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Unregistered- 12-14-2008 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by marmar55 (Post 1754588)
I mean to disrespect to the national organization involved, but I think it's nice to explain why our local was founded. I'm sure this experience is not a reflection on the great things that KD has done, past and present, but our history is something we're proud of. also, nationals have their basic history on their sites too...

Sororities have their history on their website, but they usually don't include anything that might be seen as damaging to another organization. :rolleyes:

You can be proud of your history all you want, but I find your written history tacky...and I know I'm not the only one.

marmar55 12-14-2008 08:24 PM

well, I apologize to those who are offended and I would rather not have my sorority slandered on the internet as well, so I will delete the posts. I would also appreciate it if the quotations were taken off too, because I am not here to offend anyone nor to be offended by others
whether or not you agree, these are the facts and the reason or sorority was founded and I am proud of our beliefs.

preciousjeni 12-14-2008 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by marmar55 (Post 1754591)
well, I apologize to those who are offended and I would rather not have my sorority slandered on the internet as well, so I will delete the posts. I would also appreciate it if the quotations were taken off too, because I am not here to offend anyone nor to be offended by others
whether or not you agree, these are the facts and the reason or sorority was founded and I am proud of our beliefs.

You don't have to leave because we've said something you don't agree with. And, no one has slandered your organization. It is bad form to use your history to talk about what other specific organizations are (or were) not rather than celebrating what you are. Instead of naming Kappa Delta, why not simply allude to the unfortunate discriminatory practices within the context of membership selection conducted by some Greek organizations in the 1960s. That would be a classier way to handle it and would reflect much better on your sorority.

Obviously, I'm not a member of your organization, but in the spirit of Greek unity and cooperation, I hope you take what we've said into account and at least consider it.

KSUViolet06 12-14-2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1754596)
You don't have to leave because we've said something you don't agree with. And, no one has slandered your organization. It is bad form to use your history to talk about what other specific organizations are (or were) not rather than celebrating what you are. Instead of naming Kappa Delta, why not simply allude to the unfortunate discriminatory practices within the context of membership selection conducted by some Greek organizations in the 1960s. That would be a classier way to handle it and would reflect much better on your sorority.

Obviously, I'm not a member of your organization, but in the spirit of Greek unity and cooperation, I hope you take what we've said into account and at least consider it.


Exactly. Putting Kappa Delta in your history is not the issue. The issue is that it seems like KD was included just so they couldbe made out to be "the discriminatory national sorority," thereby making your local look like the "champion of diversity."

I just feel like your history should be about YOU. Not about what other orgs are (or were) not.

Unregistered- 12-14-2008 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1754619)
Exactly. Putting Kappa Delta in your history is not the issue. The issue is that it seems like KD was included just so they couldbe made out to be "the discriminatory national sorority," thereby making your local look like the "champion of diversity."

I just feel like your history should be about YOU. Not about what other orgs are (or were) not.

http://kappadeltasigma.com/?page_id=2

Just in case people were wondering.

marmar55 12-14-2008 10:42 PM

to all-
thank you for your advice. this is something I will bring up in a meeting and hope to change, for the better of my group as well as all.
I would now respectfully ask that this issue be dropped. I apologize for bringing up both my sorority as well as our information and understand that this is my own fault, but I do not want my sorority to be discussed in a negative light publicly like this because we are a wonderful group of girls that have a great sisterhood, something that can't be rightly discussed or displayed through an online blog.
now, I understand that the use of another national in a more negative light in the history is the issue and thus, I may be seen as hypocritical in my request, but like I said, I will work to change this in the future, seeing as now I do not have an exec position and this write up was far before my time.
I also would like to say, again, that I feel the national organization under discussion is a great one and has done amazing things, past and present, for women all over the country. I also would like to say that I have friends in this organization at other schools and respect them greatly.
thank you all for your time and cooperation.

KSUViolet06 12-14-2008 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by marmar55 (Post 1754632)
to all-
thank you for your advice. this is something I will bring up in a meeting and hope to change, for the better of my group as well as all.
I would now respectfully ask that this issue be dropped. I apologize for bringing up both my sorority as well as our information and understand that this is my own fault, but I do not want my sorority to be discussed in a negative light publicly like this because we are a wonderful group of girls that have a great sisterhood, something that can't be rightly discussed or displayed through an online blog.
now, I understand that the use of another national in a more negative light in the history is the issue and thus, I may be seen as hypocritical in my request, but like I said, I will work to change this in the future, seeing as now I do not have an exec position and this write up was far before my time.
I also would like to say, again, that I feel the national organization under discussion is a great one and has done amazing things, past and present, for women all over the country. I also would like to say that I have friends in this organization at other schools and respect them greatly.
thank you all for your time and cooperation.

