I can only speak for my community and trust me its not enough. Don't get me wrong I am proud of the achievements of the African American community but trust me when I say its still not enough. Once again I'm speaking on how things look on my side of the fence.

you all are attacking each other, and now attacking me for disagreeing.
point 1

someone was expressing the opinion merely that since the man is dead it is not in the best taste call someone a name and you told him (who has been alive much longer than you i'm guessing) that he cannot express his own opinion about your comment.

point 2
another attack, this time on the moderator who was doing what he/she thought appropriate under the circumstances. i am not saying that the post should have been deleted but i do believe that you are being unreasonable.

point 3
this was inappropriate as well. no one should be calling anyone racist. the perosn who made this comment was my sister and i respect her but i do think this was uncalled for.

point 4
rude, that is all i have to say. just rude

point 5
that makes it sound like the person was trying to treat me as if i was a two year old.

please check the anger at the door and now let's get back to the reason we're all here.

Oh, Puhleeze. So, bascially you just want a sugary-sweet, We Are The World type discussion? What good is any of it if you can't say what's on your mind. I didn't see one "attack" in anything you posted. It's called debating, disagreeing, dialouging (don't think that's a word, but still). I guess I just have a thick skin and unless someone calls me out of my name or physically threatens me, it's all fair game. "Attack" is such a funny word to use over the internet.

This thread has gotten way off track from it's original purpose. This thread should be locked (well, it should of been locked three pages ago but that's a different story.

Ditto. My mama always told me that if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, so....

No comment.

With that logic, that post nor Bamboozled posts should of never been made.

I'm sure we could ask a mod, but I'm pretty sure Bamboozled's post was deleted because it used the n-word (which is 100% a nono in any situation) straight out and not somehow censored. It's not a matter of opposing viewpoints, just inappropriate language. Moderators, any comment???

On the contrary. Bamboozled said exactly what I wanted to say, but chose not to because (1) I knew how this thread would quickly devolve into mudslinging and accusations and (2) the less said about ol' Stromy, the better.

Don't forget how this thread quickly did devolve into mudslinging and accusations, and the quickest way to get ol' Stromy off everyones minds is to simply let this thread go into the sunset into the no-mans land of threads after the first page...

With this mudslinging, you are simply keeping the focus of ol' Stromy on everyones minds.

Docet, sweetie, I'm not slinging any mud. Didn't you see where I said "No comment"?

Actually, the post that had the "n word" in it was KEPT. It was one that was free and exempt of anything worthy of censorship....

That's right. There are others just like him left in the world and everyone has their day. Not many people will leave a legacy of wine and roses behind on this earth. His "legacy" is one that cannot and will not be forgotten or pushed off "into the sunset." Keep it on your mind because as long as I'm alive, I will fight to change what his "legacy" has has done to my people.

Um, and there are STILL people in the US House and Senate who voted against the Civil Rights Act.

Not too many left, but a few.

I can't believe some of the stuff that's being said here. If you're not black, why the hell are you trying to tell black people how they should feel about Strom Thurmond's death? IMO that's extremely, extremely invalidating.

Just because something happened 50 years ago doesn't make irrelevant. It still happened. And I certainly don't feel that appointing one black person to some committee makes up in any way for the fact that Thurmond actively campaigned for the deaths of blacks and against them acquiring any sort of rights.

Just because the feeling of the day among white Americans was generally anti-black doesn't excuse his behavior, either. The longest filibuster record was set when he was trying to prevent the passage of the Civil Rights Act -- which means there must have been a decent amount of Americans who wanted to see people of different races have equal rights, or else the Civil Rights Act would have never been proposed in the first place.

Edited to add: I agree with Honeykiss -- if this thread was meant to be ONLY for those paying their respects to Strom, it should have been labeled such in the first place.

Some of you people in this thread are nucking futs and I'm going to break it down like so:

This was a thread making an acknowledgement that Thurmond passed away.

People are all entitled to their opinions. If some are praising him how can others not bash him? Just because someone simply passes away doesn't mean that everyone should stash their negative views of the man away. So he did some good for the country, as I see it there was a time where he also did some bad. Whether he "changed" because of it really isn't up to me to decide and to be honest, I don't think many, if any are qualified to make such statements. I've seen no such evidence to support such a stance.

Now play nice before I start owning people....

a very interesting point, and choice of words.

Owning. I think thats a well placed play on words considering the topic of this thread.


I just wonder what we can argue about tomorrow.

Ignorant ass comments like this:

As long as we have people that can still make comments like this and stand behind them, then I am more than entitled to refute (or "argue" about) them, regardless of who it is referring to.

I have no qualms about the arguing i just wonder what it will be tomorrow, the day before i think it was political party. Maybe tomorrow we can debate the issue of abortion.

I swear some ppl are so dramatic. It has nothing to do with the sense of "owning someone as in my property." I knew someone would twist it though. It's "internet speak" for me basically whooping up on someone if they don't "play nice." Had you paid attention to the rest of my post, I was actually saying that it should be allowed for ppl to bash Thurmond if they want.

I never cared for the man either.

just making a joke. i know you don't actually own people. but if you did that would be interesting

As true as that may be, how the hell is anyone supposed to know your internet speak? How many people actually use that term? If I took it out of context, I apologize; however, your use of terms for this thread was a little...odd.

LOL, that post wasn't in reference to you. I know you were making a joke as I was making a joke in "whooping on ppl by 'owning' them."

