I must add a bit more fuel to this interesting fire after some recent events in my life that have reaffirmed me not agreeing with:

1. Stayin with someone you neither love nor want to be with, regardless of ANYTHING(kids, marriage)

2. Church=Close to God, please!
3. two women, together, like that, nooooo not right whatsoever(for me anyway)
4. Friends should NOT date, look at, pursue, show interest, in a friends former lover. Don't think for one minute, just cause DEDE broke up with him over 4 years ago, its okay for u to start 'seeing' him. Not cool!!!

Black women puuullleazze let's stop downing each other and getting some sick ego satisfaction off or out of callling each other out and being jealous. My boss doesn't call me out but she is as jealous as I don't know what. I ignore her ;) ;) ;) and keep holding my head up looking PRETTY!!!;)

radical?...maybe.....a few ideas
 

I believe...

1. EVERY white woman desires to be a black woman.
2. EVERY black man wants a white woman.
3. EVERY white man wants a black woman.

CRAZY?!?:rolleyes: :D

Really Radical...make you say hmmmm thoughts....
4. EVERY non-greek member on greekchat WANTS to be greek particularly on the threads they most reply on...
5. I think once a person becomes a member of a GLO they tend to be more self conscience because they don't know who to trust as friends ( for fear that they are only being their friends because they are greek.)
6. BGLO members can be very dismissive if ...
a.)....they think you want to pledge their org.
b.).....you are not in their org.
c.)....you are not in an org.
7. light-skinned black people think they are prettier than dark-skinned black people
8. the lighter (black)skinned person you are the more the media likes you
9. dark ,plump black women will never be regarded as sexy in Hollywood
10. there is no such thing as racial equality
11. white people will NEVER accept a Black person being the boss of anything
12. (if you are a boss) white people always double check behind black peoples back with another white person
13. homeless people don't choose to be homeless; people with homes choose to keep them homeless
14.if your child is special ed inclusion or whatever-- he needs to stay in special ed not regular ed
15. every preacher cheats
16.everytime a black person moves in a white neighborhood white people move
17. all babies are not cute
18. Ben Affleck is not the sexiest man alive( still thinking about this one *devilish grin*)
19.there IS life on other planets
20.Bobby Brown is not a crack head; he is just drug challenged...(lololololol)

Sidebar: The issues expressed in this particular post is NOT the total opinion of the writer...these are just ideas (ducking axes....lol)

Re: radical?...maybe.....a few ideas
 

I don't think that EVERY black man wants a white woman...but an overwhelming majority would probably let a white woman &&*&&^&*^&** (no disrespect to white women unless you let black men use you to &&*&&^&*^&**)

I also don't think GLO members have any special issues with trust. Most of us didn't get into this for friends and we can seperate organizational affiliations from friendships.

Despite what the media tells us, I don't think that ALL light skinned women think they're prettier than dark skinned women. As a light skinned woman (I hate speaking from personal experience b/c I know I'm not the norm) I spend a lot of my time explaining (particularly to black men) how lighter skin doesn't equal prettier. We already have a seperation between the races...let's not perpetuate seperation within the race.

BUT, my OWN radical views...of which I take complete bigoted credit for:
--As much as I love my brother/sister regardless of race I believe there are certain boundaries that shouldn't be crossed. I am weary of blacks who ONLY date outside the race (particularly with whites) and form friendships outside the race (particularly with whites). There is something inherently troubling about this.

--As said best by a young white lady at a race forum this year, whites are inherently racist. If you're white and you say you're not, then you are---even if you marched with Martin Luther King, Jr. Ask Tim Wise (the "white man who speaks black truths") about this one. This doesn't mean that you're not NICE or that you don't TRY...but acknowledge your inherent racism so you can be more conscious of the blatant and more subtle things you say and do.

http://www.fiskrri.org/about/advisory-board/wise.htm

People are usually opposite of what they project.

This can be so true!!!!!

The word "hate" and any derivatives of it (hater, hated, hating, haterade...) are waaaaaaaay overused!:rolleyes:

LOL...and they are used whenever someone doesn't see eye-to-eye and disagrees with you. my not liking something you do/say or disagreeing with you doesn't make me a hater...it makes me...

...an adult who disagrees with you...

(blame Mary J. Blige for the continued overusage of "hateration")

Re: I have some educational issues
 

I agree completely - because I grew up in a different country where this was not the rule, myself and a lot of people I know in schools over here are considered quite young - we'll all have our BSc degrees before we are truly legal.

