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HelloKitty22 03-21-2005 02:54 PM

I totally agree. This is a huge infringement on state's rights. The federal government shouldn't just be able to look at a state's decisions and second guess them. There is no compelling federal purpose or objective. Each state makes their own rules about what constitutes sufficient to remove a person's feeding tube or life support. If the standard should be changed, only the state should be able to do it.

ZTAngel 03-21-2005 09:50 PM

It's a political game to some......
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Schiavo/story?id=600937

AGDee 03-21-2005 11:28 PM

I just read that memo and I am completely flabbergasted, dumbfounded, and shocked.:eek:

kddani 03-22-2005 01:05 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Mar18.html

Chat transcript with a professor that i've worked for and had classes with. Sort of the law of this for dummies. Was disappointed that he didn't give more in depth answers, then I realized that the chat was for the general public, not the legal community. :) More of a joe-dummy asks professor something.

But Professor Frolik is cool as shit and knows his stuff... one of the founders of the field of elder law, which deals a lot with these kinds of issues.

sageofages 03-22-2005 01:43 AM

Implications in marriage law
 
I know proponents claim it won't, but wouldn't bringing this issue into the Federal Court undercut the "state makes its own rules" regarding marriage? Florida says because he is the man she married, he is the one she trusts to make decisions like this for her.

What effect will this have on setting a precident toward a national marriage statute?

(just thinking outloud)

moe.ron 03-22-2005 02:50 AM

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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - The federal law President Bush (website - news - bio) signed to prolong Terri Schiavo's life in Florida appears to conflict with a Texas law he signed as governor, attorneys familiar with the legislation said Monday. The 1999 Advance Directives Act in Texas allows for a patient's surrogate to make end-of-life decisions and spells out how to proceed if a hospital or other health provider disagrees with a decision to maintain or halt life-sustaining treatment.
Link to the Rest of the Article

moe.ron 03-22-2005 04:07 AM

Re: It's a political game to some......
 
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Originally posted by ZTAngel
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Schiavo/story?id=600937
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Teri (sic) Schiavo is subject to an order that her feeding tubes will be disconnected on March 18, 2005 at 1p.m.
They can't even spell her name correctly. It's Terri, not Teri.

moe.ron 03-22-2005 08:51 AM

The Federal Judge refuse to order the tube to be reinstated.
Link to the Article

KSigkid 03-22-2005 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by moe.ron
The Federal Judge refuse to order the tube to be reinstated.
Link to the Article

I'd like to say that hopefully this will end this whole ordeal, and the woman's agony will be ended. With the way this is going though, it seems like it will never end.

Kevin 03-22-2005 11:35 AM

I guess they're going to appeal it on up..

kddani 03-22-2005 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
I guess they're going to appeal it on up..
Cnn just said that the family filed the appeal.

Cnn also just had some woman on who had been one of Terri's nurses making all these outrageous claims about things that happened that there's absolutely no documentation of. The woman seems to be a conspiracy theorist and said that there's been a gag order on everything, blah blah blah. The CNN guy made it a point to mention several times that there was absolutely no evidence to back up anything she was saying. It was kinda funny

BetteDavisEyes 03-22-2005 11:50 AM

They seriously need to just let go. It's getting to be real sad. They should enjoy these final days with her & make their peace instead of trying to keep her alive as a vegetable.

starang21 03-22-2005 02:10 PM

can't they inject her with something?

KSigkid 03-22-2005 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
can't they inject her with something?
To expedite her death? Maybe, but at this point with the parents fighting everything, it would have to be a renegade nurse or doctors doing it in the middle of the night.

Unfortunately I think this is going to keep dragging on. I wish they would just let the hospital remove the tube.

Rudey 03-22-2005 02:15 PM

I just don't understand how someone can talk about religion and want to use a machine to defy nature and G-d.

I'm willing to listen. Someone please just tell me how they could think that.

-Rudey

starang21 03-22-2005 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSigkid
To expedite her death? Maybe, but at this point with the parents fighting everything, it would have to be a renegade nurse or doctors doing it in the middle of the night.

Unfortunately I think this is going to keep dragging on. I wish they would just let the hospital remove the tube.

i understand the parents position...but still, lets be reasonable. starvation....what a horrible way to go.

sageofages 03-22-2005 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
can't they inject her with something?
It amazes me when those who want her to stay connected say "we don't do this to animals or criminals" when they refer to the cruelty of starvation...

I want to yell back "right, and we are compassionate enough to use something to end their misery right away! A shot!"

