Re: FYI
 

I was curious....so I checked out this new person's GC profile. Lawdy...it's HDIC!

HC we haven't gotten any response? Cat got your tongue? :D
(bad thought!)

You need a whippin'
 

Bad Soror, just bad!

See, when the "it" hits the fan, I'm going to be on the Ave. :p

Re: Re: FYI
 

Sawrah, you're sooooo bad.
CTHU. CTHU. CTHU.

Re: Re: FYI
 

Now see, you didn't have to go there!!! LMAO :eek: :D :D

Blue Pi is too close to Blue Phi and EEEEEEE PPPPP or whatever is too close to EEE Yipppp . I mean I love everybody gay, bi, straight and I just think that people are just using Greek letters just because. I mean people our letters have a true meaning ang history!!!! I dunno ....... whatever floats their boats



Zeta Phi Beta Iz The Only Way!!!!
"Sexy Girls Wear 5 pearls"

Greetings
I just had to post another reply concerning OEPi. Someone can into GreekChat and explained why these use the inverted triangle so why is that still an issue? Also I have talked to a member of the sorority extensively and she has enlightened me on several things deaing with the sorority. If anyone wants to talk to her you can IM her on yahoo under the name acinorej.
I decided that instead of messing with these women I would be a woman and ask what is the deal?
While talkng to her she admitted that the Ivy Stance was used and was sorry because she thought that was disrespectful. She and I also spoke on the colors that OEPi used as well as the handsign. I was more than curious on where they can from. For more information you can contact her @ acinorej@yahoo.com.

naaaaa. Since she is "greek" she can come to GC and hang out, ya know and speak for herself.


:cool: :D

psst: Why are folks discussing their orgs business? :confused:

What is up with you and the instigating? This is the 2nd time for you trying to start some mess on this thread. No one is "afraid" to go one-on-one with anyone regarding any issue. Like AKA2D said, she can post here & speak for herself & her organization. I'm sure she doesn't need a spokesperson. Speaking of which, who are you to put her e-mail address out like that?

No one is "messing" with these women. No one has condemned them or said they don't have the right to create an organization for them. The ONLY thing that's been said is if you're going to be original, BE ORIGINAL. DO YOU. Apparently that's too much to ask these days. :rolleyes:

All I can say is WOW. That's it...I'm so shook by everything I've just read...

Are they for real?

Wow
 

That was bad!!!

But oh sooo funny!:D

Executive board reatreat 2001: Is that a bottle of Smirnoff on the table?

You all are wrong about them not having an audience at the probate show. If you look carefully you can see that 1 dude in the yellow shirt (to the far right).

Note to Moderators:
I know this belongs in the "An Open Letter To..." thread, but I just have to put it out there:

Exuberance,
Come on now dawg, your half-open blazer IS JUST WRONG.
http://www.plauder-smilies.de/nono.gif


Did anyone notice their Programs/events page is titled:
"Just when you thought there was nothing to do"....

Doesn't their PICTURE DAY fit perfectly under that heading?

****hey everyone, don't forget tomorrow is Picture Day...Wear your best t-shirt and jeans....we'll be taking flicks sitting on the big illuminated ball and all that good stuff****

Re: Re: FYI
 

You got me CTFU!!!:D :D :D...."cat got your tongue"!!! Too funny!

WOW! A Smirnoff...Yeah, they're getting down to business, huh...:D...And the Pic Day reminds me of when I was in Jr. High, w/ the different colored designed/shapes in your background and the "ghetto poses" (like the "prison pose" where you kneel down w/ you under your chin, etc.)?!

as usual i am all late....

the best form of flattery is imitation.

as a lesbian woman of color and a member of one of the largest african american sororities, i applaud these ladies for taking this major step into creating a social group for lesbian women.

ladies and gents, be mindful of what these ladies must have gone through when creating this sorority. personal jests at appearances should be just that...personal. some of the comments are coming out very tasteless.

this forum is for upliftment, encouragement and fun.

MaMaBuddah you are always insightful. I have a question for you. Do you driscrimination within your organization because of your sexual preference?

I give them props for creating such an organization, b/c obviously they felt the need for it...However, I feel that they could have been more "tasteful", classy, and business-oriented in doing so. Like, having a Smirnoff at their Exec Board Retreat? And their line names? That's tasteless and unprofessional. Just my opinion...My lesbian friends are not impressed by their lack of sophistication either...

