Okay, for some reason after this first show I'm thinking - boring. As a lot of others have said I'm just not feeling it, but of course I will watch it every week all the same.

Hopefully though this is actually going to be a tame show. We had our first informal recruitment of the semester last night and this was the first time that I was asked straight out if we're like Sorority Life. A couple of the people that asked that seemed really scared we were going to be like that. I'm just glad that they got past that idea and are learning what we really are like.

Pretty much. Some people want to do it just to do it, and in this case, just to be on TV, so its not entirely crazy that they expect the girls to earn their letters. You have to work hard once you get in, so why not work to GET in? That doesn't mean that you're out and out trifling to them (2:30 am incident), but the pledges have to show that they are serious. Anyone can come in there and run verbal game on them and get in just to put on a shirt (yes, some are that pressed), but by having to earn it, more than likely, will weed out those that aren't serious about Zeta Sigma Phi as a lifelong committment.

I enjoyed seeing the incredible diverse mix of sisters in the sorority. Its not all black, all white, all asian, all latino, its ome of everybody.

I did want to smack Meena for being ignorant. She missed the meeting and had no idea what she was doing, or why she was getting the signatures, and didn't seem to care that she looked stupid as hell. As a sister, I would take offense to that myself. She didn't ask her line sisters (or fellow pledgees, whatever)? That just goes further to make her look bad, she already has some red flags up. And you DO NOT leave a pledge meeting like that, at least not the FIRST one. That looked bad. During your pledge period, you should put other stuff on the semi-back burner temporarily. Not completely, but Zeta Sigma Chi should have come first (after classes)...if you're serious

oooohhhhh yeah. I think she as much as said that this is just something she wants to do to "round out" her college career...more like another notch on her belt rather than being there for the sisterhood.

You mean Zeta Sigma Phi right?

Yeah, sorry LOL

I guess I should get used to it... http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung0...smiley-068.gif

Good point - just like her being on 3 step teams (why, why??) and playing softball. . . just something else to do.

And BirthaBlue, I agree with your points too about Meena. She didn't seem to take any of that seriously - why didn't she tell her stepteam members that she was in the process of pledging - remember she said that she CAN'T be late for step practice? Did you also notice that she mentioned that she wasn't used to how they were doing things; that she was more used to the way AfAm sororities and fraternities did things. Well, if she was, do you think she would have just up and walked out of the 1st meeting like that? She didn't seem to have any "reverence" for the big sisters or anything.

reruns?
 

Does anyone know when they will air a rerun of the first episode?

Thanks :)

TRUE.

For someone used to the BGLO way of doing things, she sure didn't look like she was applying her knowledge to Zeta Sigma Phi.

I honestly only watched about 15 minutes of SL 3 last night because I just couldn't deal with the attitudes the actives were giving the new members. What was that shit about?

As for why I think they didn't show rush, if anyone noticed MTV posted comments saying that 50 girls went through rush for the chapter and they only extended bids to 16.

I don't know about the whole rush process though. I somewhat feel bad for the chapters because how do you know if these girls rushing actually want to be a member of your sorority because they like the things you believe in or if they are just rushing because of MTV.

With that, I honestly felt that half of those pledges rushed just because of MTV.

They all kept talking about how they 'wanted to belong' and 'wanted the sisterhood and connections'. I mean absolutely no offense to the chapter, but can't you recieve that same thing from any of the other national recognized or local sororities on campus? Yes.

In the 15 minutes I watched, I just got this sense that some of the pledges were more interested in getting the exposure via MTV than they really were about joining the sorority.

Just my opinions.

Brianna
Alpha Delta Pi

i didn't get to see last nights episode, but part of me thinks that the majority rushed just because of mtv. i thought i read somewhere that the sorority used mtv as a marketing tool to get girls interested in them and to go through their rush process.

I had a meeting across town and dinner, so I got home at about 10:30. So I missed the first time around and watched something else. I wonder when they are going show it again. Just curious!

