Sadly, that's the ugly truth. Some people may NOW be desperate enough to take them, though (which could be one of the other reasons why this is an issue now :rolleyes: ).

Thank God, I finally got through this whole thread!:o

At some point in time, we were all aliens from other places. A Given.

Over the years, many year things have changed!

Most USA Citizens are taught by rules and regualtions place by our Duely Elected Morons who preport to take care of us that the wages will go up. There will be more welfare for the poor down trodened people who wont get off of their asses and work because is is easier to get welfare and foodstamps.

So, let us use the Lowly illegal aliens who sneak across the border for the Peon jobs of picking lettuce and grapes or what ever job that the Normal Lazy Ass American wont do! Lets give them the same staus as Tax paying Americans, free schools, health care, benefits that poor Americans cannot afford to get because they are to damn lazy to do the job.

Well, because of all of this, the price of everything keeps going up because of the wage increase by the unions who are looking out for their workers. Da, Talk about a catch 22!
:mad:

I love you Tom:) :)

Ok, no more because like I said, I'm too biased and now you know to which side.

Thank You AFROG:)

Before I was so rudley interupted by PMs for Drama and having typoed to may words, I go on!

Hell, lost my train of thought!:(

If one remembers Kuwait when Sadammit Huassain invaded them and we had the Gulf War, the Kuwaities had nothing but Oil Money! Everything was Hired out to Aliens to That Country!:eek:

Now, how many rich Mothers/Brothers/Sisters do you have in Your Organizations who dont have to work for the privilage of being a member of Your Said Organization! Not me!:(

Enough of this I am a Mexican or a Cubano or etal, who will work kfor pitence before I turn to drugs or stealing!

Depend on our duly elected morons to take care of us, yep they will take care of them selves first on our backs!:mad:

And on another note...out of one side of my mouth I'll say let's stop sending our jobs overseas while out the other side I'll say let's give all the jobs to the illegal immigrants in the country....

DA, when was the last time you saw anything but Mexicans working on a roofing crew? Ever seen a home construction company in Texas? The fact is that many US citizens are content to live off what the system pays them for doing nothing. These workers from south of the border are interested in working no matter what it pays.

The problem I have is that many pay no taxes. Also, the employers should be required to provide healthcare. These folks have killed many hospitals near the border.

You people have such a bad grasp of economics. There is a reason why so many are here illegally and most of it has to do with a demand for cheap labor that cannot be performed outside of the country. You want to know how to stop them from coming in? Start providing them with healthcare, unions, higher wages, and everything else that would come as a right of being a US citizen. Then see how long employers will want to keep them.

-Rudey

No question. And I still can't find the rose colored glasses.

The joke going around when our new home was being built was that someone started a rumor that INS was on the way, and every home in the complex lost a day of work.

Since I visited the site pretty much daily, I can tell you that, with the exception of plumbers and electricians, there wasn't much English being spoken.

People act as if these jobs should be given to US citizens and they don't understand the control over who gets the jobs is with the employers - the ones who want to pay you pennies on the dollar, be able to cut you with no notice, give you zero benefits. You don't see our poor leaving the country for Mexico to work the fields. Because our poor have become accustomed to the social benefits this country provides.

-Rudey

Yeah, I agreed with you in the post before your last. Still, in a perfect world...

Which this one will never be, of course.

Hi I'm like you.

I can write small just like you!

-Rudey
--Splendid! :D

I think folks are suffering from NIMBY around here, and that's preventing them from having an objective viewpoint.

Hell must have frozen over (it's cold enough), 'cause this isn't the first time this week I've agreed with Rudey.

First, how many illegal Canadians are sneaking into the US?

Second, the problems can be solved by invading Mexico and having it become part of the US!

Ship our Oil, Water, Electricity, Law Inforcement, and Poloticians there to really straighten out Mexico!

I just love the fact that a VW plant is finally stopping production of the 1970s model VW!:)

Try to find something made in the USA! My plastic sacks and pipe screens are made in China! Hell, we dont even get along with them!:(

I'm still amazed that I agree with Rudey's sentiments

Ok, I have to jump in for just 1 comment:

I still think even if employers had to offer Mexicans full benefits/salaries etc, I still think may of them would still hire Mexican becase Americans are LAZY! Yes, we are, most Americans are LAZY! (Yes, I know I said it twice)

Yes, Americans are terribly lazy.