If your child is ready to go to school - don't hold him/her back. And if he/she is above 5 and NOT ready, make sure he/she is ready first.


If children do not know what they should for their grade level, DO NOt just send them to the next grade. I have freshmen at my school that seem to be unable to spell minor ten letter words.

I also, DO NOT believe that people are born homosexual. I know of places, (home for exammple) where if you express such views - it will be forced out of you by any means necessary - it is not acceptable. But yet, so far, no one really seems to believe that they were born that way - so extreme measures have not been taken. People have gotten expelled form schools for "exprimenting" with homosexuality.

Sometimes, it does seem like the black race is cursed - I do not know if I truly believe that though.

I agree that people on welfare should be forced to use birth control. The men should be dealt with also. I do not know how though.

There is too much political correctness in the US - I can't even say stewardess without getting the evil eye.:rolleyes:

That's it for me. (for now;)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dionysus
Just because I'm American it doesn't mean I should stick up for them when they do wrong.

AMEN!!

I also think that we are being programmed to think, act, and feel however whoever is behind the "man" wants us too.

But whats really scarey is that sometimes I think its neccesary. Some people really act like they can't think for themselves...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad:

*******Not that I think its right...

My turn
 

Oh my goodness

I was voted GC's Most Controversial of 2000 and I haven't posted anything on this topic. I must be getting soft.

OK, here's my spiel.

- Black men should be exempt from paying FICA if as of the year they were born our life expectancy did not exceed 65.

- Drugs should be decriminalized (this was done in China AND Japan and the drug rate dropped dramatically. BUT the reason it won't be is because IMHO drugs help drive the economy.

- Pornography helps drive the Internet economy (and was one of the few survivors of the dot-com bust of 2000).

- America is not designed so that every citizen can succeed. America is designed to create "winners and losers", ie for every corporate go-getter, someone "gotta make the donuts" and flip the burgers.

Welfare should be redesigned into more empowering tools (college tuition, down payments on housing, etc.).

Skin color should not imply or assume cultural loyalty. Case in point: Clarence Thomas.

Baby boomers, you ain't all that. Stop badmouthing us Gen Xers, especially since we are the byproducts of the low moral and social values you originally promoted and held in high esteem. You fed it, we ate it (like we had a choice).

There are no big words, only small vocabularies.

G. Gordon Liddy, shut the bump up.

G. Gordon Liddy, shut the bump up. Just in case he just now tuned into this message board.

It is MUCH harder to meet a good mate in 2002 than is was in 1972 or 1962.

BET should be banished from the airwaves (or at least until it has a circa 1990 airtime lineup).

People confuse a relationship with God with religion. (the former is DEscriptive, the latter is PREscriptive).

SUVs should be outlawed because they are nothing more than oversized gas-guzzling egomobiles.

America is a very mean spirited and unforgiving country when it comes to crime, punishment, law, and justice.

And lastly, for now, nerdy "nice guys" should get first pick on the fine, good-looking women.

FICA?

Federal Insurance Contributions Act...other wise known as Social Security

FICA
 

Otherwise known by the US Government as "F[ornicate] You"

BTW, FICA also includes payments for Medicare.

I got more views, but I'll do 'em a little later

DOCTOR's OFFICES make appointments and do not stick to them. :mad: :mad: :mad: Nor do they care that you sit in the waiting room with every pregnant woman in Charlotte and fall asleep. Nor do they bother to call you to see why you left before being seen. :mad: :mad:

Greek Issues (WARNING: The gloves are coming off!)
 

OK, here are the Greek issues:

For all those oldheads and traditionalists, you may want to leave now.

Here is what I believe:

Greeks should stop brooding and boasting what their founders or other brother/sister did 80-90 years ago and focus more on what THEY are doing here and NOW!

The NPHC should be disbanded and the orgs should join NIC or NPC. As it is, I see more divisiveness, arrogance, and disunity than unity and harmony.

The NPHC should stop calling themselves "The Divine Nine". I will NEVER refer to the NPHC as such.

Any Greek caught resorting to physical violence on a perp should be charged with 1st degree assault and their chapter charter revoked.

Greeks should lower their profile if they want to get good quality members (that means no stepping/party-walking, no decorative 'nalia, no signs or calls). Just plain t-shirts and jackets with the letters and community service activities. Prospectives IMHO are MUCH more likely to join for the right reasons.