But, to each his (or her) own...

librasoul22...

i am not sure that i understand your question. please rephrase it :) thank you for the compliment!


not that i am a advocate of OEPI. they can keep on keeping on. the smirnoff bottle is not a big issue, nor are their lines names but these ladies are doing something in the gay/lesbian/transgender community. i think that is what really counts. they are covering issues in a community that none of the Divine 9 has ever stepped in, beside dealing with the AIDS issue.

I couldn't take it anymore
 

Greetings Members of Greek Chat:
My sorors informed me of Omicron Epsilon Pi being a topic of discussuion here so I thought that I would reply to some of the jests, insults and disrespect. I understand why AKA would be upset because of the IVY stance. I do apoligize for that.
1: Executive Board Retreat and Smirnoff(sp) issue
That picture was taken at a birthday party for one of my sorors
that was held the same weekend as the EB retreat.
2: The inverted triangle:
It is not intended to be a spin on the Delta pyramid nor a cooch as someone so eloqently stated. The inverted triangle is a long time symbol is the GLBT community.
3: Our colors:
Last time I checked colors are just that COLORS. Several organizations have similiar if not the same colors. Our colors we chosen because the also have roots in the GLBT community.
4: Our Line Names:
I am not sure why there was an issue with that.
5: Picture Day
People have lives to lead and sometimes you have to schedule certain events to get the results you need or want.
Everyone wonders why we came onto the scene. If you go through and read some of the reactions to us then you will see the need for our organization. I am more than happy to answer INTELLIGENT questions regarding my organzation.

Re: I couldn't take it anymore
 

1. Welcome to GC :D
2. Are you the founder, national president, or PR person? :D
3. Enjoy your stay :cool:

You can say that I am the PR person for this particular subject.

The real issues at hand are being twisted
 

Of course, I can only speak for myself, but I'm almost certain this applies to the majority of folks who responded in this thread:

***Sexual Preference, the reason why the sorority came to exist, its purpose, and the issues that the members are covering ARE NOT the issue here.***

Without going back and reading each and every post, I think it is pretty safe to say the above mentioned was neither said nor implied.

Like someone so eloquently mentioned earlier, the issue was a matter of taste (or lack of it in this case). Some of the folks who have posted may have problems with other things such as colors, stances, hand signs, etc. all of which have absolutely nothing to do with the issues I mentioned above.

In my opinion all concerns expressed in this thread so far are indeed valid. As far as the comments on personal appearances and such... again most of the comments are addressing the issue of at least trying to show a bit of class and tastefulness.

MaMaBuddah, I pm'ed you. Upon re-reading my post, my grammar definitely left something to be desired, lol.

Indulgent, since you apologized for the ivy stance does that mean that your org will adjust it?

I am curious as to whether or not any of you actually pursued membership into a D9 sorority? (Not that it is my business, discretion and all of that, but how would you know about the level of prejudice within the orgs if you did not pursue membership?)

Mocha
 

Mocha you hit it right one the head!(doing the V for victory sign)

I would also too like to know if some members didn't find what they needed in the NPHC sororities.

QTE

In response
 

I have seen first hand the level of discrimination that openly gay and lesbians individuals go through when applying into membership in a D9 org. As a crusader for GLBT rights I have run into more prejudice from African Americans that any other group.
I have also seen how friends of mine have had to hide themselves to be accepted by thier sorors and frats.
I am wondering about the taste issue. The Omicron site is very well put together and the information is concise. We are women that have dared to step on a limb to help our own community.
I am not able to speak for all my sorors but 3 of us are legacies of D9 sororities but we all chose to go a different route. The route that we chose will help us in the future just as the choices you all made will help you in the future.
Can someone please explain to me what they think is tasteless about us besides the fact that we are a sorority for lesbians.
By the way I personally made sure that the Ivy stance was never used again. Once again I am sorry for that but nothing else will I apoligize for .

