That's so evil that you've earned my total respect.

The black woman must be a feminist who wore her hair straight. :(

This dude makes Louis Farrakhan look like a rabbi.

I'd even venture to say that he's worse than our favorite greek hating Rev. At least Hatchett only expouses great hate for greeks and not everyone and everything else.

Disclaimer: I hate everything this man, and any other racist stands for.


But...who cares how it would go over if a white person posted what he posted? White people have, they're called the KKK and they have a website. They don't need to come out and say they are against interracial relationships, but everyone knows where they stand, and IRs aren't it.

I'm glad you guys are upset that this racist is out there spewing hatred, but how much of your indignation is about he what is saying, over the fact that he is Black. It's almost like this thread was created to announce to everyone, "Blacks can be RACIST too!!!!"

Is it that some of you think that a Black racist isn't being shunned like a White racist would?

Or does it shock you that you found a Black person that admits they hate you because you're White and isn't trying to hide it?


Phew! I'm done with my rant now....Don't flame me. I'm just peacefully expressing my opinion after reading the thread.



ETA: Grammar...

This thread was created, I believe, b/c this racist crap has no place on GC. And b/c it seems that it's almost accepted. I said the part of what would happen if a white GCer posted the same sort of thing. They'd have people jump all over them, both black and white (and anyone else not falling into those two categories). I don't believe in double standards, sorry.

I don't give a shit if a nutjob like that hates me or not. Hell, he hates everyone, including his own brothers.

ETA: "White people have, they're called the KKK and they have a website. They don't need to come out and say they are against interracial relationships, but everyone knows where they stand, and IRs aren't it"

Ummm... yeah... HUGE generalization and lumping millions of people into one group. Not all white people are members of the KKK. Hell, very few members of the white population of a whole (talking percentage wise) are. KKK is a very small sector of the population.
How the hell do you know what I, as a white woman, am for or against? I don't mean to flame but you're painting some very broad strokes there, maybe you can rephrase.

So let me ask this: would the members of the KKK or likeminded filth be accepted on GC if they posted their beliefs or promoted their website?

-No-

So why is PHA/Shriner1906's equally repelent hate allowed a forum or acceptance?

That is the essence of why I started this thread - to draw attention to what he is... I'd rather that the racists where exposed not ignored... because ignoring the problem won't fix the problem.

Dani, you owe me a Mike's Hard Lemonade for that one...I am not about to lick it off my monitor! You have me CTFU!

I agree. I don't care if the racism is coming from someone who is black, white, green, gay, straight or all of the above. It is sick and F-ed up!
And this is coming from a Black woman who does NOT have blonde hair and does NOT wear her hair straight. My braider is African and she can hook a sistah up, thank you very much! :D

Hmmmm. I really wasn't trying to generalize anyone.

That's good - since you weren't, your entire post was worthless.

The fact that you can compare this guy's views in any analogous way to the KKK just represents how insanely inappropriate his views are, and WHY THEY ARE NOT ACCEPTED HERE.

In no way is this a "blacks can be racist too!!!!" thread, killer - you've missed the boat on that one. This is a "GCers can be racist too" thread - prejudiced or bigoted expression will always be assailed on here, whether it's by whites or blacks. Search up the 'prejudism' thread for an example.

So . . . what's your point, ace?

Not really...this thread was more about a member of the board who is disrespectful, rude and treats other members horribly. It has nothing to do with what race he is.

But maybe I'm the wrong person to ask...after all, according to the poster in question I'm just a "little boy."

It's also kinda funny how so many black GLO members sit quietly as this guy rants (this as opposed to when so many folks had quite a bit to say about Hoosier). When confronted over whether they think he is racist, said persons dodge the answer.

It shows great integrity on this man's part and on the part of his "frats" and "sorors".

-Rudey
--If you don't like this post, please file a complaint with your local IDoNotCare Committee

I'm confused, why are we lumped together and supposed to offer a united front against him? He's a grown ass man. And if members of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. felt he was outta line I'm am VERY sure they would make their feelings known. I'm done.

Who is this collective "We"?

I said "so many". Not all. But so many. I also said that "so many" had also made public remarks on GC about Hoosier but not about this guy.

You're "done"?

Well OK.

-Rudey

This reads as you implying here that he's not out of line, at least in the eyes of the Alpha forum - and your tone indicates, to me, at least a tacit agreement with them (not necessarily with him).

Hey, he can spout ignorant vitriol to his heart's desire - but it's a joke to infer that somehow this is no one's business but his own. I'm not here to impose a nominal "we" onto anyone else, but I'd be ashamed if this site's members just 'looked the other way' here - just as I would if no one spoke up when anyone else, white or black, starts jabbering about other races, ethnicities, or religions.