There should be a book, course, or seminar for prospectives on Black Greek life: what it is and isn't, terminology, what it's all about, and that highly revered "D" word. A Black Greek "From Here to Fraternity" if you will. Lawrence Ross, I think you are on to something.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY,

The hazing/pledging issues discussed recently will not have any real meaning or effect until one of the NPHC orgs goes bankrupt and folds. I have been told by more than a few Greeks that it will occur by the year 2010. While I do not wish or hope that will be the case for any org, if that is what it will take before the NPHC will know that the victims' parents, the universities, and the legal system mean business, so be it.

BTW, I am NOT anti-NPHC, I am anti-nonsense and foolishness, and I have seen WAY too much of both in my college and post-graduate years.

@@Rainman: I find your radical thoughts interesting and I wanted to add a couple kind of in response to yours...

1. Hazing/pledging will always be a problem as long as it is a problem for non-NPHC orgs and for non-GLO orgs, as well.

I don't exactly understand why GLOs are expected to completely eradicate the problem of hazing/pledging ourselves when hazing/pledging exists in other realms of AmeriKKKan society. Once we address this hypocricy, people will see some consistency. As of right now, law makers are saying that hazing/pledging is illegal, but allowing sports teams and military institutions (under the guise of "military training" to learn how to protect our KKKountry) to behave as such. Doesn't make much sense to me and people will continue to haze/pledge (under different titles to make themselves think they're not doing it) if they see that it's still accepted SOMETIMES.

2. As for members being charged with 1st degree assault, that would be up to the person assaulted. I certainly don't think that charter revoking is a realistic option. If Joe assaults a perp, why should his chapter's charter get revoked? Throw Joe in jail, but unless his chapter had a meeting and plotted the thing out, leave the rest of the chapter out of it.

But, I respect you for speaking your mind on such controversial issues.

Re: Re: radical?...maybe.....a few ideas
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChaosDST
[B]I don't think that EVERY black man wants a white woman...but an overwhelming majority would probably let a white woman &&*&&^&*^&** (no disrespect to white women unless you let black men use you to &&*&&^&*^&**)

Exactly what I meant...I just didn't want to take it there :)
I also don't think GLO members have any special issues with trust. Most of us didn't get into this for friends and we can seperate organizational affiliations from friendships.

I dunno about this one...maybe I should say that some GLO members have been in an experience where they mistrusted someone on those basis...(?)

Despite what the media tells us, I don't think that ALL light skinned women think they're prettier than dark skinned women. As a light skinned woman (I hate speaking from personal experience b/c I know I'm not the norm) I spend a lot of my time explaining (particularly to black men) how lighter skin doesn't equal prettier. We already have a seperation between the races...let's not perpetuate seperation within the race.

Interesting....but unfortunately it is portrayed in the media as such. Although, I don't believe in #7, I am glad you responded. There is such a myth in the AmeriKKKan community that a Black woman's color is equated to her beauty. I think that this issue is deeper than this because it all goes back to the notion that being of lighter skin or darn near white or white makes you superior. This stigma has been generated in the AmeriKKKan culture since the concept of house Ni**a versus field Ni**a (mentality).

Re: Re: Re: radical?...maybe.....a few ideas
 

I see your points, but initially you weren't referring to what the MEDIA portrays. You said LIGHTSKINNED black women think they are prettier than darker shaded black women. That's putting the emphasis on the women themselves and not on the portrayals by the media.

So, to that I disagree. Or, I disagree with such a generalization...I find it more appropriate to say that society has it so that some lighter black women think they are prettier than darker black women simply because of the shade of their skin.

You are right... I didn't say media. This statement IS a generalization...meant to be radical...this is the basis of this thread ...right? But, I understand that you mean well...
It's okay to agree to disagree amicably..:)

P.S. I like your play on the word AmeriKKKa...very befitting!

uh...ok.....

i was just making sure i interpreted the generalization correctly....

I believe:

that the progress that blacks made before the civil rights movement is attributable to our desire to improve our lives ourself and not rely on others. we did not do it because we were backed by the republicans (party of lincoln) or the democrats. we backed ourselves.

People have choices in their life. They may not be the most ideal choices, but one would hope the person would select the best option of the choices available. With that said believe it or not but we DO have control over how we live our lives, who we marry etc. Believe me you have choices and will be judged by God for those choices. A person will not be able to offer the excuse at the pearly gates that they had not control, didn't know anything about it or it was someone else's fault.

Finally, with the upcoming holiday season, i believe that it should be against the law to make and distribute fruit cake;)

Asians, Hispanic, and especially black women should leave those BLOND do's alone!

TTT (if you don't mind DST mods)

This is an interesting topic...
 

