My face
 

:(

This is the reason why I didn't watch any coverage last night. I knew information was going to be contradicting and it would have drove me crazy.

I think you are right CT4. WAAAAAY back in the day, there was a need for the electoral college. However with the advancement of our society, I think it has outlived its usefulness. I don't think Kerry would run again. I think Obama would make a GREAT candidate but he would run from it like the plauge(who could blame him). I can also see(based on what this Bush fool does for the next four years) a Clinton 2008 bumper sticker coming...Hilary Clinton 2008.

I am so disgusted, depressed, and anythign else that anyone else wants to add that it's not even funny. How did this fool win both the popular vote and the E-College?:(

Re: Please tell me this is not for real
 

My sister reported a story equally as disturbing. She works for an agency that rented about 50 vans to pick up folks to take them to vote. When they got to the office yesterday morning, the tires had been slashed on ALL 50 vans. Obviously, they weren't able to get as many people to the polls as they had promised. This was in a swing state.

One reason for the discrepancies is this: I was watching ABC and they were being extra cautious about their projections this year because of the huge mistake they made last election. They were like 95% certain before they listed any projections AND their "projection team" were in a room and had no contact with the outside world. That way, they don't have any influcence from other networks. I am sticking with them. They were the only network who had not given Ohio to Bush.

According to the AP, Kerry just called Bush and conceded.

yeah i just read that isht. BAMA!!! :( :mad: :( :mad: :( :mad: :( :mad:

ROTFL @ BAMA. Thanks for the laugh C, I needed it.

You know!! At least Gore rode that 2000 election out for the long road. Gore must be someone who likes to ride or die. Aren't they still counting ballots?

What I suspect is that Kerry doesn't want to look like a sore loser. Gore's image took a beating through the ride or die thing.

If Barak Obama was a black senator in 2000, when the Black Caucus made a move to not recognize the Supreme Court's certification of George Bush, then you would have probably never even seen George again.

-Rudey
--Just thought it was interesting

Re: Re: Please tell me this is not for real
 

That is really sad and pathetic. I can't believe, in this day and age, that people would stoop this low. But then again, the son of a Bush is in office again......:( :eek: :mad:

Barack Obama commentary, poignant
 

Let Obama's shining light lead the way for us all

November 3, 2004

BY MARY MITCHELL SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST




I have been gently reminded that a politician will break your heart. And Lord knows, I've had my heart broken more times than I care to remember. So, many of us are hoping. No, we are praying that Sen. Barack Obama will prove to be a new breed of politician.



We've had our fill of charlatans. They steal your heart with their charisma only to betray you with their chicanery.

As only the third African American to go to the U.S. Senate since Reconstruction, we know Obama will go to Washington carrying a heavy burden. He will not just be the Illinois senator representing a diverse population, he will be the only man in the Senate that African Americans can look to as one of their own.

Born to a woman from Kansas and a man from Kenya, Obama never ran from his black ancestry. We loved him for that.

He and his wife, Michelle, and their two children, represent an image seen too seldom in the national spotlight -- an intact, loving, black family.

As one of my single sisters put it, it wasn't Obama's electrifying speech at the Democratic National Convention that moved her.

It was the image of the coffee complexioned, smartly dressed Michelle Obama on the platform, at his side waving at the crowd.

Brown sugar sister

Black women needed that moment. That this Harvard-educated biracial man, who was raised in a white family, chose a brown sugar sister to marry gave black women all over this country a boost.

The Obamas are now the African-American First Family.

And really, many of us longed for that. Some of us became so impatient that former President Bill Clinton, a southerner from Arkansas, was dubbed the nation's first black president after Nobel prize-winner Toni Morrison wrote an essay defending his character.

I was never sure why so many of us agreed -- whether it was because Clinton looked as cool as Miles Davis when he played a saxophone on national TV, or because he grew up poor in a single-parent home, or because he was dragged through the mud in a sexual scandal.

But after the impeachment proceedings -- sparked by a world leader getting caught with his pants down -- Clinton's membership into the black race was more embarrassing than puzzling.

