I wasn't trying to be snooty...but I think you're snippy attitude is a little uncalled for. I was just pointing out that some 'smart' schools do check GPA requirements...and I was talking about 1st years as well. Wash. U. does January Recruitment for freshmen and they used our 1st semester grades, not our ones from high school...so I was pointing out that some 'selective' schools do check GPA--especially when it's deferred rush and they are using college grades not high school ones. I was trying to say that your sweeping generalization was a little too large and that maybe it was different at other schools...
Neither one of us is 'wrong' per se...we just had different experiences. No need to jump down throats.

hey everyone, chill, no one knows everything about every school, things are different everywhere, no one truly knows it all, so chill! :)

I think Munchkin is talking about freshmen rushing, and I can see where she's coming from. I can't imagine that there are more than a handful of freshmen at my school that had high school GPAs below 2.5, and the school I go to is not exactly top tier in terms of getting in. College GPA is, of course, another story. ;)

And carnation, I wonder why they only check the transfer students? At many schools it wouldn't be tough for a transfer (at least a sophomore transfer) to pass themselves off as a freshman if they really wanted to. And I'm sure that if they had been Greek at a previous school and really wanted to join a different sorority now, they might go to great lengths. Checking only the self-declared transfer students still gives the opportunity for many women to slip through those cracks if they really try. Although given the large number of rushees, it's not surprising that sororities don't check everyone, I think it's strange to assume that these women would lie about not having been Greek before, yet not about anything else (previous student status, etc.).

It makes more sense to me that the individual organizations would check up prior to initiation, but when you're thinking up to 80 girls in a pledge class x 25 other organizations to check in with, that's still a lot of people and a WHOLE lot of work. And when you consider the hundreds/thousands of women that initiate in every organization every year, I just don't think that most of our HQs have the resources to deal with checking up on the background of every single girl that rushes. (Clearly they don't, which is why they only check the women who are most likely to have joined before, but this also explains why so many girls ARE able to join a second organization with nobody finding out, or nobody finding out until long after.)

Deadbear and kddani, you have a good point--we've all had different experiences! I have no clue what rush is like at northern or western schools so I defer to the expertise of folks from there about their rush matters. Also, if I think that someone from another type of system has a really stupid way of doing something, I might say that in a pm to a third party but it would be evil to announce it on the forums to a woman from that system.

That's why I dislike it when someone from a different type of system runs down the way that the SEC works. We deal with huge numbers. We know that expansion is difficult at our schools because PNMs often decide before recruitment which groups they want and a new one is at a distinct disadvantage. We do what we have to to deal with both problems and despite those problems, our Greek systems are powerful and so are our alum clubs.

To pass themselves off as a freshman, they'd have to declare themselves as entering freshmen with no college gradepoint. Anyone with any college hours would have to submit their college transcript.

All PNMs are checked in my experience. Like I mentioned earlier, I get many calls and emails from Pi Phi chapters as well as other sororities asking me about PNMs. If ABC calls me about Ms. PNM, the freshman at Mercer, I might say, "Why's she rushing as a freshman at Mercer? She was a member of XYZ at Georgia State last year," and another one is caught. Somebody in your hometown always knows. They also know--and will tell sororities--if you're a troublemaker or a potential letter pimp. Or teachers will tell sororities if they know a girl cheated her way through school and will probably flunk out if not able to cheat in college. The hometown folks will also tell if someone is reeeaaallll strange.

I know that at our 2002 convention, we passed a bylaw that basically said when you sign your bid to us, you are affirming that you have never been initiated into another NPC group and if it's found out that you have been, your membership with us is automatically revoked. I'm guessing most other NPCs have similar policies.

I don't quite understand what you're asking here, but if you've been initiated into an NPC sorority at your old school, you cannot join a different one at your new school. You can affiliate with your original sorority if it is at your new school (most of the time). As far as local groups, that's a totally different matter.

just to be clear
 

I just wanted to make myself clear, I didnt try to do anything. I was just miss informed about the rules and was confused and wanted to clear up my confusion. I did not do anything nor do i think that anyone else should lie or cheat.

