Since you agreed to the Code of Conduct of the school when you enrolled...just like how Phi Kappa Psi could kick you out for doing something that's okay by the Constitution because you agreed to it upon assuming membership.

Phi Kappa Psi is a private institution. Georgia State University is not. Phi Psi is protected by America's Freedom of Association and may act in such a manner. Georgia State is a public institution, and therefore, must ensure that our statuarory freedoms are preserved. Just like no fraternity may have a rule to promote illegal behavior like hazing, no public institution may have rules that contravene constitutional freedoms.

Well maybe you should go to law school and help them sue then, Russell. I'll eagerly await the results. Tell Scalia I still don't like him while you're there.

Re: Re: Re: My cousin goes there...
 

If people hang out with those they already know to be assholes they kind of deserve their bad experiences. How stupid can you be? Is that like a girl thing, lets go hang out with people we think might hurt us lol?

I think at the end of the day it's the end goals of what Pi Kappa Alpha has that matter.

You can scream all you want about how they're this and that, but they seem to be doing well and, with that ace up their sleeve, can tell you to STFU.

-Rudey

Oh Rudey, wonderful post! Da, your usual standards!:(

Yes, while ALL National Greek Organizations Have High Ideals, there are those that abuse it!:mad:

Then, a few make The Goup look bad and they all suffer for it!:(

Do you think that I like it When I see not only LXA screwing up, but anyother Greek Organization screwing up that it makes me feel better!:(

Get a better writer!:rolleyes: OH, STFU, really Original!:o

Chicago prof woo woo!

-Rudey
--Edited to say prof, not alum :)

Re: To the Pi Kappa Alphas on this thread
 

They don't, and I'd venture to say that the vast majority of NIC Fraternities and most sororities too do not either (at least on an inter/national basis). The reason behind this is simple implementation. Each year, there are more than 10,000 undergraduate members of PiKA and the cost and time associated with implementing a total diversity/sensitivity training program would be too great.

As others have mentioned, I'd be all for having this chapter go through diversity/sensitivity training. I've been through some in my undergrad years and it has helped me to understand where others are coming from.

If they really are a bad chapter, then Pike needs to look at revoking their charter. Although I seriously doubt that asshole-ish behavior and racial insensitivity will get their charter revoked.

??? Who, Scalia? He was valedictorian at Georgetown and then went to Harvard Law.

Take him back woo woo!

Sorry, he was a prof here...not an alum.

-Rudey

Re: Re: To the Pi Kappa Alphas on this thread
 

This is a valid point. If every fraternity that behaved like assholes lost their charter, well, let's just say that a lot of schools in Wisconsin wouldn't have Greek systems anymore.

Re: Re: To the Pi Kappa Alphas on this thread
 

I meant a program specifically for risk management...not necessarily something that all chapters participate in all the time. If there were a standard program that chapters could use, it might be easier and quicker to deal with these situations. :)

If these idiots want to run around in Black face they deserve some type of punishment. Reprimanded, perhaps suspended, but let them keep their charter. The true punishment will be this ugly incident hanging over the heads of the chapter for the rest of its existence. Let a fool marinate in his own stupidity.

Wow political correctness strikes again... These guys behaved like idiots and made a stupid mistake. This does not warrant any action from their national, nor the school. What is being done to them is ridiculous.

But, of course, the University President, plays to the liberals and interest groups, and goes overboard. Hopefully the PIKE chapter will get this resolved.

As for sensitivity/diversity training...what a waste of time and money.

Oh, yeah and as for a "forum/discussion" that they all walked out of, I'd wager that they walked into a firestorm of crying, whining, and bitching, and that the whole thing was stacked against them with no balance.

wow

you're right..no amount of time and money could erase such stupidity such as this post.

I agree that in this case, sensativity training is a waste. If the University's administration feeling like you shouldn't be there anymore is the result of you doing something and you can't come to the conclusion that maybe you shouldn't do that... well you're just pretty thick. The taxpayers' money is spent better elsewhere.

These threads are always pretty predictable though. First, we always have the predictable reaction from liberals (who are usually pro-free speech when it makes them feel good) that these guys should be banned from campus, throw 'em in jail and lock away the key... (screw the constitution).

Then there are those that say, yeah, it was wrong, but stupidity is an American right. It's a public institution. The school can't do anything -- and shouldn't. It's all up to the private organization that governs this group.