Re: In response
 

Indulgent,

This comment is a bit outrageous. As I said before, sexual preference is not the issue here. It seems to me that no matter what is being said here, even when it is explained and elaborated on, it is being made to seem like it's an anti-gay/lesbian issue. This is not the case.
Once again, although you seem to want to adamantly believe this is about your organization being unfairly discriminated against for being a lesbian sorority...it is not.
It is about being tacky. Bottom line. No ulterior motives, no hidden prejudices, no anti-gayness going on, just straight up people making comments on what they perceive to be tasteless based on what we see on your website.
I can only speak for myself...but again....what I personally commented on was the Smirnoff bottle and one of your sisters who had on the half open blazer.
1) I did read your explanation of the Smirnoff bottle and I want to thank you for even clearing that up for me. But, without an explanation..just looking at the picture, "Why is there a bottle of liquor on the table at the Exec. retreat?" was a question that came to mind. That in itself maybe isn't that serious. Yes,you had a birthday celebration during the same weekend. The fact that the picture was chosen to go up on the website despite the Smirnoff bottle being visible was what I considered tacky. I know I like to enjoy a drink here and there just like everyone else, but if I had a 40 ounce of Budweiser on the table in a picture entitled "Boule 2002" up on my website...I would expect my sorors and everyone else to comment on the tackiness.
2) Your soror's half open blazer...shouldn't have been. It has nothing remotely to do with being anti-lesbian.
(I believe a few of the members had on the same type of blazer...I didn't comment on everyone...just her. ) It doesn't even have anything to do with size. It has to do with wearing something unflattering...something that you know you can not fit for a picture that will be on your organization's website.

I understand your concerns about what is being said on this thread, but please take them at face value and do not try to turn it into something bigger than it really is. Some things are just straight forward without any hidden agendas behind them, you know?

Soror..you got that right!!! :D

Now...IndulgentEPP - - Welcome...We've been waiting for you. I am the person who, so eloquently, commented on your "triangle" hand sign resembling "a cooch".

My soror, Sexy Mocha, has already explained the reasoning behind some of our comments. I have no issues with a group of women organizing a sorority for lesbians. In fact, if that was all there was to it, then I'd simply say "kudos" and keep on walking. However, that is NOT what your organization has done. You have BLATANTLY adopted "something" from each of the D4 sororities...you can chalk the triangle thing up to a coincidence, but sorry, I don't buy that.

Further, your organization has represented itself on a PUBLIC website with a lack of regard for taste and class. You all put your own selves out there for public review. Sure, my sorors probably all had a drink or two at a Boule reception or some other conference. However, those pictures would surely not be on public display. It's all about representation.

I care not one bit whether or not you all are gay...though there are gay members in all of the D4 sororities. To my knowledge, none of our founding prinicples have anything to do with sexual orientation. Therefore, I'm still a little hazy as to the necessity of a new org. I am curious, however, about the reactions of your sorority sisters' mothers who are members of D4 orgs.

Also, what are your organization's community service projects? I see information regarding breast cancer awareness. What specific projects do your chapters have to promote this and other causes. Do you work with youth in your communities..and if so, are community organizations very "receptive" to your volunteerism?

Help me here...I'm actually trying to get a further understanding of your organization. Right now, I'm BLINDED by the open blazers and your sisters in MY SORORS' IVY STANCE. (though, I thank you for your explanation...the pictures are STILL on the website and need to be removed)

IndulgentEpp,

one of my wonderful sorors posted something i thought was interesting and i am going to post a couple:



1. Never apologize for pursuing what makes you happy. Even if you need to quit your job, transfer schools or move across country, always do what you really want.

4. Never apologize for being successful. Only haters want to keep you at their level.

21. Never apologize for your taste in clothing. It's your style.

22. NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR CHANGING YOUR MIND.

25. Never apologize for being you.


thank you for visiting our forum. :)

Great advice...
 

Here's another one:
(This is geared more towards everyone else)

Never apologize for expressing your feelings. When you do so, you apologize for the truth.

IndulgentEpp,

I don't think anyone on here was trying to "attack" you or your organization, but sometimes what might apprear as a personal attack could actually be constuctive criticism. My sorority is not Divine 4, BUT, we have to remain on our toes so our sorority can be the best it can be. There are a few things that we or any sorority for that matter, should keep in mind when representing their org. For one, we all want to represent our orgs. in the most positive light as well as our sisters. If we wear clothing (while representing the sorority) that makes us appear "hoochie" that is what people will associate the rest of us as. Being in a sorority, we do represent class and sophistication. As some other people mentioned, you don't want to have any kind of ambiguity between class and distastefulness. Second, with the issue of drinking, a lot of new orgs make the mistake of putting pics on their website that have "bottles". Just keep in mind that the internet reaches a ton of people everyday and a lot of people already think all Frats and Sorors do is drink, we don't want to add any more fuel to the fire and receive unwanted attention. Although there is little unity in the greek community, outsiders see us as the same. So not only are we representing our orgs. but the greek community as a whole.