The way I see it, if someone who came to this country illegally is willing to do the work native-born Americans shirk at, they should receive the benefits of working. I worked near a hotel one summer, and the cleaning people were illegal immigrants (they came here from the Czech Republic), and they did work that the citizens did not want to do.

Considering the fact that Americans work harder than any other nation when it comes to jobs and surpass the Japanese easily now, the fact that anyone can say Americans are lazy shows they are not only uneducated and ignorant but plain ol' retarded.

Replace Americans with Mexicans and let's see who screams racism.

-Rudey
--Stupid comments.

First I'd like to thank dzrose93 because if you hadn't cleaned out your mailbox I would not have read all of this. With your situation, have you tried going to the Dept. of Housing or Building and Zoning? If people have been renting out their homes without getting proper permits,property is in disrepair, or you see more people coming out of the house than a clown car at the circus report the property owners. I don't know how it works in Atlanta but for the city of Chicago and Cook County there are buidling inspectors who come out to properties and check to make sure situations like this don't occur. They can and will impose fines, court costs, and in extreme cases seizure of property. My parents are in real estate and I've shared the joy of screening prospective tenants, and having to explain why exactly we don't rent a one bedroom to a party of seven. Good luck.

Rudey, let me say that your posts on page 6 are right on the money. If I knew how to post quotes, I would have used yours.

Since Bush has announced this incentive program for illegals, I'm not happy. Local TV news featured local city Latin American alderman and an illegal Mexican teenager whining why she's not allowed to go the college of her choice because of her illegal status. WTF?? INS should have snatched her up and sent her back to her original country. Game over. Chicago Sun-Times featured a story about how illegal elderly Russians immigrants anmesty time is running out to become American citizens by a certain date or risk deportation. The complaint is the test is too hard and learning English is difficult. Can't figure it out? Here's a one way ticket expenses paid. I don't care if an illegal came from north,south, east, west by plane,train, or automobile if you are here illegally, I don't care if you don't want to go home but you sure as hell aren't staying here.

My parents immigrated to the United States in 1967. Because of the quota system in place, they had to wait two years before they could enter this country. Back then you had to have a sponsor. There was a government background check done on the sponsor. They would be financially responsible for you until you obtained employment. They became American citizens. They learned to speak English. My parents worked very hard for what they have today.In the beginning they worked at jobs no one wanted but they were legally. Legal immigrants are what made this country what is today. If you have an opportunity, you should go to a swearing in ceremony for new citizens, it's amazing.To live here is a priveledge(sp?) not a right.

The government has gotten very lax on who gets to come here. Not every country is as permissive as the United States. I say bring back the quota system, sponsorship requirements, stricter visa requirements for who is allowed to visit this country, temporarily work here and for foreign students who want to study here.

If companies were given extreme economic penalties and have the CEO's serve long jail sentences, they would think twice about advertising to illegals across the border.

And for whoever said Americans are lazy, there are just as many lazy American born as there are any other ethnic background. And for whoever applauded just the Mexicans, there is such a majority that are here who refuse to learn English. Some of them know they don't want to become American citizens. They want to work here temporarily so they don't bother. It is such a circumstance that public signs are written in English and Mexican only, bilingual classes are created exclusively for their children in public schools, and other perks are given to them that aren't for any other ethnic background. If you're going to do that for one ethnic group then equal the playing field and do it for all.

Amerians are not too lazy to do the work. They just don't want to do the work for $1.75 per hour and then share a bed with 10 guys named Jose. Who do you think did those jobs before the illegals got here?

Food for thought
 

IMHO, people might be getting upset about this proposal a little too early.
One of my web clients is an immigration attorney. She had me put the following up last night:

As you might be aware, yesterday President Bush proposed a temporary worker program that would be open to new foreign workers and to the undocumented men and women currently employed in the U.S.
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This is a brief summary of what this new proposed legislation is and is not:

· This is simply a conceptual proposition made by the President to Congress;
· The President has not presented this proposition in writing to the Congress;
· Congress has not approved this proposition;
· Congress must draft this proposition and present it to the president for his approval and signature;
· There is no written bill;
· THIS IS NOT A LAW;
· There is no Guest Worker Program in place at this time;
· This is NOT an amnesty.