Just want to clear up any confusion.

Doesn't matter, you'll still get cut even if you tell the truth.

what is this girl's deal?! If you look around enough, you will realize that this (GC) is not the place to send out an invitation to a self pity party.

Exactly what I was thinking. And she's doing it on at least 5 threads..

Ditto!!!!!!!! Once again I will say as I believe myself and others have stated in other threads.......a sorority at any school has the right to cut any PNM at anytime for any reason as do the PNM's have the right to drop any sorority from their schedules at anytime for any reason. Constant speculations and pitty parties are a waste of time and energy. Move on and get over it. Not being greek is not the end all be all.

Let's just drop this aspect of the conversation, OK?

Changing the subject :rolleyes:

What on earth is a letter pimp? ;)

All you want to do is wear letters and say you're a member, not contribute anything to the chapter. We called them "jacket sisters" at my school.

LOL, I like your sig. :D

Ah! we called that the cotton club--- as in, collect as many tshirts as you possibly can!

incredible that many girls would lie.....on my daughter's applications we had to submit the official ACT/SAT scores and the HS transcript with the GPA on it....no way to lie there unless you changed an offical document I suppose!

Do the PNMs who lie on their applications ever get caught?

For example, if a PNM says they had a 1200 SAT when they really had 1080, and their Panhell catches this discrepancy - does anything happen?

Yeah, they put the PNM up in front of a firing squad. :p

Seriously, as I understand it, Panhel will correct the information before forwarding the application to the sororities. Thus, each sorority is informed about the lie/misrepresentation and can decide from there what to do.

I was a recruitment counselor last year and one of my girls didn't put down a GPA or something. She somehow made it through to the last night before Preference before a Panhellenic member came up to me to find out what her deal was. The chapters had repeatedly invited her back, despite the fact they didn't have a GPA for her or the right GPA. I had to confront the PNM and tell her that if she had to tell us her true GPA. I also had to find out why she was lying to the chapters. She told me that her friends were doing the same thing and that they "knew" they would never get caught telling the chapters that they had higher GPAs than they really did. Needless to say, I explained the whole grade release process and that if she didn't tell the truth now, she would get dropped by most of the sororities if she ended up there becasue they could get her GPA from the school. It took me a good 20 minutes explaining to this girl that she was wrong and that we in fact could get her grades as soon as she signed the release form for her grades. It was such a mess and a pain in the butt having to deal with.

IF YOU'RE A PNM GOING THROUGH THIS FALL- DON'T LIE! THE CHAPTERS WILL FIND OUT YOUR GRADES. IT WILL ALSO CAUSE YOU LESS EMBARRASMENT TELLING THE TRUTH UP FRONT THAN WAITING UNTIL YOU'RE IN A CHAPTER AND HAVE TO BE RELEASED DUE TO GRADES!

Is it just a Texas thing that PNM's must submit a copy of their transcript with their application? Also, if you are already in school, the form you sign to sign up for recruitment allows PH to check you grades through the University.

Since we do deffered recruitment..GPA is checked against a woman's first quarter (if she is a freshman) or present (if she's upperclass status) GPA., rather than HS gpa. On the signup sheet for recruitment, there is a box to put your GPA, and I believe that the greek life advisor checks it against Cardinal Web, and if you don't meet the minimum rush GPA, you don't rush.

That is pure and utter BS. You were probably cut for the rude, catty, condesending, cynical attitude you are displaying; your username doesn't inspire much confidence in you as a person.

So you didn't get a bid. So what? There are plenty of other things you can do instead of wasting energy bashing greek life just because you didn't get accepted in.

Sorry at the above reply to that comment, I didn't read that the topic was dropped until after.