWORA) of 1996. The problem has been that the traditional patterns of welfare laid down in the New Deal and Great Society eras of the 1930's and 1960's has since been irrelevant due to people's chosen dependency on the state. Since 1996 the government has been trying to increase personal responsibility for moving out and above poverty while simultaneously encouraging self help via work requirements and time limits for receiving aid. But what most people don't realize is that this dependency on the state has been embeded in the lifestyle of a certain class of people for a long enough period of time, the only way to solve this problem (in my view) is to come up with a solution like the one I mentioned earlier....which is punishing these people by taking away certain privys that the normal American enjoy such as cell phones.

Wow!

I sort of agree with Cashmoney.

My family was POOR growing up. Three kids, no college education and instead of going on welfare my father had three jobs to maintain our family and have a LITTLE left over to save. Over time he worked his ass off and was promoted at his company. But until then it was second hand clothes from the DAV, no cable, cost cutter brand EVERYTHING, and no car for my mom. We grew up in the poor neighborhood where middle class families felt the need to lock their doors when driving in. My mom worked at the daycare so we could go to a decent school- that was the only way. My brothers and I worked our asses off in school from the time we started through high school- my brothers went on to college where they ended up in debt to pay for their school. By the time I started my parents could afford to help me out.
Now they are both successful engineers, my father has worked his way to being one of the top sales people in his company and I have a great job myself.

We CHOSE not to sit back and feel sorry for ourselves. No one helped my parents. No one offered them a hand up and yet they took it UPON THEMSELVES to get off their asses and make their lives better.

And then there is someone like my roomie.She grew up with a lot of money in Florida. She never had to so much as clean her own room. Her dad bought her a new car when she was 16, paid for all of her college, and generally babied her... now she is 25, has had to file for bankruptcy because if she wanted it she thought she HAD to have it but bought everything with credit cards. She can't clean up after herself and she has ONE CLASS left for her degree that she is too lazy to do so she waits tables and makes shit money all the while bitching about her life. How she has put on weight, she has no money and how her stuff isn't as nice as mine. NO SHIT! I worked for my shit.

It is called ethics. If you don't like something about your life, get up off your ass and change it cause no one is going to do it for you... whether it is your weight or financial situation it is up to you to take responsibility.

And as for the guy that said we are the fraternity of the human race, I'd prefer not to rush... why should I work my ass off so some slackass can lay back. If he wants a hand up he needs to get up off his ass, cause I am not leaning down.

That's my $.02

i always that charity was an obligation from birth, always have

Don't misunderstand me on all this. I'm not saying that its wrong to help out poor people. I have no problem at all helping out Gloria from the church pay her bills because she's in a wheelchair and can't work. What I'm not ok with is forking out money to Tameka Washington in the ghetto because she wanted a bigger welfare check every month and had 5 kids. The most I'll do for Tameka is tell her she better pray one of her kids is a rapper or an NBA star because she's not getting squat from me.

roflmao

:D

Anyways......


Bringing this thread back to the matter of OtterXO and her hookers on missonary blvd.....

Do you have any pics of this pacific beach and its party scene?

Not to get off subject, but I really hate being stalked by women on GC with what I call "swim fan syndrome".



-And some people wonder why I'm an asshole at times. :rolleyes:


ETA: And I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about HotDamnImaPhiMu.

haha...I was going to laugh if it was me. You'd have a very odd definition of stalking if you were talking about me. :)

Thats the kind of crap I have to put up with being Cashmoney on GC. I shoot a girl down and next thing I know I'm being stalked online.



Where are the Pacific Beach Hookers when you need them?

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Well maybe you just go to one of those young Amway churches where people try to mix god with networking. Anyone else ever seen one of those places? Its like everyone there seems like they're used car salesmen.

There is one of those in Louisville, but it is a church everyone and their brother goes to so that they can see and be seen to make sure everyone knows they are good little Christians, meanwhile half of them are having affairs with other members of the same church.

It's nicknamed Six Flags over Jesus in Louisville...
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Cash--

Athough you do have some points about folks picking themselves up by their bootstraps and getting up, getting out and getting something. And for some folks, like the retarded, and there are folks who are mentally challenged--and I'm not talking about Down's Syndrome folks--I'm talking about folks that have ADHD, schizophrenia and other undiagnosed illnesses it may be that which stops them from having a motivating lifestyle and jailing them won't make a difference--to them, it's 3 hots and a cot... And yeah, they may have to be Bubba's girlfriend, but it ain't no different from living on the street...

And YES, like the kids in ultra-impoverished countries that sleep on dirt, most of them do not live past 40, if that... And those who DO actually get out to America, and might make it, are actually those who DO have a little something in their country and SOMETIMES, their country helps them achieve what they seek--i.e. Kofi Annan's son, the Islamic Foundation, etc.

Barely few of those folks in the slums in other countries actually "make it" and acheive anything in their country and might not be able to if they run across the border into our country.

And if you have been in the 'hood in Orlando--like yeah, they really have one--okay, Miami has a bonafide 'hood, but Orlando, I just don't buy it--now they might kill a MoFo to rob and steal but to set up a drug syndicate independently and without "connections"--lifting themselves up by their bootstraps in their eyes, I don't think so...

Those folks in the "Orlando" 'hood are really rural country-fied folks set in their ways and haven't changed that much since, since. And with you saying to them "to get off their duffs" might be valid, but there is more to it than that.

