LMAO @ hands across America.

That's why I don't really get into the RW anymore. The FIRST show with Heather, Kevin, Julie and the crew was the BEST, IMHO. Since then, it has been a crock of STUFF!

MTV should have left well enough alone.

DST Love,

You are absolutely correct. I still remember Kevin(RW1) and Julie(RW1) and their big blow up fight. Even though they had that argument, he was still very articulate with what he was trying to convey to her. Kevin (RW1) could not have been any realer as far as describing the plight of the black man, and black people in general to someone like Julie who was so young and so white. What I mean by so white is that I think she was 19 and was from Alabama, and I know that she had never met black people like Kevin or Heather that were not from the country in Alabama.


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YAAAAAAY!!! I think that makes 2 of us now, chickenlittle, I feel the same way you do.

I finally got a chance to see the RW episode from Tuesday night. I put the vcr to work on the night it actually came on. I am still shaking my head in straight up amazement http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif that Nicole went off on both Malik and Kevin in the manner that she did.

Now I understand where she was coming from with she thought that she, Malik and Coral had a bond because they are all black, but come on. Both she and Malik have white mothers, so he can't talk to anyone about anything that she has talked to him about unless its to another black person. Now considering that Malik is the only black male in the house, who in the hell is he suppose to talk to in or to vent things or just have a basic conversation with when he needs to talk to another male.

I really think she went off the deep end with it all, and I am really greatful that neither Malik or Kevin halled (is this really a word) off and slapped the living taste out of her mouth as my grandmother use to say. There is a way to conduct yourself around "people" regardless of if they are black or white or whatever, and I'm sorry to say that Nicole just doesn't know how to do it. That was just a really deep episode....sorry for the long post.

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Interesting observation. Is it that MTV didn't have the "opportunity" to portray them as angry...or that they just weren't angry, period. I think it's the latter...being in that house all the time WOULD make me angry, so the remedy would be leaving the house as much as possible. *I'm about to catch a caaaase*


CHAOS

Hey everybody! I really missed this forum while I was away. It's taking me a while to read through all the threads, but I just had to comment on this weeks episode of RW.

Nicole seems really hurt because Malik isn't living up to her idea of what a black man is supposed to be. I think she feels she has invested a lot of time getting to know him only to realize she doesn't know him at all. We all know that can be frustrating. Nicole has lived a hard life and feels she doesn't have to share those details with the house. However, I think she would have eventually done so with Malik. I think that is what the real issue is. It's a lot deeper to Nicole than it is to Malik. She's on a totally different level than he is. Remember, Malik has told Mike that he doesn't really even know her, but Nicole felt like she knew Malik and his beliefs. That's why she feels hurt and betrayed by his admitting that he dates outside of his race.

I think she is concentrating on Malik's appearance and what she thinks it means about him because she is really into her own physical apperance. Nicole presents herself in a certain way and most of that comes through in what she wears and how she carries herself. So, is it surprising that she would make judgments about Malik based on his appearance? Really, what does having an afro have to do with being a real black man and being active when it comes to black issues within our own communities? Does that mean that Joe Black, CEO, who wears a three piece suit to work isn't a real black man? You don't have to wear a Marcus Garvey t-shirt and a 'fro to be a real black man and all that Nicole seems to think goes along with that. Remember when "Malcolm X" came out and EVERYBODY was wearing the "X" t-shirt? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif It became more of a fashion statement than anything else. Basically, it all comes down to the old saying "don't judge a book by it's cover".

As far as Malik is concerned, I don't see it the same way Nicole does. I don't think Malik is being hypocritical. Malik is young and a little naivè. Right now, he doesn't see that there is anything wrong with wearing a Marcus Garvey shirt and dating women outside of his race. I don't see that there is anything wrong with that, either. Malik seems more open-minded to me than Nicole and Coral. He seems more secure in himself than Nicole and Coral. I think that is what is really important. I see Malik doing more for his community than the other two.

Nicole and Coral have done nothing but bring dissention into the household. Maybe they think they are "keepin' it real" by being disrespectful and arguing with whom ever presents an opinion contrary to their beliefs and/or opinions. The way Coral acted at her desk at Arista was an embarrassment. She needs to grow up. It's really not that deep. And Nicole being "close-minded" about her music? They seem to be looking a gift horse in the mouth. How many people wish they had a job HANDED to them at Arista? C'mon, we have survived way more than that as a people. And these are their issues?

