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Ok, I've gone back to re-read what you posted. You are correct, so I humbly apologize. My next question then is why do you make personal attacks and cruel comments when someone doesn't agree with you?

Agreed. Every morning I eat two eggs, for lunch I have a salad with a couple ounces of tuna or chicken or dinner leftovers, and for dinner some sort of meat (around 4 oz) with lots of veggies. Red meat is a rarity. I don't intake tons of fat or lots of calories. I also eat fruit, things such as strawberries and blueberries. Welcome to my Atkins diet.

I'm sure you will all go on believing what you want and that's fine. I disagree that my diet is as unhealthy as many believe it to be. Having not been able to really exercise since mid-February and still having another 4 months or so until I can even run again, Atkins is how I have managed to maintain, and even lose, weight while not being able to run or do any lower body exercises. I plan on continuing to follow this diet even after I fully recover from my injury. Just my $.02.

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Dear, you are entirely correct that I was being cruel with that comment and will erase the references. But you are incorrect in that I make cruel statements against anyone who doesn't agree with me. Perhaps it would be best said that I dislike when people try to pass off opinions as facts. You don't like the diet, you feel it's unhealthy, yada yada...fine. I do low carb, I don't like when people refer to it as atkins, I know lots of other healthy people that do it, I read about it, I might be going to med school in a few years and if I do I would encourage it to anyone who wanted to see what options were available to them. But to say this is unhealthy and other diets are better is nothing supported by fact. To pull up news articles and quotes on me when you haven't read them, are rather strange on your part. I will refrain from any cruel comments in the future refering to any medical conditions.

-Rudey

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Wow! I would never have expected you to say that!! Thank you! I also do low carb, but it's low simple carbs. I just have serious concerns for the health of people eating too much protein (ketosis) and my emphatic disapproval of Atkins is simply because I don't want to see people's health suffer.

I am the carb queen! I love bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, you name it.

I am trying to lose weight and am doing it with portion control and exercise class 2-3 times a week.

I am two faced! heheh just last week or the week before i said oh i dont miss carbs....now i am singing a new tune........what i would give for a big bowl of mash potatoes and gravy and a subway club on parmasean orgeano

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Yes, this is also what I was trying to get at, but didn't quite get right. :)

My reason for being anti-low carb diets is because I worry about long-term health. I don't think there is enough research one way or another to DEFINATELY say it; but my point: while it's not known whether low carb diets can cause health problem, it IS known that a traditional "diet" (reduce calories and bad fats, eat more veggies and fruit, and whole grains) DOES NOT cause health problems. You lose weight to benefit your health...so, I personally would feel better on a traditional diet than something like Atkins.

And it IS true that most people eat too many carbs. The trick is distinguishing the good ones from the bad, but still reducing them. Carbs are necessary for energy, especially when working out.

And I agree with whoever said it about processed foods and low fat versions of foods. I used to eat lots of low fat versions, especially of chips, snack cakes, etc. Thing is...they just made me hungrier because of all the refined sugar. I complained to my doctor about how I was losing weight, but I was always hungry. I was so shocked when he said I was not consuming ENOUGH fat! But the truth is, healthy fats (like in nuts, fish, peanut butter) help you feel full. It's deceptive because people think low fat always means better, when in reality, it's making things worse. I have also noticed that natural foods tend to be more satisfying anyways. I love organic produce, but it's hard to find! Especially carrots...they taste soooo much better (the organic kind).

Rudey, a quick note. You have a right to feel how you do about your diet. BUt folks like me, or preciousjeni, have just as much right to speak out against it. I'm not trying to attack you, but please try to be a little kinder.

I totally agree!! I don't really understand this high carb/ low carb thing... I think we need to eat sensibly by trying to make vegetables, fruits, high fiber foods, and lean protein the staples of our diets. Add a little bit of restricted caloric intake and exersise, and that is all you need for a healthy life. Quite simple, as far as I am concerned!!

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Don't let him get to you Jeni! You have lots of good things to say.

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Shutup.

-Rudey

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When you post facts, we'll talk.

-Rudey

I am eating an everything bagel with cream cheese. :) Not exactly low carb, but oh so good.

I just had Home Run Inn "Low Carb Cheese Pizza" at the taste of Chicago and it was delicious! :D

An H&H everything bagel?

No, but those are good. I either bought it at Tal or a place on Second Ave.

I skipped a chunk of this thread so I wanted to state my claim...

I love carbs. I have recently switched from eating sugary carbs (cookies, white bread/rice etc) to eating wheat flour products. Restaurants aren't always nice with the fries and mashed potatoes though... however I won't cook those at home so I guess a little bit won't hurt once in a while.

I would never go on Atkins. High protein diets and diabetes don't mix in the long term. And I am not a huge fan of meat and love fruit too much. I do like, however, the fact that low carb foods are available for me in greater quantity. The more insulin I give, the bigger chance of weight gain. So having low carb bread available (yes, I have considered buying some) is better. I don't understand low carb beer though... Bud Light never had that many carbs to begin with so why all the low carb alternatives. Isn't that what Lite beer is supposed to be?

here was something scary. I wanted to try the subway wraps I see ads for all the time. sure it has 6 grams of carbs (yay!) but it has 22 grams of fat (yuck!). Same goes for the salads. I'll stick to the ham and cheese... 6 grams of fat. :p

Papa Murphy's makes a low carb pizza too but everyone I've talked just ends up eating more of it because it's not filling so it cancels out. It is yummy though.