Understood, it might have been odd, but it is actually funny, or can be if you know it. Quite a few ppl know about the "ownage" that I place on the GC. I guess you just have to know me though. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful and it wasn't made with any reference to slavery and/or slave owners, just to clear it up.


Owned in damasa terms:

http://www.brawl-hall.com/gallery/da...5/ownedkid.jpg

that picture is so true of being owned. poor kid. did you do that, its nice work.

I can say one positive thing...he hired the 1st Afro-American staffer.

Well said, swissmiss!

The post that got deleted earlier this morning was the one that said "Good ridance to bad rubbish". The N-word post was and still is untouched.

Well then I guess that's different. I still think any post containing racial slurs or sexually derogatory statements should be deleted. We don't need that sh*t. Unfortunately the mods have full right to do pretty much what they want. We're all at their mercy, and if someone doesn't agree w/ the mods decisions he/she is free to not post. Freedom does work both ways, which I think we've forgotten. I think that despite the very apparent anger being slung around, many people on both sides are making valid arguments. But I hope it doesn't turn into some divisive battle royale.

Well this is my first foray into this thread...wow.

docetboy, I think you need to evaluate your posts before you hit "Reply." How are you going to tell people NOT to post their opinions...and then turn around and post your own?? Not everyone feels that Thurmond was a "great American" so deal with it.

Also, it kinda makes me uncomfortable to think that people are heralding him as a "great American." If he was great for this country, I am terrified of what is BAD.

He did many positive things....for HIS segment of the population. Yay for him! Unfortunately that excludes a great deal of people, and those people have every right to be unhappy about it.

And omg! He hired ONE black person??? Well let me erase this entire post!! :rolleyes: How many employees has he had TOTAL throughout his LOOOOOONG career? Sigh.

ROFLMAO -- that is a funny expression that I'll never get tired of hearing!! (oh, for the record, I have heard the term "owning people" in regards to whoopin' em for a long time -- I understand how it could have been misinterpreted in this instance, but I think damasa has explained the real intent (sad picture!!) )

361 times I am so glad that I am not the one being bashed for something!!

*winks to kitso* and walking away....

lol....yeah, anyone taking damasa seriously is just funny in itself! ;)

you luv me, blaine, don't play! :D

yea, just as much as the fleas of 100 camels infesting my pubic area.....

after having them for so long, i guess you would get attached.... :p

you LOSE!

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http://www.brawl-hall.com/gallery/da.../pointless.jpg

oh blaine....you really should go on the road with this humor of your's....seriously......it's just that great. :p

;)

In fairness, the stories I read say he hired THE FIRST black staffer of any Southern Senator -- not that he hired ONE. I have no idea how many he did or didn't hire. It also says he was the driving guy behind Justice Clarence Thomas for the Supreme Court, voted in favor of Martin Luther King's birthday as Federal holiday, pushed through the first black Federal Judge in the South among other things.

Frankly, I never liked the guy much, but I don't think it is entirely fair to hold the way he was a half century ago, when social mores were totally different in the whole country not to mention the South where he grew up against him now.

The whole country has changed dramatically in that amount of time -- I'm willing to believe that the late Senator might have also.

This right here is enough to make me dislike Strom forever. Believe me, Clarence is only black on the OUTSIDE. I have to go now, but if anyone wants to hijack the thread a bit with me, I will post some info on Mr. Thomas later. Or maybe I will just start a whole new thread, lol.

Strom Thurmond was one of the most driving forces of the Government of the USA!

He was a Dixiecrat and supposedly changed!

Whether he Hired 1 or more Blacks in his offce is signicant in his time of Power!

Right or wrong, he was one powerful SOB in OUR Govt! He did change the face of Our Govt. Not because of his reformation and beleifs for Blacks Rights!

I never liked him because of the Power that he had!

When you Political ego maniacs get over Rep and Dem. maybe you can figure out it doesnot make any difference what name they go under! They are the POWER and beleive in The POWER!

Screw us the Members of America!

How many Pour Congress Men Do You Know!!!!!????

Dont even get me started on the Kennedys!!!!!

Last Good Pres. --- Harry Truman!!!!!:cool:

This thread was dead and done and someone had to revive it....
Well, if you want the discussion to continue, so be it.

Here's a little food for thought: What if there was this girl that you know from school who beats your ass everyday as you walk home? Starting in kindergarten, all the way through college, she beats your ass. I mean, she beats the hell out of you. You want to fight back, but you feel helpless. She sometimes has friends who help her whip your ass. You don't bother calling the police on her because most of the firce consists of her friends and family. Her dad is even the police chief. They won't arrest her. They just call it "horseplay" among young kids. But, one day, after 17 years of whipping your ass, she realizes that you are getting a little bit taller and have been taking karate classes. You have friends and family that are joining the police force. She knows that she may start getting in trouble if she continues to beat you up. So, she brings you a bouquet of roses and a batch of your favorite cookies and says, "I'm sorry, DeltAlum. Let's be friends." Is all forgiven just because she brings you flowers?

In your perfect world, you probably would. But, how can someone make up for your torture and anguish of 17 years with cookies and flowers? THEY CAN'T!! When your back is against a wall, you will pull out all of the stops. Just like voting on some lousy ALREADY ACTIVATED Voting Rights Act and hiring "the first African-American committee member." For those that have requested more recent votes, here they are:

Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)

Just to name a few.... Now, where is it that he has been trying to help "us" in RECENT years?

They can't handle this Thurmond thread! Don't get started on Thomas! They aren't ready....