There's also a third group that debates whether anyone should actually be getting bent out of shape over blackface. They seem to feel that it's 2004 and it's high time that we stopped walking on eggshells in regards to racial 'sensativity'.

Those are pretty much the battle lines... I've never seen anyone agree with someone from another group... We have the same conversation every couple of weeks or so... Y'all can check back to a previous blackface incident if you care what I think:D

In regards to this thread, it's 7 pages of people repeating themselves for the umpteenth time.

As far as the whole Compton debate, I'd just like to say that rap music and black cultural icons in America have done waaay more to villify that area than any news media organization could ever do. Average folks around the US don't watch CNN, but they do watch BET, MTV, etc... That's where they'll form their opinions about Compton.

Perhaps we wouldn't keep having these threads if people would learn how to conduct themselves properly and not in a manner that offends most decent people.

It's nice that you feel you are a spokesperson for "Average Folks Around the US," but I like to give people A LITTLE more credit than that. I see a lot of Caucasian people acting crazy and stupid on MTV (pick any show), but I certainly don't form my opinions about Caucasians on it. Come on! Most people can separate "TV Land" from "Reality."

What black cultural icons are you speaking of?????

I'm not sure who, but I think what he means is Black POP cultural icons.

Cultural icons to me would be Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, etc.

And as far as diversity training...you can lead a horse to water, etc. etc.

Well he would need to be more specific then b/c you and I are on the same page when it comes to our definitions of cultural icons.

Somebody that makes Compton look bad: Snoop Dogg. Dr. Dre.

There's two off the top of my head. We don't make judgments on all AfAm people based on that - just on Compton. I personally think it would be HILARIOUS if an NPHC frat held a party making fun of snotty white people.

That's horribly anti-fraternal! The NPHC org would be estranging itself from so many other great orgs instead of supporting Greek Unity.

By the way, Snoop and Dre are the "stage characters" not the real people. If we, as a viewing audience, would dig just a little, we'd see who these men really are. Snoop is married with children, for heaven's sake! Most performers are NOT what they portray on stage. They give us what we want so we are really to "blame" for the propagation of the hip-hop subculture (as well as all other music driven subcultures).

*Edited to correct spelling*

Hijack here

But Snoop Dogg is not someone anyone should look up to nor judge people based on his actions.
Just because Snoop Dogg is married with children doesn't make him a good person/role model.
His exploitation of women is enough to disgust me. And the women who let hom lead them around on leashes are jut as much at fault as he is.

Snoop Dogg can make anything look bad.

hijack/

Perpetuating the negative v.accentuating the positive
 

Indeed.

On performance v reality they make the choice to perpetuate an image. Now they can be like Will Smith and go one way... or they can go another way and glorify crime, murder, and violence to their impressionable fans.

If Compton is a good neighborhood, I'd like to know what's a bad neighborhood. Oh hey let's just say there are none.

-Rudey

someone correct me, but i don't think i'll be stretching it too far by saying none of the NPHC organizations would condone, let alone place their letters on an event like that. it's a safe bet that MY fraternity will NEVER do such a thing.

Damn.. I didn't know I was the "spokesperson" but since you feel the need to make smart ass comments like that, let me further define what I was saying. You don't have to agree with it. There's no proof either way. It's my personal view on things vs. yours. If you can factually prove it either way, feel free to make comments like that. Otherwise, in polite conversation, it's a good habit to keep a civil tongue, otherwise, your message never gets accross -- just your tone.

I think you'd agree, however, that the media forms many people's perceptions of reality. Your average American is not college educated (only about 20% of us are) and generally doesn't read the newspaper or even watch the news on TV. They do, however, view entertainment networks like TV Land, MTV, BET, etc...

While many wouldn't ever admit that these things form their opinions and habits, they absolutely do. We eat what we see on TV, we dress up like the people we see on TV, we even adopt the language spoken by people brought to us through media sources (fo shizzle). And yes, having Snoop Dog et al portraying Compton in their messages the way they do does form perceptions in the mind of mainstream America. Outside your "enlightened" sphere, how many people do you know that think Compton would be a great place to raise a family?

Ah Well, K, it has come to this?:(

You become a "LITTLE" Out Spoken and You become an Ass!:eek:

It is amazing how soon someone new comes on GC and decides that His/Hers Ideals are the Proper ones!

