You know I love the fact that yall just can not get enough of me.......but this is just for her story. whats your addy her story cause as far as this forum goes i am done you want an answer then post your e-mail or hit me up in mine asiablake@hotmail.com.

She didn't answer your question because she CAN'T answer it...most people know that there is no color difference when a crime is committed! But please leave it be...if she says she's through on here then I'm celebrating!

Does this mean she's gone off of the entire board, or just this topic? Either way, thank God! I don't need anyone to discuss my mentality, my decision in choosing an organization, and I certainly don't need someone to question my knowlegde of my people's history. As I've discussed it with many on this board, choosing between the NPC and NPHC, as well as among the groups on my own campus...and I chose the best group for me, and if anyone has any problem with that, so be it.

"I was so much smarter when I was 17 years old"--Unknown

prettygyrl..... is there a difference if a white person killed a black person and if a black person killed another black person?

Thanks Wyanna! I truly love the love! If Greek and Alpha Chi Girl did not know what is meant by slave mentality then they are truly a waste of my time to even respond to. I think Alpha chi girl is Black! If she do not know what that means then its obvious she is not up on HER history no wonder she chose to roll with the other side! By the way Alpha Chi I beleive the choice you made in sororities has alot to do with your "slave mentality"! You are wrong Greek I am a slave! We are all still slaving in this White ran world! It may not be with whips and chains but we are enslaved mentally , economically, socially, politically. so on and so forth! Since alot of you have REALLY proven yourselfs completely lost on this subject Wyanna is right it should be closed! Some of you need to use some of the time you spend posting up in here to go out and purchase yourself a clue or two! If some of you want to keep this going go right ahead but try and keep the mention of my name to a minimal because some of the things some people say are truly a waste of good forum space and will def not even warrant a reply from me anymore! I love the love! I am out!

Can't let this be: there is, throughout history until the modern day, and statistically, a difference in sentences for a white man convicted of killing a black man, than a black man killing another. But this is not the space to debate this most serious of topics.


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Salience -
Your point is very TRUE (not that it makes it right). My point is simply that when it comes to the ACTUAL crime - there should be no difference. It is sad when a person, regardless of nationality, is killed, no matter what color the skin of the killer is.

Wynna,

Loved your response. Concise,, coherent, factual, respectful.

Prettygyrl, yeah, take it off to the side (although someone answered the question). You know folks can't take you sistah.

greek: It is not quite that easy to just pick up and move elsewhere. Besides, the people I know who did that found a rude awakening. The white man cannot be escaped. Period. Moving from the south (overt racism) to the north 9covert racism) is totally different. Racism is still alive and well. You know that.

Consideration:

I agree that a life should be "worth" the same regardless of race. That is not the case in AmeriKKKa. We know this. It's sad though, huh? The Black man's life is pretty much worthless in this country and has been from day one. Wanna see a sentence? See that of a black man who kills ANYONE, let alone a white person. Check out the number of political prisoners incarcerated for doing NOTHING!!! But are accused of crimes against who? White people. Can you imagine?
Something has to be done. Black folks however, have become real complacent in this day and age. We have become satisfied with the crumbs society has "allowed" us to have.

Enough of this though. I think we are all frustrated with this society and the way it treats people...white and black. Asian and American Indian...EVERYBODY.

I am at work...I always am at work on this page. Anybody got a job in Los Angeles for a little Black girl from the inner city in case I lose this one?

I have to apologize to Consideration. I could NOT remember the name every time I got onto my page to type the responses. I AM TRULY SORRY http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif
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ok.......i already knew the answer but i posted that in response to prettygyrl's post about white people, slavery and not being able to forgive them (and that's your business). that was back in the 1800's but here in the 70's 80's and 90's the crimes commited against my family and friends were done at the hands of BLACK MEN. with the worst one being a young black man putting a gun to my grandmother's head and shooting her at point blank range becaue she refused to let go of HER purse!!!!!! then the mf ran and did not even take the damn purse. thats why i asked the question because the fact that it was done by another black person didn't/doesn't lessen the pain felt by my family.

I am rather late to this party. I have never posted on this subject, becuase I think that we can never really resovle these issues, especially not over the internet with a few dozen people who have never met, have no idea what thier background is, or what experiences have helped to shape thier lives. I personally disagree with most of the poeple on here, and that is due to the factors that have shaped my life.

I don't think that Prtygrl's feeling can be simply dimissed, as well as the feelings of those that are attacking her viewpoint. Let's all agree to disgree. There is no winning this debate. This issue is older and bigger than all of us here. If great men such as Malcom X, Martin Luther King, WEB DuBois, can't eradicate the problems that are faced by African Americans, then how will we do it on a chat board. Comeon folks.

Some whites, and some blacks will never really get what it is to be an African American inn this country.

Just my $19.11 worth.