Just keeping it to the Alpha forum is absolutely not a solution - just as I can't run KKK propaganda in the Chit Chat forum, as long as I keep it localized.

What's even funnier is that a few years ago, someone made a comment in a forum that I was moderating that wasn't even really all that racist or bigoted. A certain moderator who usually stays within his own forum and doesn't really converse outside of it just so happened to view this one post within my forum and threw a FIT over it. This moderator demanded that the post be deleted and basically said that myself and my co-moderator were also racist if we didn't remove the post. I find it hilarious that this said moderator allows this racist to make out-of-line comments within his forum and won't remove the comments (or admonish the poster) but will throw a hissy fit if someone says something that isn't really all that out of line (I'm sorry...don't remember the comment but I remember thinking it wasn't bad...and I think most GCers know I'd be the first to point out when someone says something that is racist) in a specific GLO forum that is rarely frequented by non-members. Hypocrisy is great, kids.

Not at all. I don't particularly care for what he says. After reading some of his posts I realized that he's special and have decided to ignore further postings by him. I'm not going to argue with him or against him because that's not how I like to spend my time on GC. If people find him offensive and feel he should be removed from the this site then can't the moderators do something??

Why don't people just use their heads? There are rules on Greekchat and those threads filled with hateful language are not erased. These moderators act as if the rules do not apply to them. I guess they think this is Kazo or whatever website that was and they can be as "hard" as they want.

And regarding this one individual, many BGLO members have stayed silent but they didn't stay silent for folks like Hoosier. When confronted on this, what do said individuals do? They come back with the "Well what do you expect us to do?"

-Rudey

Oh so he's "special" and you ignore him. That's it?

-Rudey

Pretty much. This site is filled with special people. There's not enough time in the day to deal with all of them. I picked my battles. I use to get all riled up but then I realized...it's over the computer and I can log off.


Anddd...I am not the Black GLO representative. I'm just speaking for myself.

Maybe it's because our opinions don't matter. Especially mine because, after all, I am a "blondie-brat".

That's fine.

Unlike that freak, I don't believe in some cult religion that says that an alien scientist named Yakub created the white man and I don't shame my fraternity like he has. Perhaps this whole discussion arises from that?

BTW, I don't want you to speak for all BGLO members - just you.

-Rudey
--Ten years from now I'll be the next great Black leader (a la Bill Clinton) and I can push this subject more I think.

Without being a member of my organization, I think it presents a problem for outsiders to understand the challenges members face. I have often stated that I don't agree with individual opinions of all my Brothers but I do encourage commentary. Sadly, the case at hand, that being gays in Alpha has caused much internal and external debate. Ultimatley, Alpha has direction from our national office. However, on GC the opinions expressed are the individul views of Brothers. Whatever your thoughts of their personal views are just that.

As a moderator of Alpha Avenue, I want folk to be welcomed. . . welcomed to know opinions may not always be accepted and welcomed to know comments are subject to debate and personal interruption.

Regardless of how you spin it, you are a Moderator on Greekchat.com and have to follow the rules of Greekchat.com

As an Alpha, you can do whatever you want for Alpha within the rules of Alpha, but on Greekchat.com you follow Greekchat.com rules and don't skirt them by using catch phrases like "encouraging commentary".

One would think that the rules of Greekchat.com are so basic that they would not conflict with Alpha Phi Alpha's rules. But if you feel that they do conflict, perhaps John, the site Administrator, needs to find a solution whereby someone else can make sure Greekchat.com rules are followed.

-Rudey

Re: Racial Supremacist on GC
 

It would be ironic if his son came home from college with a white boyfriend instead...

Re: Re: Racial Supremacist on GC
 

shame shame, you haven't read earlier posts in the thread:

Originally posted by kddani
A gay white republican Catholic who had formerly been married to a black woman.

Re: Re: Re: Racial Supremacist on GC
 

LOL, I guess that every state/provience/republic is designed for specific views.

I think most of us are sensible enough to realize that our opinions won't be agreed with or that we will meet resistance to some of our ideas. With so many people from different backgrounds on this board, that is life.

What we have in this situation, in this thread, is a member who has said a number of things that are tremenously offensive and upsetting to other members. Some of his comments include talk of a Jewish-dominated Hollywood, statements relating the Jewish faith with the KKK and making demeaning comments about women. When one brings any sort of opinion differing from his own, he then mocks the poster.