Well, You are an Ass!:) But, I think You have a nice Ass! You hold it so well!:cool:

Ah Well, I guess That Goes With Stardom on GC!:D

Hey Dude, You are In Anytime for me!:) OH, Scum Of The Oklahoma Earth!:)

Snoop Dogg isn't even from Compton. He's from LONG BEACH. (Just throwing in some hip-hop trivia for everyone :) )

FYI...if you didn't read the very first post I made about this issue in which I mentioned that I work directly with Compton Unified School District...I know a couple HUNDRED families who are PROUD to raise their kids in Compton. I work with several EDUCATED, SKILLED, HIGHLY-PAID professionals who have chosen to purchase not one, but multiple homes in Compton. That's how far this community has come in recent years.

And you are correct: my "sphere" is absolutely enlightened because I choose to surround myself with people who are open minded and willing to learn about other people in this world without making judgements about them.

Tom Earp, was that directed at me or ktsnake? :D

ETA: I'm kind of surprised that he is a moderator, calling someone an "ass" and all. Well, at least he called me "smart"! :)

just 'mo...just hella 'mo...

I'm gonna raise my family in Compton. We're gonna go for midnight picnics in Watts and propably send our children to boarding school in Tijuana.

-Rudey

Yeah, they just make their pledges walk around campus like ducks and tell me I didn't earn my letters. Way classier, guys. :p

HE SAYS HE IS STRAIGHT OUT OF COMPTON.

To me, that means he's from Compton.

Unless I'm mixing up my songs, and I could be, Ice Cube claimed to be straight out of compton. Snoop has always claimed Long Beach. Regardless what does ANY of that have to do with people showing up to an ill themed party in blackface? And starang is right, most of the D9 orgs will have themed parties but none that are offensive to anyone else unless someone is suddenly feeling threatened by being labeled "old school." And if you see someone's pledges walking around like ducks you may want to report that to the Greek Life office.

No, that would be the late Eric "Eazy E" Wright who rapped "Straight Outta Compton." :)

ETA: Ice Cube represents Inglewood, although he was part of NWA with Eazy E.

Well, I guess I should have watched more MTV as a young child.

And we "don't know" who they're pledging because their uniforms don't make it totally obvious or anything.

Take this verse from a song by Compton's Most Wanted entitled "This is Compton". I'd wager that this is a pretty typical portrayal of Compton as seen in pop-culture media outlets:

"Fresh off the streets from the underground
Nick-named mc eiht, black brother gets down
Came to dazzle with the hip-hop funk
To let em know (this is compton) now what's up, punk
Westside rulin all world cause i dump
And the city that i'm from take no shit from a chump
Niggas don't care if their enemy's beefin
Pretty soon it's a homie you're grievin
You entered the criminal zone
If you're just a little punk-ass fool, you should run on home
Try to compare? get real
I'm from compton, so you should know the deal
Ballers, skeezers, no age limit matters
Loced-out muthafuckas make the one time scatter
Toe to toe, draw my mic and start dumpin
It's the down mc eiht, and fool, this is compton

(this is compton)"

As for reality.... Here are some crime rate statistics from 2002 that might be of interest (link)

As you can see, in nearly every category Compton FAR exceeds the national average (strangely in every category except larceny/thefts). Some interesting stats off the page if you don't want to check would be murders per 100,000 people. Compton has 53.65 in 2002 (how you have .65 people murdered I have no idea :D) where the national average was only 5.2. Aggravated Assaults are also popular there as there were 1239 reported per 100,000 vs. the national average of 310.1. This is based on the combined data of the FBI and US Census.

I realize those figures are a little dated. However, maybe there is some truth to the media's portrayal after all? There may be professionals and straight-A students living there. Hell, they may even make up the majority of the folks.

I through out the Snoop reference not necessarily because of his portrayal of Compton but to demonstrate how influential pop-icons can be to our culture. A few rap artists that actually do refer to Compton in their lyrics are Compton's Most Wanted, NWA, DJ Qwik, BG Knock Out & Dresta -- just a few names. NONE of their portrayals are posititve. Aditionally, some of them actually do claim to hail from Compton.

I never referred to my own perception. I was referring to a general perception. I made my "enlightened sphere" comment to illustrate that if you walk around some suburban town in L.A. and try to sell real-estate in Compton at a great price, you probably won't find too many takers. The perception out there is that it's not a safe place. The perception is shaped mostly by pop culture & reinforced by news media. Based on my quick research, I'm not sure they're completely missing the boat here.

I'm sure there are fine people out there in Compton, but you'll have to excuse me if I think I'd rather raise my family in Suburban Oklahoma.

(here are the crime stats for my home town if you're interested)