That burns me up:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


I DON'T think that it is ok for a black man to date a white woman or outside of his race...

but I think it is great when black women do:p It has to do with the idea that we as black women are so undesirable that our own men don't want us. So, a black woman dating a white or non-black man proves that not only is this idea wrong;) ;) , but we can have any man we desire and that we are desirable.

*Majority of people from the 18-22 (college age) age group have not reached their peak in emotional maturity, lol.

*People, particularly non-blacks, who claim that they hate rap, yet love Eminem are being hypocritical and biased. This is a no-brainer, but I haven't heard many people say anything about that observation.

*I'm surpised that even more rapes, child molestations, and child abductions do not happen-women are way too trusting of men and parents are way too trusting of their children's surroundings.

* I believe that people are born gay, but God can give them the power to overcome it.

* I believe four years of foreign language should be required for high school students who plan on going to college.

* I believe that interracial relationships are just fine. If a black man wants to date a white woman he should be able to without having to worry about people making comments to him or giving him dirty looks. If I want to date a white man, the same rules should apply.

* I believe the one and only reason we went to war with Iraq was to gain control of their oil fields.

* I believe abortion is selfish in most circumstances.

* I believe believe that not all blacks can dance, and unfortunately I'm one of them :(

* and finally I do not think that Mary J. Blige, Brandy, Ashanti, or Janet Jackson can sing.

My soapbox http://superbabies.homestead.com/files/newsoap.gif

I am anti-reparations
I am agnostic (and yes I have a lot of family members who are AME, Baptist and COGIC)
I am not "down" with organized religion
Welfare should not be a way of life. Tax money should be spent on education and not supporting people who made bad choices.
I am anti-reparations
I believe that gays should marry (Way to go Canada on legalizing that...it is about time) http://superbabies.homestead.com/files/bow.gif

Orphaned or foster Children should be adopted into any loving home environment, regardless of the race or sexual orientation of the household.

I believe in capital punishment...fry the bastards!

Domestic violence: The first time a man hits you...it is HIS fault...the second time, it is YOUR fault! Get the f*ck outta there!

I do NOT use the term African American-I have YET to tell someone to "kiss my african american ass" I use blacka nd white

I believe that interracial relationships are just fine. If a black man wants to date a white woman he should be able to without having to worry about people making comments to him or giving him dirty looks. It ain't nobody's bidness who my husband is...if you got a problem, then it is YOUR problem....get over it! :rolleyes:

Prochoice Soapbox http://superbabies.homestead.com/files/newsoap.gif

AGAINST ABORTION? Then dammit don't have one! It is between a woman and her doctor! (Yes I have Marched on Washington)
Oh yeah WTF is up with these MEN who are walking the protest lines? The day you can have periods, get pregnant, and have a baby, THEN you can talk to me...until then shut the F up!




Animal related: Declawing cats should be outlawed
People who don't take the time and (miminmal amount of money) to spay and neuter their pets do NOT need to be pet owners

People who abandoned animals should be shot

I believe that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) are a bunch of fruitcakes. If you want to help animals then donate time, food and money to your animal shelter. Campaign for no kill shelters...DO NOT give money to PETA

Pets are family members (ya can tell I LOVE my cats)

I may get flamed but here goes....

* I believe children or older kids should stay in their grade and repeat it regardless of their age. If you are 7 going on 8 and still in Kindergarden, you better start learning something...

* I believe in Hammurabi's Code of Laws. Applying these laws would help control our society's issues, lol.

* I believe the government should get rid of the STUPID labels and titles on applications on almost EVERYTHING, i.e. Black Hispanic, White Hispanic, Non-White Hispanic, etc. What if someone is Hispanic with one Black parent and one White parent? Now what do you check? I say lose the LABELS!

* I believe that the word "Hispanic" encompasses WAY TOO MANY different types of people and cultures from TOO many countries, thus opening doors and allowing A LOT of assumptions and generalizations when referring to someone who is "Hispanic" i.e. "He's with that Hispanic girl (READ: Spanish girl, White girl, etc.)"

* I believe Black men SHOULD choose whoever they want to marry or be with. It should be more about finding the MOST COMPATIBLE person to share life with, rather than "because of RACE."

* I believe that Black women who give me a "look" while I am walking down the street with my man are JEALOUS(?) :rolleyes: (I don't even know you!) It gets annoying and old very quickly. :mad: I mean come on...do you REALLY care if I am with a Black man?

* I believe that everyone has a sixth sense (not like ESP or paranormal, more like a "feeling"); some just have it more "enhanced" than others, like IQs, etc. Like the "feeling" you get when you walk into a room and sense the vibe, or when you know someone is looking at you.