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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Caught that, did you? ;)

I agree with a lot of what has already been stated.
1) I miss the rush process. It felt like there was no real beginning to the series, they just jumped straight into the pledge house.
2) While I appreciate the fact that this MCGLO is showing that there is no "face" to a "typical" sorority girl, MTV will start making this group look bad by next week. How about a new slogan for the show: MTV Sorority Life 3: perpetuating Greek stereotypes from 2001 to 2003
3) About Carmen: I think it's awesome that she's acting like "super pledge" but not if it's going to effect her schooling. Learn some priorities girl! Also, no, asking someone to be quite is not "disrespectful." :rolleyes: It's not like Carmen rudely told her to shut up or get out...she was very nice considering they were keeping her up.
4) If anyone drops out, my money is on Sharifa or Meena...no sense of time vs. not enough time.

Like everybody else I wasn't feeling last night's episode. I agree with whoever said it didn't seem to flow. It was like MTV just threw it together at the last minute. I really don't understand why Meena is even there. She's already doing so much other stuff and doesn't really seem to care that much about the sorority. She seems like the Jordan of the group. I can see her dropping out. And Carmen was a little bit too emotional, IMO.

Here is the rerun schedule for anyone that missed it:
http://aolsvc.tvlistings.aol.com/sea...7C4&rating=All

I only watched the first 15 minutes of it, it just wasn't very interesting... but I'll be watching in hopes it will get more interesting. Aren't the majority of the pledges juniors and seniors? It's like, well this sorority has been around and was around when you got here four years ago, so why didn't you want to rush then? It just comes off as them wanting to rush now all of a sudden because of MTV.

Not showing rush...
 

If they held their rush events on campus, that's probably why they weren't shown...USC wouldn't allow the filming.

You know I meant no disrepect towards your organzation. It just that the names are so similar. Please accept my aploogy

Locals are just not a big factor in the USC Greek system. I didn't even know we had them, frankly, until this whole SL3 thing came up (and absolutuscchic's local USC experience). I don't mean any disrespect to the locals by this statement.

They didn't have a house to rush in like the NPC groups on campus (whose quota was, I believe 55 this year), and USC won't allow ANY campus filming or any USC paraphenalia on the show.

And to whomever said "maybe its a Cali" thing. The first SL took place in California as well.

I think Meena has friends in NPHC groups.

They usually are...that allows MTV to film them drinking and partying. :rolleyes:

i saw this show while channel surfin 2day..i thought it wuz hella funny..then i saw frat life rite after it and yeah..no comment..

I saw this last night and am thoroughly through and disgusted....I am so tired of the whole "ask nicely", "respect the older sisters", "attitude" crap!!!

THIS IS NOT SORORITY LIFE!!!!!!!!!! IT'S A HORRIBLE MISREPRESENTATION AND DISTORTION!!!!!

I missed it on Wed., but just caught the rerun this afternoon.

I was a little thrown when they skipped the entire rush process and just said "50 women showed up, 16 got bids". But I have to respect Zeta Sigma Phi for not letting MTV film their membership selection process. It is supposed to be secret, both the process itself and the reasons that specific people were or were not offered bids... and as a PNM I'd hate to watch the show several months after rush and listen to the members discussing me - whether or not I'd gotten in.

Sharifa did show disrespect by turning up so late. I can understand being 5 minutes late, but a half hour? Without a good reason? Yes, she's moving to a new house, but so are the other "house pledges" and they all managed to be on time. Plus, if she were to forget something, what's to keep her from running back later on to grab it?

Carmen asking the sisters to pipe down - definitely not disrespectful. If anything, the sisters were disrespectful to her by gabbing away just outside her room at 2:30am. (Y'know, sleep deprivation is considered hazing........)

I'm a little confused about the points, though. The pledges have to get to 2003 points each, but the things they can do earn them very few points (signature=1, answer a question=5, spend time with an active=15, spend time with their pledge sisters=??). We also saw in one of the ads, that the pledge class gets docked 100 points each for some slight that we don't know about yet. I hope there are other ways they can earn points, or they'll never cross!