Sorry for the long post. I guess I'm making up for all the posts I didn't make when I was away. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif


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I agree. I think Nicole is confused (like a lot of Black people are) about what Black is/isn't. Not to spark THAT debate, but Black isn't talking loud, waving your arms around, etc. She needs to get past the surface values of what she thinks black is...and realize that Black people are as diverse as any other people.

CHAOS

everything you said in your post was on-point, but here is my question: by dating white women, is malik really dating outside his race if he is biracial?

No, I don't think Malik is dating outside his race. I should have made that clear. Sorry! Nicole seems to think that he is dating outside his race, though. Maybe she is from the "one drop of black blood..." school. Although she is biracial as well, she doesn't even consider dating a white man an option.

That's what I was thinking...how are you going to tell Malik not to tell anyone the details of their conversation (which, IMO, is absurd b/c it's not like she is freinds with Kevin, and anyway, friends talk to theach other in order to get through their problems)...She's a hypocrite...And she made herself look really bad by acting that was to Malik and to Kevin--who shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place, but it wasn't necessarily his fault b/c Coral opened her big mouth, which led to Kevin opening his)...Miss Nicole should know better, since she's from the 'Hood than to poooint her fingers in anyone's face...I'm sorry, but I would've been thisclose to hurting her...she knows better...Well, by seeing her confessional at least she knows she handled the situation badly...But she needs to realize that she can't force her beliefs on other people...And also that what a person wears does not define their level of blackness...What if we assumed she was a drag queen--which is what I first thought when I saw her on the Casting Special--just b/c she wears SOOOO MUCHHHH MAKEUPPPP????

Question: How does everyone feel about her never dating a white man, when she is biracial? Her attitude towards whites is rather iffy, being that she's mixed...It's like she is trying to erase and deny half of what and who she is...

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LMAO at your Ronald Isley excerpt.

I agree with you. I also don't believe that every black person who they portrayed as "angry" was really like that. There is so much footage since MTV basically tapes almost every minute of their lives. They have to edit out what they feel is unimportant. They can also edit the footage to make the "characters" seem a certain way. With Coral, every time we see her she is basically arguing with Mike. I can't believe that is all she does or that their relationship is limited to arguments. MTV could have made a conscious choice to portray her as a b!tch, whether she really is or not.

I'm not saying that Kevin, Muhammed and Teck weren't portrayed as "angry" black men because they weren't. I think it's because MTV couldn't. Out of all of the "angry" blacks that have been on this show, I think that maybe one might have been accurately shown. The rest, IMHO, were edited to appear that way.

I actually think that Coral was uncharacteristically quiet during that episode. It's funny b/c, when Nicole was swinging her arms around at Kevin, Coral was looking at Nicole like "naw, you trippin, gurl."


CHAOS

All of the replies regarding the Nicole and Malik situation have been really on point. I had an opportunity to view the episode this weekend and was very disappointed in Nicole's behavior, it was down right embarrasing. The thing that really pissed me off was Corale, she just had to put her 2 cent in ( I'm being generous)all she did was add unneeded fuel to the fire. How can she talk, she was caught on camara during the casting special all hugged up with that guy ( who was not black) in the bathroom or where ever they were. And she had the nerve to question Malik about his blackness, because he choses to date all races. That chick needs serious help, because she is such a hyprocrit. It seems as though she loves to have people yelling and screaming at each. I just truely believe that she is vey unhappy and wants others to share in her foul mood.

Okay. Coral and Nicole are straight trippin. Coral is working to be accountable for her actions?? They are both rude and inconsiderate, and I reallllly wish somebody was there to tell them off one good time. Nobody should have to give you motivation to go to work - if you have a job, should you not be there from the time the shift begins until it is scheduled to end ANYWAY?? I swear, I can't even stand to listen to their bullsh*t. It's hard to feel bad for Rachel though.. she really needs to learn to stick up for herself or she will forever be getting walked over.

THANK YOU!

But you know what......Coral and Nicole will go at it soon as well! Two dominant personalities wlll get in a fight before it is all over.

