Again....

"Implicit" versus "explicit."

If the individuals most often fit certain demographics then the betterment of these individuals translates to the betterment of their corresponding community(ties).

Get over it for what? Do we get rid of history courses in this country? Obviously history is as important in this country as the current state of things.

These organizations WERE and they still ARE. Consider if and how all of our organizations would evolve if this was not the case. ;)

Great post!

Thanks for bringing this full circle. :):cool:

Nope.

But, on a national level "historically and predominently non-black" GLOs tend not to focus on charities for health conditions that disproportionately impact blacks.

Not a GLO, but the Junior League is a historically/predominantly white organization and currently issues that many big city leagues are working on impact minorities more than whites.

Therefore, please do not insert non-GLOs into this discussion.


The Junior League is a completely different type of organization altogether and that is like including the Red Cross into this discussion. We get into a much larger issue when you do this and if some of you are unable to see this SMALL point that some of us are making, you'd be even less able to understand a much LARGER one. ;)

Many Junior League members are GLO alumnae.

What is the significance of this?

Well, you did say earlier that historically white GLOs tend not to focus on black issues. The JL, while not a GLO (but has many GLO alumnae) do focus in issues that involve minorities.

So, why would you think to insert a non-GLO into this discussion?

Instead of saying "black issues" I say "service the black community." "Black issues" is a very complicated and misused phrase.

Like I said, many JL members are Greek alumnae and the Leagues DO service minority communities WHICH INCLUDE THE BLACK COMMUNITIES.

You like to pick on me, don't you, DSTCHAOS? You must have issues with non-white women who are members of white organizations.

No problem :D Don't think it is going to help though, I don't think people are going to understand though. But yeah..lol :cool:

:confused:

There are Greek alumnae who attend church, as well. Should we now discuss the role of the church and religion in America?

ETA: I will entertain your JL insertion and say that this goes back to the issue of "implicit" versus "explicit." The JL is EXPLICIT in its diversity of membership and constituency as opposed to an EXPLICIT "acceptance" of diversity of membership but an IMPLICIT (which more often translates to "imaginary") diversity of constituency. ;) In general, it still makes the JL a bad comparison for reasons beyond not being a GLO.

What does your being a non-white member of a certain type of GLO have to do with what you are posting? I don't care who or what you are. So, get the chip off of your shoulder and back away from the vanity mirror for a moment.

They don't want to nor do they want to realize how this discussion fits well into this thread topic. :cool:

Ugh. I'm sorry, but this just irked me and I have to step down from my usual mature self and say what I want to say here.

DSTCHAOS is not "picking on you" I read all of her posts and she doesn't "PICK" on anyone. Just because she chooses to respond in detail to all posts made to her for, obviously, the purpose of bringing to fruition the points she initiates that people more often than not get confused and twisted does not mean she is "PICKING" on people. Now I am sure Chaos is quite capable of taking care of herself, but i had to say that. People need to actually READ what she says because it ALWAYS makes perfect sense and is very logical. The few of us who actually TRY to take the time and discuss these issues with others, i.e. NPC/IFC and whatever other councils are represented in these forums, as well as non-minority people in general who tend to have NO idea where we are coming from with regards to racial issues, are actually dispersing what could be valuable information that YOU ALL could take and improve your obvious lack of understanding of issues that ARE in fact important.

Taualumna, you come on here saying some silly stuff a lot of times, backtracking needlessly over topics and discussions that others had taken a long time to wade through. I have mentioned this to you before. Some of the things you say just boggle my mind. Sorry to be so blunt, but this really irked me. You being an asian woman in a white organization is fine if that is what you chose to do. But I am SICK of reading your condescending posts toward other minorities, attacking things YOU choose not to understand. If you don't subscribe to the opinions of black people with regard to our feelings about our country and our history, FINE. I could care less! You are NOT black, you have NO idea what it feels like and you have NO CLUE about our perspective and why we have the heritage, culture, views, perspectives, goals, ambitions, likes and dislikes that we do. You can have your little viewpoints from your chosen perspective on things from your little town in Canada if you wish, but don't play the dingy role and accuse someone of attacking you just because they opt to respond to the stuff you post and point out the inadequacies of what you say.