OH MY GOD! I usually don't watch Sorority Life but as I was just flipping the channels, I turned on the show and saw a familiar face. Yes, my high school friend and my cheerleading captain is one of the pledges, JANELLE! Then, I look at one of the sisters and I realize that I went to junior high school with Stacie (who I completely hated and didn't get along with at ALL!) Okay, I need to calm down...this is insane! Geez, that is so crazy!

Now, I will be definitely watching!

I need to vent a little and I am probably going to get flamed for this. All this talk about "multi-cultural" really gets to me sometimes. Just because my skin is white doesn't mean that I don't have a rich a varied background. I'm part german-english-swiss and half Irish. If you've studied history at all you'd know that German's and the Irish have very different histories and cultures. That lead us to the question what is culture? Culture is often defined as language, food, ways of dress, the things that a group of people have in common that make them unique from all other groups. By this definition I am most definately mulitcultural, in face most Americans are. Just because we don't outwardly look it, does not mean that there is not much more there. Looks can be deceiving.

AXWhoah, I see where you're coming from. I think that it's great that you spoke out. Everyone has a culture - not just people of color.

I doubt that it was Zeta Sigma Phi that wouldn't allow MTV to film their rush process -- my guess is that rush events were held on campus and, as USC wouldn't allow MTV to film on campus, they were SOL.

As for the "multicultural" rant that was brought up -- it's not like anybody said that "multicultural" doesn't include those of European descent. This particular sorority includes at least two or three girls who appear to be.

All I gotta say is whoa. . .and that you get major snaps taken away for this statement. I have no idea where this could come from because I know no one around here feels that you have to be non-white to be multicultural, so maybe it's something you're dealing with personally. . .don't really know. . .but the statement is messed up and an overblown generalization.

It's implied in many of the statements that many people have made. You guys seem to think that multicultural can only mean a chapter full of women with different skin colors. Like my NPC isn't multicultural. Maybe you do not think that way but it is the basic though among the general population.

As far as I know, it isn't; to my knowledge, none of the NPCs are, although Phi Sigma Sigma was founded in part to create a space where women of various religions could find sisterhood. Multicultural GLO doesn't mean a group made up of people from different cultures -- that would apply to every national group! It means that one of the central purposes of the organization is to promote multicultural understanding. There are huge cultural and racial rifts in our society that divide people of various colors and backgrounds; an MCGLO is one that exists in large part in order to work toward the closure of those rifts, both within the GLO and beyond it.

If that's a central purpose of your NPC, then I apologize for failing to understand your goals.

If someone from an MCGLO can speak to this firsthand, that would be great.

Ivy

I would think that through sisterhood and friendship that multicultural awareness would be promoted. I mean I know that through my sorority I have learned a lot just because my sisters are different from me.
EDITED to say, that I think understanding and appreciation of a sister's culture is implied in the word friendship (which IS one of our values).

I totally get where she's coming from. I've often said that one of the reasons that there's such a division between "white" people and people of color is because "white" people in the United States are all lumped together under one big group, but non-White people have the privilege of being able to retain their ethnic/cultural heritage. I know the history behind that, but even so, I think it's kind of foul that in this day and age it's still allowed to exist.

Think about it - I can (and do) proudly call myself African American, but how many so-called "white"people do you know call themselves "German American" or "Croatian American"? I'm not talking about individual anecdotes - I'm talking in general. Chinese Americans are Chinese. People from the West Indies are West Indian. Koreans are Korean. But white people are just WHITE. It's limiting, ahistorical, and just plain wrong.

Personally, my (alum) chapter of Alpha Phi is multicultural, and not just in terms of racial/ethnic identity. The collegiate chapter I help advise was featured in a past issue of The Quarterly because of their multicultural nature. Nationally, one of our "Watchcare" programs is centered on how to understand, promote, and foster multiculturalism within collegiate chapters. While we may not "technically" be a MCGLO, we are a multicultural Fraternity.