Sphinxpoet

Last night I wanted to smack both Coral and Nicole. How are you out shopping when you should be at work. Grant it they did receive messages stating that they did not have to come in, but this is your job. Unless the message had come directly from the boss, take your simple ass to work.

Another thing, Coral should know that her "dome" is to damn big to wear her hair back...cover that thing up. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

But I was truly amazed that they felt that Lori and Rachel should have stuck up for them, and gotten them tickets to the Outkast concert....NOT!!!! They just take me out that all this is everyone's fault but theirs.

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I'm glad that somebody else also realized that Coral's big a$$ head is annoying!! I don't know who told her that is was a good idea to wear her hair like that!!

Last night I was getting so mad at Nicole and Coral!! How can you possibly be mad at somebody else because you would rather shop than go to work ?!? Then for them to get mad because they didn't get any tickets to the show was just ridiculous ! If you go to work everyday with an attitude and sit there looking like you would rather be at the dentist having your wisdom teeth pulled than to be there, how do expect your supervisors not to take notice of that? The whole atmosphere seemed so much more positive without them being there...

I wish Rachel would have stood up for herself. I mean, I understand that she was upset, but I'm not going to let anybody make me cry and have my face turn beet red without giving her a piece of my mind right back!! I just wanted to slap some sense into her and Lori for letting Coral and Nicole intimidate and bully them. They only do it because they know they can get away with it, and beacuse they can.....


I say, let me have a few words with em !!!

I'm sick of all of these folks....

Coral and Nicole played right into the stereotype that Black Folk don't work. They had a lot of nerve jumping on people because they didn't do the right thing.

Nicole pissed me off at when she asked the Arista guys about her tickets; dang was that pathetic or what?

Another thing for Coral to say that Lori and Rachel are her friends....WTF???? how in the heck are you friends with somebody you don't know?

Rachel?..........STOP WHINING for goodness sakes. She is getting on my last nerve. AND she wasn't all that "innocent" when she dumped on Mike in a previous episode.

Lori? She's messed up, that whole thang with Kevin showed us that.

Sorry to vent so long http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

I cannot understand how they let those two (Coral and Nicole) give such a negative vibe to the whole show!! If everyone in the house was to just stand up to them (without the water-works) I bet that they will calm down. They are just protraying black women as loud, ignorant, and argumentative. It's a damn shame someone has not put them both in check yet. Well, on the brighter side: at least they didn't show Lori singing in this episode http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif!!

RW last night was crazy! Something had to happen that we didn't see, because if they really felt like they were entitled to the tickets without going to work, SOMETHING DOES NOT COMPUTE.

Nicole is just pathetic in everything she says and does. I thought it was funny when she said to Coral something to the effect of, "I wish we would have gotten those tickets." Ha ha ha. That's why you go to work.

Like someone said before, they seemed MUCH happier without those birds there.

those RW chics...
 

I don't know which of the RW chics erks me the most. Coral and Nicole do have a negative vibe and always exaggerate their emotions (drama). However, the Rachel and Lori chics are annoying b/c they try to act innocent, as if they're easily intimidated. They cry too darn easily...makes me wanna smack 'em. The tickets episode was embarassing b/c I feel as if the other housemates (except Malik) set Coral and Nicole up to take an "L." Coral is dumb to think that these losers are her friends, but now she knows not to trust others to have her back.
Oh yeah, the next episode is another "tear jerker," the blonde chick is going to cry and whine about how she's afraid to be alone with Coral and Nicole, and how they're bullies...cry me a river.

Well, being that GC was down for a while, I went over to MTV. Just so happened that cast members were actually in the chat room. I enjoyed the RW chat but was really upset with the RR chat. the new cast member Katie was in there. They asked our honest opinion of the show and blah blah blah:rolleyes:

I told them how I honestly felt. Some folks can't handle the truth.:D

But over in the RW chat Mike was there. He had to explain over and ober how stupid he still feels about his comments in the beginning.

They asked repeatedly how he felt about Coral and he says..."Coral has her moments, but deep down she's really cool."

It was sort of fun to hear how other people felt about what's been going on. Everyone there was clowning Coral's forhead as well as Nicole's make-up.

Mike confessed that that girl SLEPT in her make up!:eek:

Oh that is CLASSIC