You're kidding! :( Would the fat count get better if you left out the cheese and/or bacon?

dunno... but here's the nutrition facts:
http://www.subway.com/subwayroot/Men...uct/index.aspx

Yeah, when I was following the weight watchers plan (I'm starting up again) the Atkins wraps were more points than some of their larger subs. It's crazy!

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*giggles*

I heard Ben and Jerry's came out with "Car Karma" (low carb) ice cream! They have it in Chocolate, Half Baked, and Vanilla Swiss Almond with 4, 5, and 2 net grams of carbs (respectively). Has anyone tried it? Was it any good?

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The key is moderation and exercise. It is okay to eat what you want, as long as you are smart about it. Granted, that is arbitrary, but so is everything. Do what is best for your individual body. Carbs are great if you want them.

The Ben and Jerry's stuff is good. Not as good as the full fat kind, but definitely still quality.

I can't remember which one I had (and not in one sitting ;) )

Also, the Edy's slow churned light is good too.



Boy do I sound like a pig now.:eek:

I had the ben and jerry's low carb "Vanilla Almond"...I thought it was exceptionally good (thought I don't really remember the last time I had REAL ice cream...still working that frosh 15 off :( ) I haven't tried the chocolate kind though, because I don't like chocolate. :D

Well this was interesting...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...carb_survey_dc

Have you had the starbucks light-mocha ice cream? Quality. But I agree, the full fat is needed sometimes. And I would much rather eat a little cup of the real thing and get over a craving than suffer the whole day and then lose it and eat the whole carton.

I am half Italian, so there is no way in hell I will ever give up carbs. I would die. So would my husband, as he is a Type 1 diabetic. He needs carbs to live.

On a related note, my husband works in a food manufacturing plant. One of the products they make is a low carb chocolate coating for ice cream bars. He had me try it once, and it was so sick. It tasted like chocolate, but had so much fat in it, I could feel it slide down my throat. Blech.

Ugh... all of these enginered foods will end up causing problems. People need to realize that they can eat the real thing, as long as they eat decent portion sizes, for heaven's sake.

Word. Though I do like how certain things, like low carb/sugar free syrups, hot cocoa, SF syrups for lattes, and PB are coming in "low carb" products and are more readily available. That stuff is better for the blood sugars since the regular stuff is... eh not so much. But I don't understand lo carb bread. WHY?

And I have always wondered this. If you want to get everyone on the low carb train, why make all the products so freaking expensive???

I work in a liquor store...they now have Low Carb Wine. The merlot is called 1.9 (for the amount of carbs) and the chardonnay is called 1.6. NO ONE buys it...wine is low carb to begin with! Just shows how crazed people are right now!!

I just lost about 5 pounds over the past month and it wasnt by cutting ANYTHING out...just eating less, even just less "bad" carbs and fatty things. It's the only thing that actually works consistently because you dont have deprive yourself...common sense...

Is it true that all hard liquor is low carb? Or what alcohol is low carb (other than wine)?

Please consider again:

Carbs and Proteins: 4 calories/gram
Alcohol: 7 calories/gram
Fat: 9 calories/gram

Wine has BOTH carbs and alcohol!!! Hard liquor is basically just alcohol (unless you add something) so it's worse than carbs. Plus alcohol consumption slows weight loss, even you don't drink much at all.

ETA: Let's say you have a drink that is 40 grams or whatever...

(for illustrative purposes only - I have NO idea what the breakdown is actually!)

Wine: 20 carb grams/20 alcohol grams
=80 carb calories plus 140 alcohol calories
=160 Calories

Hard Liquor: 40 alcohol grams
=280 Calories

Amen to that. It is about contolling the things you like, not cutting them out. Trying to completely cut them out usually leads to some type of binge.

I've seen the low-carb wine. My local liquor store has a big sign advertising it. Someone who works there told me how they make it: They first extract all the sugar, then add a little back in. :confused: I'm not racing out to buy it; a glass of wine is typically 2-3g carbs, and by state law, anything over 7g carbs per glass cannot be called ordinary wine. (Mostly this applies to dessert wine.)

Hard liquors like gin, vodka, rum, and tequila have zero carbs. However, your body burns alcohol before anything else, including carbs. The advantage of a ketogenic diet like Atkins is that you burn the few carbs you do eat, then you start burning your body fat; if you drink, you burn the alcohol first, then the carbs, and you may not even get to the fat.

I'm not sure where the misconception is coming from about calories. A calorie is a calorie is a calorie. Different types of calories serve your body in different ways.

A pound of fat is 3500 (estimated) calories to gain or lose. The type of calorie is of no consequence.

So, to lose a pound a week, eat 3500 fewer protein calories, or 3500 fewer carb calories or 3500 fewer fat calories, etc. It doesn't really matter, but it's best to cut across the board rather than cut one segment of your diet.

You are right, however, when comparing calorie to calorie, it is better to eat say, some brown rice, green beans and a chicken breast rather than a bag of potato chips and a Big Gulp, even if they are the same total number of calories.

LOL! My hope is that people will already know which foods are good for the body and which are not!! :D You can lose 100 pounds eating nothing but Doritos and Godiva ice cream, if you wanted to.