nuh-uh.

They took up arms against our government (which they lived under) and their generals led armies against the US (a country where most of them swore allegience to)

I truly believe that the civil war wasn't completely about slavery and I'm pretty sure most northerners probably didn't give two shitts about slavery either. But I also know being black and growing up in the south, I knew that where I say that flag fly was a place I wasn't welcomed and probably wasn't safe going. I remember a neighbor hanging the flag and allowing their dogs to chase black kids down the street, if you walked past their house. Many blacks remember images of the Klan waving the flag and they spouted their white supremacy views. The flag represents a South when blacks where not considered free or equal. The flag may have originated as a symbol of pride for the South, but grew into something so much more, which is a symbol for hate.

Exactly, look the children of the confederacy had a chance to legitimize the confederate flag a LOOOOONNNNGGG TIME AGO. But most sat with their hands under their arse while Neo-Nazis and the KKK waived the flag and preached hate for over a century. If they were SO concerned about the history and the heritage they wouldn't allow blacks being disrespected or murdered while that flag was showing. They wouldn't let hate mongers like the KKK or any other white supremacy group disrespect their flag. But they didn't and therefore that flag should never be welcome in this country.


Oh and the fact that it's a flag of treason.

Who were never, to the best of my knowledge, tried and convicted as such. Who were allowed to return to their homes and families. Who were allowed to keep their side arms and animals.

Many of whom were honored by President Lincoln and General Grant. Many of whom went on to serve the United States in subsequent wars.

If you want to bandy about the word "traitor," go back a few years to the founders of our country who rebelled against England. They were "traitors," too under your definition.

Had the South won, would they still be "traitors?"

Many were highly conflicted men who fought for their homeland -- which they saw as their state as opposed to the United States.

President Lincoln and others who followed chose to heal the scars of war -- not rub salt into them.

He and they were right.

I don't support or defend the young woman in question -- although I don't know her motives good or bad. However, this dress seems a really stupid thing to do to me. At the best in really bad taste -- at the worst, totally racist.

To call those who fought in the Confederate Army "traitors" goes too far, though, when judged by history.

Finally, whomever mentioned it above is right -- the catalyst for the Civil War may have been slavery, but the real reason for the conflict was states rights -- one side dictating laws and morality to the other. Despite who was right.

But the South didn't win.


By the way who is this they that you're speaking of?

I also notice that you didn't argue my other points but I will indulge you.

What do you call American citizens that pick up arms against the flag?

I'm not English so how the English view the founding fathers (the 4th of July is a holiday DRENCHED IN HYPOCRISY<see American Indian and Slavery for clarification>) so it's not a issue with me. But since you went there, I guess you can call them traitors. *shrug*


Choosing not to rub salt into the scars of war doesn't lift the cloud of guilt from citizens who chose to take up arms against the United States. Would you be sooooo quick to forgive citizens who pick up arms against the country now? I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't be.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hold grudges against them but, they are what they are.

Alot of these men who led them are traitors because they left the army (after they took a oath of allegience) to fight against the flag. Men like Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and Stonewall Jackson.


As a man who served under this great flag, I see any attempt to "romanticize" the confederate army as a treachous to the level of people hailing Bin Laden as a hero.

Did you just compare bin Laden to members of the Confederate Army? :rolleyes: Wow. Maybe check on cnn.com and brush up a little on your international news.

A better example would be yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre.

And, you're right, that was kind of ridiculous for her to respond with "THAT'S THE STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER READ ON GC."

And maybe you should brush up on terrorism. :rolleyes:
Or only Muslims(read non-whites) can be terrorist?

Well since the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy stood by while Blacks were brutal murdered by Klansman (under that FLAG) then I think it's the same thing. Both operated under terrorism to achieve it's purpose.

Like I said the Confederacy had it's chance to legitimize itself during this time of terror and did nothing about it. Nobody came out to denounce the Klans operation and I've yet to hear formal apologies for it. So tell me, what should be said about it?

Sorry but where did you get that Muslims were non-whites?

-Rudey

Well you know the truth and I know the truth, but I guarenteed that most of the people in this country don't know that. Very few know that there are white Muslims (who were born into the Religion) and have been Muslims for years. When most people in the States see a Muslims who happens to be white, they're very suprised. Most people (maybe the Nation of Islam had something to do with it) tend to think of Islam as a religion that caters to Africans.

For the record these are just my obsevations and this is basically leading to another thread.

I know it's not the point of this thread but I think most people think of Arabs when they think of Muslims, and not Africans. Osama is just another white boy who chose to kill people instead of playing basketball at his freakish height.

-Rudey

LOL,

i don't think osama has the protein in his diet to be competitive at the professional (and semi) level.

Stewie is on court, sizing up to full size basketball players.
SG: "I know you ain't puttin' that rock up from here, you ain't got no J! "
He trips the player over
Guy: "Yo man that's trippin' !"
SG: "Brother please, you're the one who's trippin' Go on! Cry home to your momma, she waitin' for yer' "
Guy: "Now don't make me put ma' size thirteen's up yer' narrow' ass!!"
SG: "I don't sweat you. Bring it on!" To himself: "Shesh, bringin' that trash in here! This is ma house!"

I heard he's lazy on the boards and can't shoot a J outside of 12 feet. Only does ish when he feels like it.

So the Confederate Army consisted of only Ku Klux Klan members and there are no white Muslims?

learn something new every day.

Not saying that but makes you wonder who signed up to be in the KLAN? Hmmmmmmm...... I'm totally sure that there wasn't any Muslims (white or black) involved.

THE CHRISTIAN KNIGHTS OF THE Ku Klux Klan. :rolleyes:


Should I explain more or is that little bit enough to make you realize that you barked up a wrong tree with that post?


By the way, just because you don't eat pork and read the Holy Q'uaran doesn't make you Muslim.


You were better off just letting us have fun with the rest of the post like we were doing.

Go ahead and explain more, because right now you're just kind of making yourself look awfully -ist. Racist, for example. Elitist is another one I'm thinking of.

So you're saying that the KKK wasn't founded by former confederate soldiers? Do you actually believe a Muslim (whether he be racist or not) would join/or create something that has Christian roots and christian priniciples (*disclaimer* I am not blaming christianity, all religions has their knuckleheads and villians who twist the peaceful preachings of their faith).

Please explain to me how I'm being racist? What racist thing have I said? What race have I slammed? I never said the WHITE men of the Confederacy were traitors, I said the Men who fought for it. (technically the blacks that fought can't be call traitors for the fact that they weren't citizens of the country when the war started, but that's a technically that I can get around, so let's include them all).

You're making yourself look stupid. REAL STUPID.