Sometimes I think the Dutch have their way of handing situations like this right....

KSig RC 03-22-2005 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
i understand the parents position...but still, lets be reasonable. starvation....what a horrible way to go.
Yeah, but honestly, it can't be any worse than the way she was actually living

KSigkid 03-22-2005 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSig RC
Yeah, but honestly, it can't be any worse than the way she was actually living
That's what I'm thinking. I don't think anything can be all that much worse from how things are now.

Also, I wasn't sure, but does the malpractice settlement cover her current medical expenses?

starang21 03-22-2005 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSig RC
Yeah, but honestly, it can't be any worse than the way she was actually living
yea, but it'd be much more merciful to end it easily for her. she's already suffered for going on 15 years.

ZTAngel 03-22-2005 02:57 PM

I think I read somewhere that as soon as they take the feeding tube out, they put her on a morphine drip. That way, if she's aware in kind of way, she won't feel any pain from the hunger or dehydration. I think it's actually a very peaceful way to die.

RUgreek 03-22-2005 03:06 PM

I skimmed through the judge's opinion, and it makes sense all over. The parents wanted an amendment so favorable to them that congress screwed them over with their wording. Because it's a de novo appeal, the judge can't consider trial court evidence. The twist for the parents is that all their allegations of the trial court judge being impartial can't be proven without looking at the trial court's evidence. So they basically their lawyers messed up with the complaint.

Hopefully she'll pass on soon so the parents will give up on this waste of time. But who knows, perhaps congress will pass legislation that makes it unlawful to rule in favor of a defendant, just in this case...:rolleyes:

ztawinthropgirl 03-22-2005 03:12 PM

People in power (i.e. Tom Delay) are saying that letting her die is barbaric and inhumane. I think keeping her in this state is barbaric and inhumane. If our dog was suffering like this, we wouldn't keep letting it suffer. With Congress stepping in, Terri Schiavo is turning into a political instrument for a certain political idealogy (sp?) rather than her as a person that is suffering.

As for the medical malpractice covering her medical expenses, I heard Sunday on CNN that Terri's family (i.e. parents) are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars from Right for Life groups. I am sure that's what is paying for her medical bills, especially, now that one can't file for bankruptcy based on insufficient funds to pay for medical bills. Otherwise, we would have heard that she and her parents would have filed for bankruptcy by now after 15 years if they hadn't received the money from the Right for Life groups and malpractice suit. Her insurance policy probably maxed out a long time ago. I would put money on the fact that the money from the malpractice suit has been spent already.

aggieAXO 03-22-2005 03:43 PM

starvation is a horrible way to go even if on a morphine drip-what a slow death. I watched my grandfather suffer the same fate and if I could have injected him with something to end his life quickly it would not only have made it easier on him but also on his family. Why prolong the inevitable?

As far as religion goes, I would think that these religious freaks would want her to enter her other life so she can be free of her physical jail. After all, isn't heaven the ultimate goal?

RUgreek 03-22-2005 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by ztawinthropgirl
As for the medical malpractice covering her medical expenses, I heard Sunday on CNN that Terri's family (i.e. parents) are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars from Right for Life groups. I am sure that's what is paying for her medical bills, especially, now that one can't file for bankruptcy based on insufficient funds to pay for medical bills. Otherwise, we would have heard that she and her parents would have filed for bankruptcy by now after 15 years if they hadn't received the money from the Right for Life groups and malpractice suit. Her insurance policy probably maxed out a long time ago. I would put money on the fact that the money from the malpractice suit has been spent already.
she's receiving medicaid benefits as well.

HelloKitty22 03-22-2005 04:48 PM

But Terri's parents aren't responsible for her medical bills. Her husband is. The right to life money I assume is being used for the parent's legal case.

NinjaPoodle 03-22-2005 04:57 PM

What if this woman (who really has suffered long enough) died of say, a heart attack or complications due to a massive stroke tomorrow. Then what?

ETA,
I didn't read the entire thread so if someone already mentioned this, sorry.

lifesaver 03-22-2005 05:14 PM

She isnt/wont suffer because the part of her brain that feels pain died along with her emotions, memories, etc.

lifesaver 03-22-2005 05:36 PM

Also, let her go in peace.

The congress is playing with fire here, and are really beginning to look liek extreemists. They complain about activist judges, and they are acting like an activist congress.

BetteDavisEyes 03-22-2005 08:00 PM

All these life activists are morons. Can they honestly look at her & say to themselves, if I become like that, let me stay a vegetable too? Or would they rather be let go to enter the afterlife wherever that may be?