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The above is an excerpt. You can see the whole thing here:
http://www.anayancyimmigration.com/notice1_9_04.htm

The thought of just throwing away the penalties for illegal *anything* (immigration or whatever) gives me the heebie-jeebies. But I don't think it's time to panic just yet......

Adrienne

OMG i think i love you. mostly b/c your name is wrigley and that means you obviously love the cubs ;) but also because you just said EXACTLY what i was thinking, only better.

i totally cosign this!!

Agree with you 100%, but one correction needs to be made:

Ahem... there is NO such language as Mexican - it's Spanish with a Mexican accent/dialect! :) I speak fluent Spanish (with a Venezuelan accent/dialect) and have a hard time understanding the Mexican dialect (especially the northern Mexican one, which is the equivalent of our Southern accent, really thick.)

To be fair, they get these perks because our educational system is fairly well-grounded in reality. How often do they get students that speak russian, french, etc.? Many Americans are bilingual with Spanish, so these folks can be accomodated. In the school district that I'm in here in Oklahoma, they have ESL classes for all non-english speakers before they get to go to regular school.

If a Mexican immigrant wants to receive an education and become a productive, tax paying citizen, I'm all for it. When about 80-90% of your immigrants come for one place you just have to treat the situation differently.

Now as far as accomodations for ILLEGAL immigrants. Hell, as soon as anyone find you're illegal, you're on the bus back home in my opinion. Allowing these kids to use our schools or any other public service is a damned crime against society.

Embracing Illegals
 

Embracing Illegals

By Brian Grow, with Adrienne Carter and Roger O. Crockett in Chicago and Geri Smith in Mexico City
BusinessWeek Online

Companies are getting hooked on the buying power of 11 million undocumented immigrants.

Inez and Antonio Valenzuela are a marketer's dream. Young, upwardly mobile, and ready to spend on their growing family, the Los Angeles couple in many ways reflects the 42 million Hispanics in the U.S. Age 30 and 29, respectively, with two daughters, Esmeralda, 8, and Maria Luisa, 2 months, the duo puts in long hours, working 4 p.m. to 2 a.m., six days a week, at their bustling streetside taco trailer. From a small sidewalk stand less than two years ago, they built the business into a hot destination for hungry commuters. The Valenzuelas (not their real name) bring in revenue well above the U.S. household average of $43,000, making them a solidly middle-class family that any U.S. consumer-products company would love to reach.

But Inez and Antonio aren't your typical American consumers. They're undocumented immigrants who live and work in the U.S. illegally. When the couple, along with Esmeralda, crossed the Mexican border five years ago, they had little money, no jobs, and lacked basic documents such as Social Security numbers. Guided by friends and family, the couple soon discovered how to navigate the increasingly above-ground world of illegal residency. At the local Mexican consulate, the Valenzuelas each signed up for an identification card known as a matrícula consular, for which more than half the applicants are undocumented immigrants, according to the Pew Hispanic center, a Washington think tank. Scores of financial institutions now accept it for bank accounts, credit cards, and car loans. Next, they applied to the Internal Revenue Service for individual tax identification numbers (ITINS), allowing them to pay taxes like any U.S. citizen -- and thereby to eventually get a home mortgage.

Today, companies large and small eagerly cater to the Valenzuelas -- regardless of their status. In 2003 they paid $11,000 for a used Ford Motor Co. van plus $70,000 more for a gleaming new 30-foot trailer that now serves as headquarters and kitchen for their restaurant. A local car dealer gave them a loan for the van based only on Antonio's matrícula card and his Mexican driver's license. Verizon Communications Inc. also accepted his matrícula when he signed up for cell-phone service. So did a Wells Fargo & Co. branch in the predominantly Hispanic neighborhood in northeast Los Angeles where they live. Having a bank account allows them to pay bills by check and build up their savings. Their goal: to trade up from a one-bedroom rental to their own home. Eventually, they also hope to expand their business by buying several more trailers. Matrícula holders like the Valenzuelas are "bringing us all the money that has been under the mattress," says Wells Fargo branch manager Steven Contreraz.


Read The Rest Here

Was our economy devestated before the illegals?