where are the pix and the guestbook... am i looking on the wrong site? http://www.oepi.com

on originality and legitimaticy w/ OEPi
 

in taking Sexy Mocha's line: "Never apologize for expressing your feelings. When you do so, you apologize for the truth."
additionally, writers (anyone, really) shouldnt give their opinions a disclaimer, but here goes.

with all the joking and questioning coming from greek org members about OEPi's origins, signs, line names, etc, some of it is blatantly copying other orgs. but honestly, can you ever be original? this is how all the great greek orgs camt to exist: the first NPC org was copied by the second, the seconf by the third. even the founders of AKA had to copy the model of the sorority to SOME extent to even start an org (regardless of how different NPHC and NPC are in tradition), and then the other 2 BGL sororities followed suit in some form or fashion.

original? not really. unique by their colors, signs, symbols, philantrophies, programs, etc? yes, up to a point. would it be different if OEPi used an NPC model vs an NPHC model? what about LGLOs? everyone needs to build something on a model of something else. couldnt invent a cell phone if there wasnt a landline phone, nor a CD player without a record player, or whichever analogy you want to conjure up.

its hard enough for these women to be who they are and to be accepted in their society, as black lesbians, just as black women in college during the early 1900s were not accepted as well in their respective societies (as a black person, as a female, as a collegian).

so while those of you who are laughing and what not about OEPi's wannabe Delta pyramid or Ivy Stance, lets flip it: dont you think there were white sorority women (as well as white men of fraternities) who were doing the same thing when BGLOs were being founded? i wouldnt be surprised.

while these women didnt have any rights to the answers they may have questioned to your respective founders, in a way they still had to prove themselves as a legitimate organization (not just to them, but to anyone who was watching), which, through time, they have done a great job in doing so.

it comes down to "are they for real?" as one poster put it, which i guess would be an initial response, but i could easliy assume that NPC org members, when BGLOs were being founded, were askng the same things at their meetings and such. OEPi needs the same time to prove their legitimacy. They wanna have liquor bottles on their website? not cool if a potential member was looking for a SERIOUS black lesbian greek orgainzation. my biggest problems are 1. that they dont require you to be in college. but if they DID require that, would that be copying? 2. theres a separation between the "femme" lesbians and "butch" lesbians. so much for unity withing the black lesbian community.

i know, i know. "well youre not part of a greek org, so you wouldnt understand..." or "black women didnt choose to be black women/homosexuals chose to be homosexuals... they bring their issues on themselves" but everyone needs somewhere to feel like the belong. if a potential woman wants to join OEPi, and she feels like that should be her home, why question their motives? to each their own.

so like i said, OEPi needs to legitimatize themselves...get their exectutive board positions filled, make sure their retreat functions arent associated with drinking, get some more chapters, members, national programs, and eventually recognized by a GLO council (which i dont see happening b/c of the way the world works)...

overall represent themselves in a legitimate manner, and the only way for them to do this, in the eyes of GLO members and non-members alike, is to copy in one way or another.

*not meaning to bump, but*

:confused:

GAP/GAP

http://www.thetanuxi.org/professional.html
http://www.oepi.com/gap.htm

Am I ready WAY too much into it?

ETA: While we're on the subject...

Theta Nu Xi - founded 1997

"Theta Woman" - written 1998

Kappa Theta Lambda - founded 2001

"Kappa Woman" - written sometime after 2001

No, you're not That is hilarious! :D

That's a dam shame. I'm trying to figure out if they are trying to be funny or what or they just ran out of ideas/originality? :confused:

lol I remember when I sent you that link about Kappa Theta Lambda-I had seen a flyer on campus, checked out the site and contacted nationals...apparently one of the members was trying to set up a chapter at FSU-or at least had a flyer for an interest meeting...but what people fail to realize is that you cannot do anything officially on campus before they are officially recognized by Greek life...

I did NOT like the similarities between the Kappa Woman and Theta Woman poem...WAY too close to home...

I really think people don't realize that there are people like us out there in ALL orgs who do pay attention. They seem to think they can just get away with anything without being found out. Hmmm...

ETA: Ah the memories! Private I, remember this:

The Founding Monarchs :o of Sigma Chi Delta Multicultural Sorority - founded 2002.

lol This has happened before but in a WORD for WORD kind of way.....Private I and Preciousjeni, ya'll remember. :rolleyes:

I seem to recall that, Soror Whirlwind.

I guess they thought they were the STARS of the multiculturaL show. :D

Imitators, please read my sig.

And, many thanks to Delta Sigma Theta for the use of your forum! You ladies are very kind!!!!

All I can say on this is.........

EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH???? :eek: