Cashmoney,

I think it's great that you are expressing your opinions and bring stuff to our attention. But if they are so serious then I suggest talking with the person directly, or even John. Otherwise people don't know who you're referring to specifically and then there is speculation and drama.

I'm sorry if I upset you. End of discussion on my part.

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Well I'm sorry that I don't act in accordance to your beliefs, but I can't change the way you feel, I don't know if I really want to. But I know that this is your opinon that you are expressing and it's now how GC as a whole feels.

To be honest, I'd consider things had I had the chance to know who you really are, but you couldn't even do that for us so I really can't take what you say with much weight.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

I love how we have threads on GC saying that we don't like nonmembers wearing our letters or people who have deactivated. But it's ok for somebody on GC who you don't even know in real life most of the time, to take the letters that you cherish and call them their own? Cool. Real cool.

And no Kath and I are NOT the same person. She wishes she was as cool as I am. :cool: By the way I am with you 100% on blocking that certain mod. ;)

I luv Kath, and I luv Kiki, but they are two separate girly crushes for me, lol. That is verifiable.


(Was that actually a rumor??? GHEY.)

We do not like Blaine!:(

But, He Is Our Blane and only Our Blaine!:cool:

For a new Thread, this has gotten totally DAH!

Yo BlaINE bRO, iS isT jUST me? Shit caps lock on a gain!

How Ya Doing

Din Din Calling !:p

And what's scary to us all, is that there is a GC heirarchy and THIS guy is at the top of it :D

Watch out there Earpman!

Kitso
KS 361 times i can't believe i left the Earpman's house without gettin any tobacco samples :D

Where have I been and why don't I know about this?! I'd love to be enlightened.

AXjules and Hootie, pm's coming to the both of you.

as would i!

that was some different drama, but i always liked the guy, and his banning shouldn't have anything to do with this discussion (esp b/c he's been kicking it cool)

Hey, I've been talking with him online so I wasn't making it an issue :)

You have another pm, hootie.

wow, i can't believe people actually take GC so seriously.

do i care if certain people get better treatment than others? heck no. it's a website. a website i choose to look at, not am forced to look at. we're not in school where all students have to be treated fairly. we're on the internet where nothing is as it seems. i can't believe people actually take the time to research threads to compare whether all people are treated the same.

just behave yourself and you shouldn't EVER have a problem. i've been here for several years and haven't once had a problem with anyone. and noone (that i know of!! :D ) has had one with me either. because i keep my nose clean and post things respectfully. i have strong opinions, and i have them often. but i try my hardest to post them in a good way.

just behave.

Blaine, let's be honest. You know I was soooo ready to rip you a new asshole. hahahahahaha. I <3 YOOOOOOOU, you whore!

That should be a lesson.

I don't think two people on this site hated eachother more and attacked eachother more and look now? We are like evil buddies!

Gimme my Jalapeno Cheddar Doritos!

You said I'd get it...well, you'll get your damn chips when I get it....FOO.

I dunno. I was about to march myself down to Texas to show that silly AggieSigmaNu who was who ;) And look at us now? I'm even rooting for his home team...well sorta, not when they go up against Nebraska in a few weeks :p

Then there's me who's neither from Texas OR Nebraska...and I already told Aaron I don't look good in Red...and whatever A&M's colors are. What to do...what to do?

i definitely feel like i have had to work my way up in the GC crowd. i actually did feel like crap when i first came here. but i am now starting to feel some sort of acceptance.
so i do think there is a hieracrchy on greek chat. it doesnt have to be bad. but what can you do? there are a number of people here that have been on GC forever. of course they would be 'up there' with the cliques (for lack of a better word)

It's okay OTW! We have black Nebraska Blackshirt shirts~!

WOW, THESE FREAKIN POSTS ARE SO LONG. CAN YOU PLEASE LIMIT TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY TO 20 WORDS OR LESS SO I CAN READ THEM?

THX

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Having actually exchanged pithy comments with the KKK and having one them think differently has taught me how to verbally knock tha pluck out a mutha...

So, if you are unable to justify your comments to your audience no matter who they are, then you have issues with your frame of reference and state of mind...

You just cannot say anything without backup... That makes you a bullishter... Folks find out about that then you are discovered who you really are--an educated fool or a fool that has been educated... Either way, your chit stinks...

Tone of a written argument is detected by the slang and epithets one throws...

Basically, if you dish it out, you gotta take it back...

Or

Those who live in glass houses ought not throw stones...

And hey, now there are some dayum funny folks up in heearh that just are crackin' me up...

And whatever happened to James OMTG??? He's skrait ballin'...

And Rainman has always been able to twist my sorors' panties in a bunch...

And damasa has rolled thru and drived by my Sorority's board a couple of times...

But if you ain't got no true da life curse a MF owt kinna sistah... Then hey, life has blessed you...