Note: No one here is saying that you guys are a "bad group."

mander839 02-06-2009 06:33 PM

Im Kappa Tau Gamma .. and as many of you may know its one of the Frats on the show Greek .. not quite a real organization but still ...

xomanadaxo 09-09-2009 06:01 PM

I know this is quite belated, but I felt I had to post something in response to this...
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Originally Posted by marmar55 (Post 1754591)
whether or not you agree, these are the facts and the reason or sorority was founded and I am proud of our beliefs.

I'm really glad you are proud of your beliefs, and I admire any organization, regardless of size, who is able to stand independently of a NPC sorority/other national GLO. This is an admirable quality and speaks to the caliber of women in your organization. However, what was written on your website deeply saddened me. As a Kappa Delta, I pride myself on the level of open-mindedness I see at both the local and national level. There are over 200,000 women who call themselves Kappa Deltas. I can assure you that the vast majority of my 200,000 sisters are kind, open minded people. It is unfortunate that your chapter did not experience this in the past, however please also look at your own history from a larger perspective: the time in which your chapter was affiliated with national Kappa Delta was not a time in American history known for its openness to racial diversity. In fact, your founding mothers left national Kappa Delta during the heart of the civil rights movement. I state these things only in the hope that you may better understand why those things may have happened. It does not excuse them, but I hope you understand that that was a different time. Kappa Delta today is a vibrant and diverse organization with members from every race, creed and orientation imaginable. As with any organization, mistakes have been made in the past. I'm sure there isn't a single sorority out there that doesn't have some less-than-perfect actions somewhere in their history. However, Kappa Delta as a whole is a wonderful organization that works to promote confidence and diversity in women everywhere. I apologize for resurrecting an old argument, but I felt I had to defend my beloved Kappa Delta. KD is a place where I have found unconditional acceptance from women of all races and beliefs; I encourage you to take a look at our website (http://www.kappadelta.org) and some of the beliefs/values of our sorority before you write off the entire organization as something it's not. Thank you.

xomanadaxo 09-09-2009 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GC2theEC (Post 1414524)
I'm in a local sorority over at Elmhurst College in Illinois and we were originally the Little Sisters of Alpha Tau Omega but they're no longer on campus. Now we're Gamma Chi. I haven't heard of any real organizations with our name but people always get us confused with recruitment guides and Gamma Gamma Chi.

My mom was a Gamma Chi at Grove City College in Pennsylvania!

als463 09-09-2009 08:03 PM

WOW
 
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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1754589)
Sororities have their history on their website, but they usually don't include anything that might be seen as damaging to another organization. :rolleyes:

You can be proud of your history all you want, but I find your written history tacky...and I know I'm not the only one.

OTW-thanks for adding the link. The tacky history is still there. I find it interesting that they don't want to be part of a certain NPC, yet they kept the first two letters of that NPC. I think it is def. in poor taste to have that on their site. They could have just left it at not believing in the same things as that GLO and not adding more to the description.

Poor Site. Poor Taste. Just Tacky.:rolleyes:

naraht 09-10-2009 10:34 AM

Sharing a name - Alpha Phi Omega
 
When Alpha Phi Omega (now refered to as a National Service Fraternity) was founded in 1925, there were at least 5 locals that had the name Alpha Phi Omega. None of those locals still exist, however the one at Ripon College still existed as of the time that we expanded to the school in the 1950s. I think there was a stretch of about 5 years with Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity and Alpha Phi Omega, local social fraternity both existed. The local affiliated with Phi Delta Theta. However this still occasionally leads people to try to add Spencer Tracy (who was a brother of the local Alpha Phi Omega at Ripon in the 1920s) to lists of Notable alumni.

Schools with local Alpha Phi Omega fraternities include Ripon, North Georgia Agricultual College, North Dakota Agricultural College, Wake Forest (which affiliated with Pi Kappa Alpha) and U of Texas school of Mines.

I've got some old pins for Alpha Phi Omega that I've bought on eBay that I'm absolutely sure aren't for Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity. Sort of interesting to see the reaction of brothers at events when you bring them out. :)

LocalDGPhi139 09-19-2009 06:49 PM

There's a Delta Gamma Phi Fraternity somewhere, (we're the sorority version) but I forget where. Anybody know?