What is with this "Down with the man" mentallity? It's hipocracy and racism at its finest as far as I'm concerned. I don't understand why a black person saying blacks and whites should stick with their own is called racial pride, but a white man saying the same thing is a bigot and racist. Could someone clear this up for me? thanks.

Steve

Man, why is it that you find soooo many spelling mistakes after you post, and none when you are posting.

Somebody put me in "Da Kut" next time I post a misspelling.

DELTABRAT,

Thanks. I try maintain respect for people as individuals. I just want people to understand that this is a grand scale problem and has nothing to do with individuals. I am for and about uplifting MY people and it's time things change.

Anyway, I'm from L.A. too. I think we're both going to looking for jobs around here if we continue to keep this up! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif Stay strong!

I think that this type of reference to America is very disrespectful. You may not agree to what happens in America (Lord knows I don't always), but at least this country does allow you the freedom to say so! You are given this privelege (free speech) because this is America and not a country that censor's what its constituents say. My grandfathers, uncles, and father fought (and many died) in wars that allowed us the freedom we have today. I can understand people having differing opinions about society today, but not being disrespectful in regards to the freedoms that this country affords. If you truly feel that you will never get ahead here, then why stay? I really have never heard a good answer to this question. If its so terribly bad that you can't stand to be here...then go! At least you know you'll have the freedom to do so.

consideration,

Our people have been in each war that this country has been in, so I don't think that we have to go anywhere! Hell, my father faught in Vietnam, only to come back home and be called a term that I will not use here. So for those men and women, that have shed their blood for me to stay here and say what the hell I want to, I will do just that.

Look, this is silly, this is probably more devicive than it is helpfull. Moderator, please close this thread, it is pretty much done. Nothing good will come of it.

Peace and Luv to all

I try and try not to post in here but whenever I see that things are misconstrued some I really have to cLarify! first of all where and when did I say that it was ok for Blacks to commit crimes against whites i never said that!............HER STORY IT IS REALLY unfortunate what happened to your family. Like I said before I never said that that type of behavior was ok. Things like that happen in our communities everyday. Then on top of that we must endure the hate crimes not to mention the police who like to use us for target practice! So see we are dying left and right! Unfortunately the things that happen to your family and to ours are happening at the hands of our people that are a product of what your people helped mold and shape them into! I know you would not like to beleive that and so would alot of others but it is true! This is not to say that it is ok this is just to tell you why it happens. That mf ( as you called him) that hurt your family is part of the repercussions of the pain we endure at the hands of your people. Take a walk in some of these ghettos and you will see what your people are allowing and even making sure of to happen to some of us. If you knew our history you would see how this white society could rasie and put out into the world such a person as the one that hurt your family. I mean I can not even begin to go into this on this forum and since I do not know you, you will have to take the time and do some research yourself. BUT what you expect out of one that comes from where this person probably came from. I am not saying he should go unpunished. You have to realize that your people have created alot of monsters(so to speak) but they will sit back as if they had nothing to with some Young Black man who goes on a rampage as the one who hurt your family! Society is responsible, your people are just as responsible as the man who committed the crime. Whether you believe it or not it is true. I am sorry you had to go through such pain in your family. You should try and do some deep research on my people and maybe this person and you will see where one might get to be so heartless and angry. They learned it from the massa. tk1507 dear i do not think of any white person as racist if they say they should stick to there own kind. I think that is what we need to do. I have a problem with hate groups and there violent tactics period. I believe that we should stick to our own and you to yours but I do not hate you nor would i want you to die because your skin color is differnt its people like that I consider racist! Consideraton.......I do not know your race but WE really do not have as much FREEDOM to what WE want as you claim! Black people are still very limited in what they are allowed to do! In all actuality I think that in some aspects some people have TOO much freedom cause I really feel that somethings should not be printed nor shown on TV! I think that the galmourizing of some things really cause those things to continue to happen. THATS A WHOLE OTHER SUBJECT! MUCH LOVE MY PEEPS

prettygyrl !!!!!!!!!! what are you talking about your people......our people...... i am BLACK just like you !!!!!!! thats why i said it didn't lessen the pain.

Her_Story:

I am sorry that that happened. That is really unfortunate. I misunderstood your post. NO there is NOT a difference in the pain and suffering felt. You don't say "Well the man who did x,y,z was Black, so it's okay). No! I thought you meant in terms of punishment for the crime. I am so sorry. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

Consideration:

Based on your post I have to say that clearly I have the "right" to call this place what I want to. Your fathers, uncles? What about my fathers uncles who built this place without an iota of credit?
Don't tell me who fought for "freedom." And since we're on the subject what freedom are you speaking of? Mine is probably a whole lot different from yours.

well the way it was put I thought you were white but still, I never said anyway anything about a black mans crime is less than a whites man. Never! I do still say that in most instances ( with Black people) you can pretty much see exactly where and how one went very wrong in his or her life! You would be surprised what opression does to some but then again you may already know. I do not know why people in here started talking to me about the crimes that White People and Black people commit. I never said nothing about a White person being murdered by Black person was okay nor vice versa. I lobby against the death penality so why would I say it was ok for ANYONE to harm ANYONE ELSE! oBVIOUSLY SOMEONE WAS WAY OFF IF THEY GO THAT OUT OF ONE OF MY POST!