Most of those folks cannot work, legally because they are probably felons... Now, they can hang out with the undocumented folks, but for what kind of money? You make more by robbing and stealing... And if you have a felony, really, who's gonna hire you up at Crystal Lake for their chit to get cased?

So, think about the benefits for Ms. Tameka Washington and her nasty assed BeBe kids... The baby's daddies are felons and cain't pay for squat. Tameka got pregnant in the first place at 13 'cuz her uncle's cousin's gang member's boy raped her at her grandmama's house. She ain't never had any kind of prenatal care. And to sooth the pain, her girl told her to "hit" some chit, which landed her into another crack house knocked up, again with twins. And where's the parents in this picture? Dad's been left and dead and probably ain't even her daddy' cuz her dumb assed mother plan forgot which guy it was when she got knocked up with Tameka at 14...

And mama decided that she wanted to give her kids a "Merry Christmas" with a piece of a candy cane from the store and got caught for shoplifting so they pounded her ass into jail when Tameka was 5... Which left the 75 year old grandma with cancer and oxygen to took care of her with 10 other "legal over the age of 18 adults" that aren't all that responsible--and you have a jacked up living situation for many a folk...

Hayle, it is easier for Tameka to shake her stuff and get paid at the tittie bar, and turn tricks while she smoke dope than to get a real job and be somebody... What's the benefit? And as far as giving a FCUK about somebody in Africa... EFF that from Tameka's standpoint... How do you tell that to somebody like her???

Once you are able to come up with a VIABLE solution to that issue, then I dare you to present it to ALL of the NPHC greeks because that is EXACTLY what our main programs are geared to fight against...

The Vicious Cycle...

And many of us have been fighting in this war for a very long time... And we are very, very tired, but not all of us have given up yet...

How do you keep on motivated when all they see is chit? My husband says they NEVER have EVER left their surrounding areas for decades. And what they "think" they know--the street--is ALL they know.

It won't change. It will be the same game. That's just the way it it is...

My family goes to that church that Ilovemyglo is talking about. I went there for years. I absolutely love it. Their services are moving and the sermons are insightful. They relate to everyday things will keeping the focus on God.

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@Cashmoney....

you are a mess....that was mean. Maybe she was running late and was in a hurry! You need to think on that one.

O my gosh there is actually a "Six Flags over Memphis" too (among other silly nicknames). It's a huuuge church (like 30,000 members), but I don't know much about it.

Littlebritches is right, some people go there and LOVE LOVE LOVE it and good for them... I know of three families that have had divorces because one of the husbands/wives met another husband/wife at church there and they had affairs. It's crazy. And a lot of business people use it to drum up business and network... they don't really care about what the preacher says or what the message REALLY is- no not every family is like that or every parishoner there, however MANY are. They feel like going to church there gives people a better outlook on them and their business dealings.
It's really sad, but true.

I like that they are bragging about a huge Easter attendance. What church doesn't have a huge Easter attendance?

Uh.....no. :rolleyes:

As for this post, it's so off topic, but cash I will say this--you said instead of punishing rich people with welfare taxes...since when was giving money to those who need it (and the yes, the premise is that they need it) a punishment? I say we just have tighter restriction on who gets welfare and how much. Or we cut that money in half and give a portion to shelters and other agencies that have Joblinks for underprivileged people.

I feel exactly the same way......it's like they're in Amway or something.


ETA: And just to remark on your religion thread, if it wasnt for the catholic church I wouldn't be here today. My family would have been murdered by the Spanish if we werent Catholic when they "cleansed" Florida after its brief British control.

That wont solve anything. You're always going ot have people exploiting the system as long as its there to exploit. There is a class of people out there that would rather ripp off the hardworking american than to have to actually get a job like the rest of us and work for a living.

There will also always be a class of people out there that will try to thwart all progress made by some one trying to make it honestly.

Yup. My bros and I have lived around them for about three years now. Thank God I've moved out.

What do you mean by that?

i cant believe this thread is still going on, lmao

I think he was saying you aren't a man...
yeah, that is it..
he was calling Cashmoney a girlie man.
What are you going to do about it?

sits back in corner, done instigating.... let's get ready to rumble!

He means as long as there are people who work hard, there will always be people mooching off of them. :rolleyes: I hate to say it, but that sounds pretty dang accurate.

I agree. But that doesnt mean we shouldnt punish them for being that way. They COULD change for the better, don't you think?

You can't change people that don't want to change. Unless THEY are willing to change and do the work them selves, they will continue to be the way they are, and no amount of punishment will change that.

Thats not always true. A few examples from history you might reckonize are Peter The Great-Tsar of Russia, Emperor Constantine later known as Constantine The Great or Augustus Caesar, William the Conqueror and Abraham Lincoln. But I believe my favorite example is of Qin Shi Huangdi-China's 1st emperor who united the 6 kingdoms of China against their wills. The Emperor standardized Chinese writing, bureaucracy, scholarship, law, currency, weights and measures. He expanded the Chinese empire, built a capital in Xian, a system of roads, and massive fortifications and palaces. Qin Shi Huangdi (259-210 B.C.) was a cruel ruler who readily killed or banished those who opposed him or his ideas. He is notorious for burning virtually all the books that remained from previous regimes. He even banned scholarly discussions of the past. The people did not want to change and were against it with a passion. The end result of his harsh actions is now one of the most powerful nations on the planet and in my eyes is the closets thing we have to a 2nd superpower.