EDIT: Her husband is the one paying the bills. He used the 1.8 million he got in a malpractice settlement to pay the bills. I'm assuming her parents are using their money for the legal case.

cashmoney 03-22-2005 08:26 PM

Haha, this might be ZTAngel's biggest thread ever. :D

DolphinChicaDDD 03-22-2005 11:25 PM

The thing I think is the most ironic about all this is she had the heart attack most likely from imbalence of potassium comming from anorexia.

mmcat 03-22-2005 11:32 PM

it's time for this to end...
If she's alive, show us something.
If not, time for her to go to the light.

IowaStatePhiPsi 03-22-2005 11:40 PM

I really want to see an over-hyped interview with Michael Schiavo's "longtime girlfriend." I think it would be best with Katie Couric, since she was widowed fairly young and tragically. I want her to ask questions like:

* "Are you happy knowing your boyfriend had to kill his wife to marry you?"
* "Didn't it bother you at all that this man was cheating on his hospitalized wife? What do you think he will do if you become ill?"
* "And what are you doing with Terri's settlement money now that it legally belongs to you and Michael?"
* "Do you really think Michael had Terri's best interests in mind?"
* "How are you going to explain to your children that their father had to kill his first wife in order to marry you, X years after the oldest was born?"

I can understanding wanting to kill someone to get them out of the way. I can't understand wanting to be married to someone who killed his wife.

lifesaver 03-23-2005 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
I really want to see an over-hyped interview with Michael Schiavo's "longtime girlfriend." I think it would be best with Katie Couric, since she was widowed fairly young and tragically. I want her to ask questions like:

* "Are you happy knowing your boyfriend had to kill his wife to marry you?"
* "Didn't it bother you at all that this man was cheating on his hospitalized wife? What do you think he will do if you become ill?"
* "And what are you doing with Terri's settlement money now that it legally belongs to you and Michael?"
* "Do you really think Michael had Terri's best interests in mind?"
* "How are you going to explain to your children that their father had to kill his first wife in order to marry you, X years after the oldest was born?"

I can understanding wanting to kill someone to get them out of the way. I can't understand wanting to be married to someone who killed his wife.

Are you on drugs? I think you posted this in the wrong thread. This post relates better to the Amber Frey / Scott Peterson discussion.

DeltAlum 03-23-2005 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lifesaver
This post relates better to the Amber Frey / Scott Peterson discussion.
I knew this stuff sounded like something I'd heard recently.

WCUgirl 03-23-2005 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lifesaver
Are you on drugs? I think you posted this in the wrong thread. This post relates better to the Amber Frey / Scott Peterson discussion.
Well, it's a little extreme, but it makes sense. Terri's husband has a long-time girlfriend w/ whom he's had children.

texas*princess 03-23-2005 01:22 AM

From the article:
Quote:

The 41-year-old Schiavo suffered brain damage in 1990 when her heart temporarily stopped beating because of an eating disorder. In 2001, her parents lost an emergency Supreme Court appeal seeking to keep her feeding tube in place, but more appeals followed.
Does this mean she's been kept alive w/ a feeding tube for the past decade? I've been hearing about this recently, but I'm not really sure how it all started.

I think it's really sad that it looks like her husband wants her dead so he can marry his mistress

sageofages 03-23-2005 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by texas*princess
From the article:


Does this mean she's been kept alive w/ a feeding tube for the past decade? I've been hearing about this recently, but I'm not really sure how it all started.

I think it's really sad that it looks like her husband wants her dead so he can marry his mistress

Yes without the feeding tube, she would have passed 15 years ago when this happened. She can not swallow.

RUgreek 03-23-2005 01:52 AM

You know this argument about Michael's new family has really nothing to do with the medical treatment of Terri. Glad some of you are pissed he decided to move on after she was declared "dead" years ago. Fulfillling his wife's final wishes is all that's delaying this situation. You want to villify the man for continuing to live, fine but I think he is just trying to do the right thing despite his in-laws smear campaign.

And since we are playing dirty politics, why not look into Terri's past relationship with her parents. This disorder of hers developed way before she married Michael. Maybe her family life and home isn't as perfect as you all think. The media is afraid to be equal with its coverage of them because it would just look so insensitive to attack these poor defenseless parents now, wouldn't it?

I don't know any more than what the courts know. No evidence of any wrongdoing on Michael's part and no reason to believe she will recover from this permanent vegetative state. Quit your right-to-life whining and let this woman die with dignity (whatever little is remaining).


RUgreek


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