Still, few black people were fooled by attempts by Alan Keyes, the GOP's Senate candidate, to paint Obama as being "immoral" and having the mentality of a "slaveholder" because of his positions on abortion and gays.

Obama was able to put morality into context. Since entering public life, he has been a consistent voice for poor and working class people. And he has been able to connect with young people who need more than the image of hip-hop stars and athletes to guide them.

Chris Lawrence, 19, for instance, waited in line at a polling place in Maywood with a black do-rag on his head and a ballot in his hand.

A graduate of a private Lutheran high school who works at Toys R Us, Lawrence told me he liked the way Obama presented himself during the debates.

'Don't forget the people'


But like the rest of us, the young man also has expectations about what Obama's trip to Washington will mean.

"I expect him just to keep the average person in mind," he said. "Don't forget about the people who are living in these neighborhoods."

When the celebrations are over, the people in the neighborhoods will still need the means to get jobs and to make perfect their imperfect lives.

And when the victory parties are over, the unabashedly liberal Obama will be expected to raise the "no-touch" issues that disproportionately affect black communities such as the mandatory drug sentencing laws and the HIV/AIDS epidemic.

That's why the most important asset Obama brings to the table as a leader couldn't be taught at Harvard, and couldn't be learned in Springfield.

As he so aptly noted in his memoir, Dreams from My Father, the most important thing Obama will take with him when he claims his seat in the U.S. Senate is inheritance.

Although his father strived, he did not reach a position in government where he could fully serve his country. But it is in the African tradition that Obama has exceeded his father's footsteps.

That's the hope that all of us must have for our children.

The fact that so many black families do not have that hope has been devastating for these communities.

Today, too often the fear is many of our children will not even achieve the success -- whether in public service or private enterprise -- that a parent has achieved.

Watching Obama's rise inspired us and made us proud.






It also served to remind us that -- no matter what circumstances we are born into -- we can all be torchbearers of our forefathers' dreams.

^^^
 

Agreed. I think it was a Party move to set the stage for 2008.

Re: Barack Obama commentary, poignant
 

He and his wife, Michelle, and their two children, represent an image seen too seldom in the national spotlight -- an intact, loving, black family.

As one of my single sisters put it, it wasn't Obama's electrifying speech at the Democratic National Convention that moved her.

It was the image of the coffee complexioned, smartly dressed Michelle Obama on the platform, at his side waving at the crowd.

Brown sugar sister

Black women needed that moment. That this Harvard-educated biracial man, who was raised in a white family, chose a brown sugar sister to marry gave black women all over this country a boost.

The Obamas are now the African-American First Family.

And I hope White America sees what millions of AA families are intact, with a fther well educated, mother well educated and children whom they know will reach for the stars and be successful in their own right.

How about a Clinton and Obama ticket in 2008? I don't know who would be president or vice.

Although I would love to see Obama in the White House, I think it's too many Good Ol' Boys left to let him do that. I would hate to see his or his loved ones lives in danger. I think he would do a great job in the senate because he has made so many connections with others all over the U.S. during his campaigning for the Senate. I wish him the best of luck from one Hyde Parker to another!

Re: Re: Barack Obama commentary, poignant
 

I just don't see Sen. Clinton winning the presidency. Trust me, the Clinton haters are out there lurking and will come out in force.
And I don't believe in my lifetime that we will ever see an AfAm president because the country isn't liberal.

Re: Sad in IL.......
 

Voting is a lot like joining a GLO. When you're evaluating a candidate, many people vote their aspirations. They look at the GOP and see that they're a party of wealth and prosperity (while completely disregarding the nefarious ways that many came by that prosperity). They get 'caught up in the hype' and start to think 'Man, Candidate X has it made. He's a success. I want to be just like Candidate X, so I'll vote for him.' They don't think of where they are, they think of where they'd like to be.

Prosperity argument is a good point
 

^^
Plus, I was reading somewhere that Bush/Cheney, at least when it came to Southern white voters, transmitted a message of "it's your money, you get to keep it." Read: I'm not going to raise your taxes and divert it to those (insert derogatory term for AfAms) here.

I agree.
I also agree with Soror ST regarding Kerry/sore loser bit.