* I believe that EVERYONE in this country SHOULD speak ENGLISH - MANDATORY! (I will give you some slack if you are willing to learn or just learning.) Just because you speak to me in another language DOES NOT mean that I HAVE TO REPLY BACK in the same language you used!!! :mad: I don't feel like speaking in another language! :cool:

Soror, what is this? I have never heard of it. Thanks in advance for the enlightenment. :)

Hello Soror:

"During the years from 1792-1750 BC, Hammurabi was King of Babylonian. He founded an empire that was eventually destroyed by raids from Asia Minor. His code of laws, found on a column at Susa, is one of the greatest of the ancient codes. He lived in the ancient empire of Mesopotamia. Historically the name refers to the first dynasty of Babylon established by Hammurabi (1750 BC) and to the Neo-Babylonian period after the fall of the Assyrian Empire. Hammurabi, who had his capital at Babylon, issued a famous code of laws for the management of the empire. Babylonian religion and cuneiform writing were derived from the older culture of Sumer. Hammurabi based the code of laws on older collections of Sumerian and Akkadian laws, which he revised and expanded.

One principle of the Code of Hammurabi is that "the strong shall not oppress the weak". The code begins with him celebrating military victories. He promises to treat conquered peoples justly and he honors their gods. The provisions of the code cover many legal matters, including false accusations, witch craft, military service, land and business, regulations, family laws, tariffs, wages, trades, loans, and debts."

I learned about them in middle school in my history class. Here's a link that lists the laws. After learning about them, I always wondered why we don't apply them today (of course with some modifications to reflect our times)...I'm sure it would solve some of the crime in today's society. Laws need to be stricter: Hammurabi's Code of Laws (scroll down and begin reading "The Code of Laws"). Basically: "If a man put out the eye of another man, his eye shall be put out."

"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." :o

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great one C4!!!!!! :D
LOL@Sammy Sosa!

I believe that people are born with the knowledge of what's right and wrong. It's just a matter of following our intuition.

I believe that the more I try to do the right thing and follow my intuition, the more people will hate me.

I believe people are naturally "bad" but learn to control their animalistic behaviors.

I believe in the conspiracy theory that the government is collecting a file on every man via ATM cards, satellite's that come into our homes, school records, ss#'s, gas cards, taxes, bank accounts, medical records. Now they want to put a nagivational system in your car so that if you get lost, they can find you. Oh, and you have to pay for it. Some where out there, there's a file on us all. Step out of line and your going down!

What's up with not supporting reparations! What if the government paid back the black community in the form of NEW COMPUTERS IN OUR SCHOOLS, and other like programs that will bring our schools up to par (making them more competitive with white rural schools). What about reparations in the form of UPGRADING THE LIVING CONDITIONS IN THE PROJECTS AND GHETTO's. Really, it's your opinion ... but I'm sick with it. It hurts to come on a predominately black forum and here opposition to programs established to help our people. What ever people!!!:mad:

Basically.

Also stop using fossil fuels. Let's use renewable energy

The black folks with money (I'm talkin' millionaires) put their money together and start a network of Black private schools.

Banish the electoral college

Make U.S. companies with plants outside the country abide by U.S. labor laws

Reparations for Native Americans

Reparations for African-Americans (not money, I have some other ideas)

Fund all elections with public money, no private contributions so that not only the rich get their say

NAACP, NUL, and all BGLO's admit that YES we are elitist and bourgeoisie and need to get more active with the lower class

Admit that we all need to overhaul our intake systems and until we do we risk extinction

Europe paying reparations to African countries and companies like DeBeers pay reparations to citizens and give African countries back their natural resources

We take North Korea seriously

We start a new Black Cultural Revolution

YES BROTHER. LET'S HEAR THAT AGAIN!!!!!

Big up to Brooklyn. Harlem got love for ya.

I do not believe that regular programming and events should STOP on September 11th. I feel like the media is trying to make so much money and get so many ratings off of this day and in essence they are turning it into "National Terrorism Day". I am somewhat weary of the coverage...not that I don't care, I just am like...DAMN! I mean, how many different views can you have and still call it news? EVERYONE HAS A STORY!!!!! I have a story, but who the hell wants to hear my 9/11 story? I just feel like we shouldn't rehash the gory details over and over and over.

There...I feel better. :o

That's the media for you... ;)

TTT-This thread is a classic

I think there should be way more stiffer penalties for people who disobey traffic laws. I think soooo many fatal accidents can be prevented if people just slow the hell down!