Debate is a good thing...making and offensive comment and refusing to entertain debate is not a good thing.

your point is well taken

And you, friend, are welcomed to euphemize and avoid the issue. Sadly, you have missed the point markedly here - limiting the 'case at hand' to gays in Alpha is a gross underrepresentation of the scope and veracity of comments.

Also, these are, in fact, the opinions of individual brothers - individual brothers who are under a certain level of expectation under the Terms of Service for greekchat.com, as well as a certain level of responsibility to respect other users of the site. You are welcomed to enforce these rules by something other than caprice or a misguided sense of libertarian free speech.

You are also more than welcome to correct any misinterpretation of his views that we've shown here so far. If you cannot, I am forced to believe that his views are NOT subject to misinterpretation, and neither are his personal jabs, and as such . . . not only are his opinions not accepted, they CANNOT be accepted in any sort of intelligent debate and discussion among grown men and women. As one with the responsibility to ensure that intelligent debate and discussion can take place, you are welcomed to do your job at that point.

ETA: Professor, I mean no disrespect or offense to you personally by mirroring your stylistic tendencies - however, I hope you can see the flip side here too in this situation as it quickly grows into a farce.

No, you're a foxy-brownie. :D

LOL. I like that. :)

OMFG!!!!! Thats hilarious.



-break it out, just one more time.

Haha! ;)

and
http://www.eryptick.net/oz2001/colou...ter-011030.jpg

if you blame Christianity for all racism, do you have any other bad -isms caused by other major religions? [exclude the Church of Scientology and the Church of the Almighty Dollar.

does two chickens in one post constitute a cock fight? can i say cock on tv?

Well I was over in "Alpha Avenue" just checking up on what if anything has been done about the tool that inspired this thread.... and was shocked once again to discover other members of Alpha Phi Alpha defending racism (and now even moreso homophobia).

You can read the posts because they haven't been deleted, and you can witness the continued promotion of hate and ignorance by members in the forum - Yes repeated complaints have been made to the moderators about the content and tone of the messages (and in some cases threads).... but so far no action...

With the way it's going the impression being given is no longer tacit acceptance for the racism, homophobia, misogyny, ignorance and hate - but now apparently support. The irony of an orginization founded because of the igonorant prejudice of others defending the same within their own ranks would be comical if it wasn't so repugnant.

So apparently to the discredit of Alpha Phi Alpha's everywhere - the Alpha Phi Alpha forum here on GC has become the proud home of racists, homophobes, misogynists, uneducated trash. To me this is the most disturbing aspect of the issues brought up in this thread and others... I have great respect for Alpha Phi Alpha and what it has and continues to accomplish; I respect many of the Alpha Phi Alpha brothers that post on GC - but I can't accept or respect the continued promotion of hate taking place in Alpha Phi Alpha's name here on GC...

i just find it completely ironic that people come out of the woodworks to blast fraternities and fraternity members who do stupid things (such as wearing blackface or hazing) and immediately attack the people/organization. but then that "man" (he's no man in my book) has the audacity to blatantly be homophobic and racist toward whites and everyone defends him! i don't get it...some people tend to have different rules that they live by depending on who's doing the talking.

looks like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

pun intended?

All we can do is pray our children never have to interact with his......

In all fairness, many folx on the D9 threads have PHAShriner on ignore or just don't bother to read his threads. And others of us do take him to task--many times in PM.

In fact, I did not even bother to read his Black Nation thread until RA Cooper made reference to it over there.

My take on it is the saying about arguing with a fool. I am not going to change is beliefs, only his own life experiences will do that. As a child of the 60s, my own personal experiences led me to feel some of the things he has expressed. But further experiences and maturity have taught me otherwise.

And as an ACLU member and employee, I do fervently believe in the First Amendment. If what PHA is saying is in violation of GC rules, then John needs to deal with him.

I know this is from a while ago but this is the first time I've read this thread, so bear with me. I hate to chair the anti-fun committee once again, but I've noticed a lot of cheap shots on GC directed at people who deal with depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, "people who don't take their medication," etc. lately. It's stigmatization of these issues that leads to people not seeking help, and given that 20 percent of all people suffering from bipolar disorder ultimately end up committing suicide, I'd think we'd want to minimize the stigmatization rather than add to it.

Taking up my spot as the uber-PC girl on this board once again -- while "manic depression" might be a fun throw-around term for you, it's not a ton of fun for those who actually deal with it (clearly, given the suicide statistics). And given that PHAShriner's behavior doesn't even really reflect that of a bipolar person, if you insist on throwing out medical terms, you could have found a more accurate personality disorder/mental illness to name drop. Antisocial personality disorder, maybe? ;)



Back to the actual topic of this thread: so yeah, why hasn't this guy been banned yet?