Now come on and make your little quirky response to this. I'll check back for it later.

It's really NOT your business!!
 

What is the REAL issue that some people have with Blacks, Asians, Latinos/Latinas or other minorities in "white" sororities and fraternities??! I am Jewish/Black in a "white" sorority. It was MY decision to rush with MY friends who I wanted as MY sisters. My choice to be in my sorority is MY business, no one else's. I , too, get sick of people assuming I'm in a Black sorority when they see me dressed in a certain color or if I say I'm Greek. I don't point fingers and ask why didn't a DST become an AKA instead, or a Zeta, why aren't you a Sigma Gamma Rho, so get out of my business and let me have fun with my lifelong sisters as I let you have fun with yours. And yes, white sororities DO have active alum chapters, and some have AMUMNI INITIATIONS too.

Toronto a "little town"????????

Our population is over 2 million (close to 5 million if you include the surrounding suburbs)

Half the population are immigrants and just about as many are visible minorities.

However, many minorities are also not living in poverty. Many issues that are considered "ethnic"/"race" issues are in fact "class" issues. These include access to health care (okay, so Canadian healthcare is socialized, but this doesn't include dental and meds among other things), education, having a safe place to live, etc...

I couldn't even begin to tell you what the JL does here. I never hear about it.

But in any case that is comparing apples to oranges.

Re: It's really NOT your business!!
 

You are right it is your business. And I don't see anyone saying the opposite. We are all responding to a thread topic with our various positions. So calm down and go have fun with your lifelong sisters. No one here is stopping you.

Oh and thanks for reiterating info we were given earlier in the thread. Like I said before, I learned something new regarding ALUMNI Initiations in GLOs.

O didn't read that. If that's what she said then I didn't see it. All I was agreeing with is that there are Asian stores in Toronto and they are the best place to get the best selection of Asian foods.

I think a few people on this board have misunderstood my grocery store post. It is FACT that Asian stores were really smelly/dirty at one point. The post was not meant to be racist/discriminating against a particular group of cultures. The reason why these stores smell is because of the way raw meats were handled and the fact that many of the stores were family owned and therefore didn't have the large staff to keep the store spick and span. Now, many of the stores are chains, and therefore have the money to hire more staff. That's why they're clean.

back to our regularly scheduled program...

I pick on starang21 and ladygreek. I dislike their usernames so much that I don't even bother reading their posts before I respond with venom. :p

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damn...im missed this thread.

JL isn't a greek org. and this is greekchat. hmmmm....

and stop taking stuff personal. i'm sure she doesn't have anything against you. stop being so sensitive.

but you acknowledge that you're in white organizations....hmmm...do i sense a case of self-hatred?

this person is not representative of asian people.

And yet you keep rising to the bait... seriously - and I mean this in the nicest way possible - LET. IT. GO.

Who is she? I don't even know what "race" she is and what type of organization she's in.

no clue...i really don't know.

My bad...I assume she's Asian b/c you said something about her not representing all Asians. :confused:

she is...but some of the shit she says gets the http://www.kazodiass.com/session/ima...n_confused.gif look.

Re: Re: It's really NOT your business!!
 

You seemed to have completely missed my point, which is obvious by your reply. Perhaps you should go back and read it again. Oh and thanks for your response, it is always good to learn something new...providing you don't get too "testy" about it. :eek: (yikes!)

*proud to be a Junior Leaguer too :p

Re: Re: Re: It's really NOT your business!!
 

Perhaps she thought your post was in reponse to the current dialogue in this thread. If it was a general post aimed at the original topic...okay.

So do some of you want me to apologize for what I've posted?

lol, hell naw.....you would apologize? hmmmm...for what?

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Great post.


<------ I'm white and I get it.


.....Kelly :)

Re: Re: Re: Re: It's really NOT your business!!
 

You get it DST CHAOS, thanks ;)

minority members
 

i just went through a situation dealing with this...i had a lot to think about...im african american and i decided the best fraternity for me was Phi Gamma Delta (FIJI), it was hard dealing with family and friends who thought that i should have joined my fathers fraternity Phi Beta Sigma...but i know that i have made the best decision for myself

Because some people find my posts insulting?

LOL!!! :)

<----I'm black and I get it, too.