Was our economy defestated in the 50's and 60's? Back in the day when blue collar workers could afford to send their kids to college, own their own home, own a vacation home and retire as millionares?

i was in el paso one summer and was driving pretty much right on the border. i saw mexico on one side and the united states on the other. i was like "this is too easy to cross" since there were no patrols.

in my opinion, illegals should not be here. sure they do the jobs most americans dont want, but you still have legal immigrants that dont have jobs and would probably do the work.

Re: Deport the Illegals!!
 

both sides are terribly misguided. there are so many illegal immigrants crossing the border from Mexico because that country is having a civil war.

I think the U.S. and Canada should work together to bring stability back to North America.

REAL WORLD I KNOW IT WOULD DEVASTATE US FINANCIALLY BUT..........
Living in So california where there is tons upon tons of illegals here i say boot them back home....i have no pity for them and quite honestly I am fed up with them taking everything that we work hard for

I dont agree with them receiving driver lic's----if your not a citizen you dont deserve a lic.

I dont believe in them recieving welfare---why should they recieve it when we have our own living in shelters without a roof over ther heads or medical attention these ILLEGALS are receiving and steeling from our own

i dont believe in educating the children it only gives them more chances to rob our assists and gain stronger footing on our land ....when i was born and raised here and their type get priority Financial aid or priority registration over me and they boost about it....it is a disgrace to our country and disprepectful to our citizens to over look us and give to these ILLEGAL aliens


and lastly.....this is america buddy speak the ENGLISH LANGUAGE or go back home to some fricken country you belong too!


AT THE REQUEST OF A SISTER I RESPECT I CHANGED A TERM i USED AND IT MEANT NO DISPRESPECT TO ANY SISTER OR BROTHER OF ANY GLO ON HERE MOST IMPORANTLY AN ALPHA PHI....I AM NOT RACIST BY ANY MEANS AND TAKE GREAT OFFENSE MYSELF TO YOU WHO CALLED ME THAT AND IF I CONTINUE TO BE CALLED THAT THAN YOU DO NOT KNOW ME AT ALL.

So, you think you speak English?

So you're saying that someone who transfered to the US from, say Australia shouldn't get a driver's licence either? Say they live in the suburbs with their husband/wife and kids and need to get to town to work.

What about international students and those legally working in the States (businessmen, diplomats, engineers, etc, etc)?

In neither of the two above cases would the person likely be illegal. If transferred here for work from Australia, getting a work visa should be relatively easy. If here studying from abroad, you get a student visa which is automatic.

I think what she's objecting to is illegal immigrants that consume our public services without making contributions to them.

I feel the same as you.....has anyone been to South Florida lately? Miami mainly? Little Havana isnt even full of Cubans anymore....it's all hondurans and guatamalens. They all seems the same if you're just glancing at them......Most of them need to go back to where they came from. Most of those people don't even have the decency to speak english. And they actually have the nerve to talk shit about you in spanish right there in front of you thinking you don't understand them.

Its kind of like those muslims who go back to pakistan and listen to their sheiks say horrible things and radical ideas about the very country/people that support those idiots and enable them to have a life. Those people come back to the west and next thing you know they all hate us and want to destroy us but LOOOOOOVE making that money here. I say kick their broke asses back in the ocean and if they come here....send them to Gitmo.

If she said that an individual illegally in the country dont deserve a license, that's one thing. However, she didn't say that. Her exact word, "if your not a citizen you dont deserve a lic."

how about we just deport the dumb people?

I SAID if you are not a citizen you dont serve a lic( ense) i just abbreiviated-enough said! and i stand by what i said that they dont desrve licenses, welfare , or anything---- they only deserve a one way ticket back home to their own countires

No i said if your here illegally
i did not say someone who is here on legitimate businesss who filed proper papers to be here with her husband and kids vs the ones who come over the border from mexico thru cargo tubes crawling over the border etc...... BIg difference and fromthe lloks of it others agree too


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Wow. Just wow. I can't believe someone would post something like this. Wetbacks? Are you going to use the "N" word next?

I don't see what jobs people who are in this country illegally take from "us" -- do you want to go do yardwork for 12 hours a day for less than minimum wage? I mean maybe that's your area of expertise so you are missing out on exciting employment opportunities, but I seriously doubt it.

OH SNAP I didn't even see "wetback." Damn...did someone get into the PCP again?

If speaking English is a requirement for living here...someone's going to be deported soon! Nyah nyah nyah...