But sometimes, sometimes--well, hey my kin folks use to call it the dozens...

to all the people of greek chat-
i hearby propose a new gc rule that says all posts should be at least 21 words long.....

i hearby propose a new gc rule that says all of smileys post be deleted...IMMEDIATELY

haha. you know you love me:p

YAY! Didja get your tickets yet? [/hijack]

I think Tom Earp is cashmoney and has been pullling our chains about not beng able to spell;) :D

Zoinks, Yo
 

I've been accused of being too strict on posts and too lenient, but never been seen as one of the 'nice' moderators. Maybe the demands of law school and business ownership have softened me some. Interesting. Today is a strange day indeed.

I'm not stepping in to the drama, 'cause I gotta lotta Civ Pro to read, however, I'd like to make a few statements. The following statements are my opinions only, and not indicative of GC, any other moderator, or anyone else in the universe.

1. I am not CashMoney. I have been asked twice now and I'm answering for anyone who's curious. I post as ZetaAce only.

2. If you have a problem with Chit Chat - the way it's being run, one of your posts is missing, etc. please feel free to PM me. 99% of the time I respond to PMs.

3. If you think some people are getting more slack than others b/c their posts are never deleted, there's is a good chance that it hasn't been reported. I can't (and honestly, won't) read every thread on Chit Chat. I read the threads that interest me, and the the threads where a post is reported.

4. Back in the day I used to PM a person everytime I deleted one of their posts. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to do that anymore. If your post was deleted, you can assume one of the following:[list=a][*]Your post was reported -> I felt it was out of the bounds of good taste ->I hit delete[*]Your post quoted or referred to a post the was out of the bounds of good taste[*]I screwed up and deleted the wrong post (I've done it before, don't be shocked if I do it again)[/list=a]

You should not assume that I am playing favorites. There are only a few people on here that talk to me on a regular basis via IM or something else.

5. Again, feel free to PM/IM/email me with concerns. Or any of the other moderators.

6. Report posts! Just because you report something, doesn't mean it will get deleted, but I will at least look at it!

7. Finally, and this is the most important, feel free to go over my head! I won't mind or care. You should get the most out of your GC experience (if that's your thing) so if you feel like I'm a big meanie or just generally unresponsive, then I'm sure John would not mind hearing your concerns.

I'm sure the other moderators will throw in their 2 cents if they read this.

As always, I welcome feedback via PM/IM/Email. :)

ZA

Oh my dayum there's friggin secret alliances going on here!!! I will say one thing, that's it, i'm pretty sure that cashmere is a two headed monster.

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Just out of curiousity who is this referring to?? (I didn't understand.)

Dionysus, that is verrrrrrrry interesting! It's all coming together...

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Not sure, but might have been about an exchange between me and a couple other posters -- which some Mod, in a very quick show of intelligence and good taste chose to delete.

Thankfully.

LOL proves I didn't understand...

I thought they were talking about either certain mods backing up what they say, or anyone in this thread (including me).
Confused am I........

I left the house this morning and I return to a large new thread!
 

Firstly, "cashmoney" - re making such a thread 'about' me (or rather referencing me) :rolleyes: I will admit I was not best pleased. I am forced somewhat to post under my own name as you have already chose to bring me into it in the first few lines of your post. You did not choose to identify yourself! But here are my thoughts anyway. Oh, one last thing I have used some names below - since anyone who browses the boards will know what I’m referring to anyway it’d just be an insult to people’s intelligence to do so otherwise. Cashmoney, I agree with some sentiments in your post which is not to say I endorse it all!

Firstly in reference to this "fight". Just so you know, to give you the background - I bumped the GreekChat Crush thread with a post, my post contained something like "It's all about page 54". That remark was a gently humorous play on page 66 of that aforementioned thread which had dialog ending with "It's all about page 66 baby!" or similar. Thus, me saying "[no!] it's page 54 baby" - (page 54 being my own on-topic post for that thread) was just a jokey reference to another post. All a throwaway comment that was scarcely worth talking about. Sadly this was taken a particular way or something was read into it that was lost on me. Sadder still some people chose to "applaud" the animosity... fortunately those later people were members I could use the Ignore feature on. (As an aside I wouldn’t say it was just a picture, it was a comment made by a picture). This particular exchange was, however, just another occurrence of the type of thing you describe, cashmoney. And I realise this hierarchy thread was created about a broad issue not a thread.

Unfortunately when I or others feel attacked or jumped upon for no reason at all - that I/they can see - especially more than once, it is darn difficult to 'be the better man' and ignore it, more so if the same people are involved. Re the instigator comment, it can certainly occur that some people do pick holes in posts where perhaps there weren’t any. REAL flame posts subtle or not can be seen a mile off, harmless on topic posts should not be treated with the same contempt.
_ Some members can be ignored (via a setting), some cannot. And they know this.