I don't think Hilary will run either. The reason above supports my rationale as well as the fact that SOME women probably would not vote for her. You know we can get soooooooo "catty". Many women did not like her as 1st lady. She was too "out there"... too empowered etc. (JMO).


I hope that I'm wrong, but you never know... It's still a WM's world...

Truth.

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I saw the Obama family! It looks like mine! I was so :D after spending most of the day :(. As much as an Obama/Clinton ticket makes me happy, it won't happen. Not only are there too many good old boys, there are too many women out there who are misogynistic enough to think a woman can't do the job.

Why is Al "Motions Extra Strength" Sharpton being so articulate all of a sudden?! :eek:

the reason why he conceded that early yesterday was because he realized that even with counting all the provisional ballots, there was no way he was going to take over bush's lead in ohio. there was a lot in the paper in boston this morning about how he also wanted to appear as a gracious loser and hoped it would help start to unite the country. which honestly, i think the country is more divided than ever and it will be very hard to unite it. and part of me just wants to go to sleep for the next four years because i can believe that bush is still our president.

I knew all that when I posted. I just still tried to have a glimmer of hope.

Unfortunately, yes. My roommate said to me last night, "I would never vote for a woman president because I'm a woman and I know we get a little bit crazy sometimes. I don't think a woman could handle that type of pressure."
I had to walk out of the room when she said that.

oh i did too. my dad was like they're still counting even though he called to concede, don't give up yet! part of me wishes i stayed registered to vote in ohio, even though i moved back to boston two years ago when i finished school.

Thank you. I'm strongly opposed to Hillary running in 2008 and I'll fight against her getting the nomination if it comes to that. We need nominees who can win. She is hated with the most vicious venom I have ever seen, and she will inspire the other side more than anybody else we could possibly run. We don't need a candidate who has millions of enemies before she even takes one step; we need someone who can start fresh. It's not fair, and it's not right, but it's a fact that she'll do the party a hell of a lot more good in the Senate than she will going down in flames running for president.

Ditto...She is ok the election would not even be a close race.

The best thing that I could do finding out how FCUKED UP these results are and we have this creature as our president again is I just played old N.W.A. with Ice Cube... I felt tons better...

"You don't like how I live, well F you..."

"Gangstas don't dance we boogie..."

"I feel institutionalized and I'm on the street..."


I am getting into my full SoCal underground days with the resistance...

Remember, THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED!!!

Yea, I couldnt believe it myself that he won. What can I do? I went out and voted and that is all I could do. At least he can't be reelected in 2008, lol.

I do agree that Hillary should not run for President. While I do think there are many people that like her, I don't think she will have even a close chance of winning and I do agree that we need some who is gonna win for the democratic party. She is better off in senate.

More Barack Obama
 

Very long, very good article on Sen.-elect Obama...

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...ace-wells.html

Last night a classmate of mine, who's a republican (black male), said that Condoleeza Rice might be the rebublican candidate in 4 years. Wouldn't it be interesting if she would be running against Hillary? Who would you vote for?

I haven't a clue.:(

at this point, i'd say "keep dreaming". i don't see the GOP putting her up as a presidential candidate. true, anything is possible. but all things aren't probable...

Condie's a right wing cultural conservative who works to support a political agenda and party that I despise. Hillary's a left-wing (somewhat) social liberal who supports social and economic agenda that is closely aligned with my personal beliefs. It's pretty clear who I would vote for. Political beliefs would trump any racial allegiance in a heartbeat.

Oh, and Sistah Condie has long said that after her job with this political adminstration is over, her next move is to become NFL commissioner. She's actually said it would be a 'dream job' for her. I was hoping that her dream would come true sooner rather than later, but I digress.

All we can do is...
 

BE IN PRAYER FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THE TROOPS WHO ARE OVERSEAS!!!

Same for me, but add "sorority affiliation" to racial allegiance.

But, I don't see THIS GOP voting in anyone who's not a white Christian male--regardless of how conservative that person might be.

Oh snap. I bet you get that a lot, don't you?

Yep.

About six months ago, the two most famous AXOs were Trista (from the Bachelorette) and Condie.

I was bursting with pride, let me tell you.