If you truly feel that you will never get ahead here, then why stay? I really have never heard a good answer to this question. If its so terribly bad that you can't stand to be here...then go! At least you know you'll have the freedom to do so.

"If you truly feel that you will never get ahead here, then why stay? I really have never heard a good answer to this question. If its so terribly bad that you can't stand to be here...then go! At least you know you'll have the freedom to do so."
--I know I've said this to a few people before, with blank stares. Frankly, we all know, even with the discrimination experienced by so many, that America is the only place where we can properly exercise our rights. If anyone is so unhappy, why doesn't he or she just leave?

God, why are we beating this horse. He is dead and stinking, and none of us smells it yet.

I can speak for me only. I stay becuase this is the best thing going. I would not want to live (well mayb just to visit other places),any where else in the world. The US is the best thing going.

But I get really irritated with people who say "well if you don't like it, why don't you go somewhere else?"

For those who have ears but do not listen, for those that have eyes, but fail to see, my answer to your question is, that this is the best thing going, and my people have died for this country, and it would be disrespectfull to turn tail and leave, as opposed to stay here and try to change things. That is my answer to your question, if you need more, I can easily write you a book, but I don't have time, or the desire to do so. If that doesn't satisfy your question, then that is your problem.

Respectfully Yours

Manndingo Nupe

ManndingoNUPE - I am LMAO at this one! Thank you, thank you, thank you for putting this so eloquently and poetically! Your words have put a tear in my eye http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif I agree - this topic cannot and will not ever be resolved on this type of forum. I don't know how in the world it came around to be this misconstrued, only that I will have to back you up 110% on this one!

I truely wasn't going to respond, but I kept seeing people ask "Well if you don't like it here, why don't you leave."

Forgive me, but I have heard this redneck slogan for years.

I shouldn't have to go anywhere to be treated equal, period!!!! I don't run from problems!! I should be treated the same in America as any white person.

Who are you to ask me to leave, when I was drug here unwantingly!!! (let's not take this literally) If you brought me here, deal with me and treat me right!!!

That's the problem, people want to run away, or send people away from the problem. I think that is a copout.

Amen....Icytre.... Amen

prettygyrl,

I am going to try and put this in the nicest way possible, but i don't think it is giong to work. The only reason we have wglo's and bglo's is because of poeple like you, who have the same simpleminded feeble brain. I am not saying black people, I am saying simpletons. Think about it, back in the day if the white people had not been so...how can I put it....stupid, we would not have ever had racism. I don't know about anyone else...and I am strictly speaking for myself, not my sisters, but I am so sick of white this and black this. When is it going to stop, oh what am I thinking, there are still people like you who think it has to be a white thing or a black thing...its getting old. As long as there are still shallow people out there it is never going to stop. Thats sad...

thanks deltabrat!

prettygyrl......i think that you have misunderstood what i meant. i never said anything about the crime being less. i meant the pain being less. actually it hurts more when another black person does something against me. it's like if you compare a street person vs a family member. if a family member does something messed up--i think it takes your breath away for a moment because you don't expect that vs someone from the street.

pretty gyrl.......i brought up the topic about racial crimes because in a previous post you were talking about slavery and how you felt as a result. my point is that despite what has happened to my grandmother and close friends, i don't have a problem with BLACK MEN in general because i am able to separate the the good from the bad. in alot of cases you (we as people) have to think about things on a situational basis. i am not saying that you don't because i don't know your train of thought but your post does make alot of implications. and before you get your feathers ruffled :NO......WITH REGARDS TO RACIAL ISSUES I DON'T THINK EVERY THING IS OK. but i can't let that consume me because i have a responsibility to those that depend on me both living and past to be the best that i can be which involves making sure that i am prepared education wise and financially to meet the challenges as they come my way.

actually, if you want to be technical, the "Native Amerians" were nomads that came here from Asia. And the, if you don't like it go back to your own country thing doesn't work because:

1) people came here from other countries for a reason, it sucks there! whether it was poverty, overpopulation, tyranny, or whatever

2) nobody should have to leave because we didn't decide to come here, our ancestors decided for us, or someone elses ancestors did!

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Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Zeta Chapter
Ros-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

Bottom line is when the term "Go back to your own country," comes about, no one should be left here but Native Americans.

They should be the real pissed off nationality. One, because they did not ask any of us to come here. And two, because they fell for the trickery of the white mans promises "treaty." I bet if the Native Americans had it to do all over again, they would have told Chris Columbus and all of his boys to keep their food and go.

Just a little history note.

Pinkice

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pinkice 9...........i know thats right (lol)

Excuse me consideration,
How can you tell prettygyl not to post here when you are not even registered?