There is more to multiculturalism than skin colour. I think that's what she's getting at -- correct me if I'm wrong, AXWhoah.

I totally agree with you. In my local sorority, although we were almost all jewish, I learned so much about girls whose families were persian, girls who were more religious, girls who had similar roots to me, and even non-jewish girls whose families came from africa and all over europe. I really learned so much in just being friends with my sisters. Now in Kappa Delta, the little that I have got to know my sisters has told me their are girls from different roots and I can't wait to learn more about them as they are my sisters.

Booooorrrring!
 

I fell asleep after the first 15 or so minutes...http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/sleep.gif

You soooo got the idea of MCGLO's. That's what Theta Nu Xi strives for. We look for any woman who feels as strongly about multiculturalism as we do no matter what race, culture, religion, etc.

Is the whole problem with the lumping of the "white" people is that the "white" people created the label. The government, which back in the days of labeling races and such, only had "white" people. But I get where you are coming from, I have a Polish American sister who feels the same way you do about labeling.

AXWhoah. Thank you. You've said what I feel perfectly. I am French, Irish and a little bit Swedish. I too have a rich culture and family history and do somewhat resent how white people are "lumped" together. We all have culture, skin color, especially in this day and age, has nothing to do with it.

Amy
USC alum

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Originally posted by IvySpice
As far as I know, it isn't; to my knowledge, none of the NPCs are, although Phi Sigma Sigma was founded in part to create a space where women of various religions could find sisterhood. Multicultural GLO doesn't mean a group made up of people from different cultures -- that would apply to every national group! It means that one of the central purposes of the organization is to promote multicultural understanding. There are huge cultural and racial rifts in our society that divide people of various colors and backgrounds; an MCGLO is one that exists in large part in order to work toward the closure of those rifts, both within the GLO and beyond it.

If that's a central purpose of your NPC, then I apologize for failing to understand your goals.

If someone from an MCGLO can speak to this firsthand, that would be great.

Ivy
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Being in a MCGLO I have to agree with Ivy's statement.

Surrounding your Org on celebrating different cultures is what makes up my sorority. I agree that people labled as "white" don't reap the benefits of saying they are multicultural because as soon as someone see the color of their skin, they are automaticly considered white. I think those of you that have listed the various cultures that are a part of you, SHOULD consider yourself multicultural...why not...none of us is really one single race anymore, we never were, just a few decided not to express it. In my eyes, having more than one ethnic group running through your veins or more than one language spoken in your family makes you multicutural, regardless if your org is like mine that was founded on multiculturalism or not.

Re lumping together of white people:

To a certain extent this happens, but there's a reason. To a large extent white people can "pass" into the general population. New groups arrived (Irish; Italian; etc.) and were hated at first, but after a while they blended in with the older groups of white people and were granted the privileges accorded to whites in general.

Look at it this way. I think that white people who want to retain their cultural heritage can and do. The neighborhoods in Chicago and New York have never been white and black; they're Polish, Ukrainian, Jewish, Irish, etc. A white person has a choice; she can be a strongly identified Polish person, speak the language, learn traditions, etc....but if she doesn't go out of her way to tell her boss her mom was Polish, then at work she will be treated simply as a white person. That is a privilege that nonwhites just don't have. A black woman has no choice -- she is black ALL the time, to everyone. And that has huge cultural repercussions.

That's one reason why race is such an important concept in this country, and why the barriers between groups of different colors are so much thicker and harder to overcome than barriers between white groups. Yes, once, animosity between Irish whites and English whites in America was a huge problem, but that's largely been overcome. Yet after almost four hundred years, there's still a colossal problem with lack of communication and understanding between whites and blacks (just for starters).

So I don't think the lumping together of white people is unfair, and I do think a MCGLO needs people of different colors in order to tackle the really tough problems. White people in this country eventually mingle on their own; but racial divides are like tides that we have to deliberately swim against if we want to build better understanding.

Ivy (white, but quite identified as Jewish :) )