I have thought in the past that there is a certain double standard or at least greater emphasis on rules being applied to some people than others. There are either Rules. Or there are not.
As for the idea that to blindly apply ALL the rules at ALL costs at ALL times would be draconian and restricting, well no I am not saying that every post should be checked by a mod with the rules in their hand, I am merely saying that I sometimes get a sense that there are people who openly flout the rules while berating others for not following them. I also see on a daily basis posts for which one member would be vilified but when another member posts such items it's "different". In other words there has to be discretion and common sense; I just tend to think sometimes that certain members get a whole heap of discretion!

I have seen situations, where someone either falls "out of favor" with the mods or who comes back (perhaps after banning) - that person might either be "pushed" with inflammatory comments by mods until s/he retaliates and that retaliation is held up as evidence of how terrible that member is. Personally I have noticed of late my threads and others, being jumped upon by certain members, regardless of which forum.
To give my own current thoughts on the banning topic... as I mention they are my own, the actual act of banning can only be performed by one person. However, as was pointed out there is naturally discussion between the moderators themselves and between them and John, I think the amount of weight they carry in such a decision being made might be being played down by some of them in this thread.
As far as returned banned members go, I can think of at least one other person who is around and was in the past banned. Quote: Some people get banned and have posts deleted because they say things that shouldn't have been said. I know one of the times pike was banned, after it was a mass buildup, he said "fat rice eating mouth" to a girl that was asian [unquote]. Now that sort of remark is not called for. That is without question bannable. However, the subsequent screen-name of this person sverige **in and of itself ** did not say anything similar (rest assured if he had I would have had said something on principle :p ). Yet this screenname was banned for posts that were they made by other members might not have resulted in a banning? As not all "returned members" are banned summarily then therefore the conduct of the new screen name is considered; I think though some are "considered" more than others. I don’t type this with a tear rolling down my cheek mumbling “poor little critter never had a chance” I just think that sure he was (in the sverige incarnation if it was him) sexist, opinionated, not very politically correct or subtle **but nor are some other members!**. Again, clear racism (for example) is a different kettle of fish and banning/shooting is a good step. ;)

For all the pm John comments, hmm. I do not doubt John Hammell's professionalism or ability to manage issues. However, to take a hypothetical scenario if a mod or two were to take a dislike to someone and hypothetically start a mini campaign and mud-slinging match about them on a moderator forum, other mod-members may be persuaded by their arguments. The animosity would spill over onto the general boards too. Eventually that person after being lambasted by all corners would be in a situation where relations had broken down and arguments would be everywhere. Were John to then look at the issue re banning, he would obviously ask the moderators first in the course of looking into it. I certainly get a sense the mods team together. How fair would or could the process be? And yes, I have heard of the voting mentioned in this thread. Some of the remarks in this thread seem almost to suggest some mods “lobby” against particular members?
I - and this is not an attack - wonder the level of impact a concern raised can have. There is no quick/easy way to write an open letter to the moderators, contacting one (not involved in the issue) is not fair on them, etc. I don’t doubt his ability to look into issues but, returning to the hypothetical scenario above, faced with one user vs. a team of mods advocating a different view?!?

I have seen far far too much of "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT LEAVE" type remarks. :( That does work particularly well in five year old world but a blank refusal to examine ones behaviour is, unfortunate. Naturally there are limits to that. Commenting on a neighborhood one lives in does not always mean that one dislikes it/all the residents or wants to leave. I happen to stay here because I have an interest in the central theme of the board (i.e. I’m in an interest group which plans to - and is set up to - petition a GLO), I do not nor have not come here expressly to cause trouble. Any posts clearly attacking another have only ever been retaliatory/reactive (where made against me) or are made toward another post so contentious that to not speak up would be for me, wrong. Even when I defend myself… there are obviously lines I do not cross such as bringing that person’s affiliation into it to take a pop at them personally. If someone is prepared to follow a few rules on a private forum and is interested in its subject(s) then they may stay but the next person should also be subject to the same rules without ability to make like it or leave remarks following lack of concern for any rules.

In this post many times I have used the term moderators/mods - a plural term. There are many forum moderators here, the vast, vast majority do a difficult job which offers little reward, without complaint or incident and with outstanding success. There are a minority who on occasion act in a way that makes me uncomfortable.

Out of curiosity, why is blatant sexism acceptable when blatant racism is clearly not?

I will be...I'm waiting for my friend and her fiancee to decide cuz then we'll all tailgate...maybe we'll be able to meet up too!!!!!

I never said it was acceptable. If your supposition is that it is not then all well and good. Sexism is not an endangered species on here. And those members who cultivate it occupy different positions in the supposed hierarchy. :).

But when UFPike posts something racist, he deserves to be banned, but when Sverige repeatedly posts things that are sexist and degrading to women, he doesn't?

I'm not trying to start a fight, I just don't get the logic.

It's hard to comment without knowing if you mean certain posts/comments of course. It also depends on the spirit in which it is meant. I think my post confused, I wasn't suggesting he should or shouldn't be banned. Just saying that he was. And presumably for certain posts. And that others who make similar posts, are not banned.
"I'm not trying to start a fight, I just don't get the logic." Ditto!