AOII Angel 09-19-2009 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1845222)
OTW-thanks for adding the link. The tacky history is still there. I find it interesting that they don't want to be part of a certain NPC, yet they kept the first two letters of that NPC. I think it is def. in poor taste to have that on their site. They could have just left it at not believing in the same things as that GLO and not adding more to the description.

Poor Site. Poor Taste. Just Tacky.:rolleyes:

They kept a lot more than just the letters...I wonder how much of their ritual sounds like KDs?! I agree...tacky!

boleyn21 01-20-2010 01:42 AM

I'm in the process of starting a new local sorority at my school...Kappa Gamma Delta...and I thought I'd avoided using letters already in use, but looking through here I found another one at the University of Rio Grande.

LucyKKG 01-20-2010 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by boleyn21 (Post 1887100)
I'm in the process of starting a new local sorority at my school...Kappa Gamma Delta...and I thought I'd avoided using letters already in use, but looking through here I found another one at the University of Rio Grande.

Kappa Gamma Delta is also a medical sorority with more than one chapter. There are a few chapters around California.

OPhiAGinger 06-11-2010 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by naraht (Post 1845454)
I've got some old pins for Alpha Phi Omega that I've bought on eBay that I'm absolutely sure aren't for Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity. Sort of interesting to see the reaction of brothers at events when you bring them out. :)

I have a vintage Omega Phi Alpha badge that I know is not ours, but it's special to me anyway. I wish I could find out more about the source! In the meantime, I'll take good care of it for them.

naraht 06-11-2010 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OPhiAGinger (Post 1941854)
I have a vintage Omega Phi Alpha badge that I know is not ours, but it's special to me anyway. I wish I could find out more about the source! In the meantime, I'll take good care of it for them.

I know of two other Omega Phi Alpha's. A long time local at University of the Pacific that just went National with Delta Upsilon about 4 years ago. (http://www1.pacific.edu/student/opa/ is an old web page for them, google for "omega phi alpha" "university of the pacific" for a *lot* more.)

and one at Polytechnic University in New York (http://www.omegaphialpha.com). One of those could be the match.

Randy

pshsx1 06-11-2010 04:48 PM

I know there are two local Delta Tau Sigma sororities. The older one is located at my school, though. I know the one at my school wants to begin working on expansion so they can keep their name. :P

MaggieM 07-19-2010 06:28 PM

I'm part of Sigma Lambda Gamma in Canada - it's a local sorority at the University of Waterloo, but it's also a Latina sorority in the U.S.

rollthedice 09-16-2010 12:13 AM

This thread is disheartening. I am sad to see the assumptions about a local GLO. Yes it may feature something on their website that you disagree with, but I believe that it is very unfair to assume things about the organization based off of its website. Granted the history may make individuals feel uncomfortable and may be controversial, but to make assumptions about said organization is also inappropriate.

33girl 09-16-2010 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1845222)
OTW-thanks for adding the link. The tacky history is still there. I find it interesting that they don't want to be part of a certain NPC, yet they kept the first two letters of that NPC.

Could it be that they did that to honor their CHAPTER sisters, so they wouldn't feel so out of it if they returned as alumnae to a completely differently named group?

Plenty of groups break away from their national and use their chapter designation (given to them by the national!) as their new name. I don't see where that is any better.

KSUW 09-28-2010 02:49 AM

I'm in a local at the University of Wyoming called Delta Vega!! completely UNRELATED to 1: the planet Captain Kirk gets exiled onto in the newest Star Trek movie, and 2: I guess Delta Vega is also a planet that is mentioned in the LDS Church if I'm not mistaken... kinda wierd but both are UNRELATED to our local... I donno if that counts? hahah

mayor13 10-04-2010 08:43 PM

We researched our name prior to choosing it and as far as we know, no one has the same one as us. Please feel free to inform me otherwise.

Zeta Phi Lambda

baibai 11-11-2010 03:24 AM

i wanna start 1. alpha zeta alpha

ree-Xi 11-12-2010 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by baibai (Post 2002907)
i wanna start 1. alpha zeta alpha

1. Go to school. Get an education. PLEASE.

2. Make friends in your high school. Heck, even make a club. Clean the neighborhood. Be selfless. Follow the law. Don't make up Greek letters. Dont' turn into a SORORITY or a gang.

3. If you make it to college, consider Greek life then. Anytime before, and because a bastardization of what it was once hoped to become.

xomanadaxo 11-12-2010 04:04 PM

I may be a little late to the game here, but ree-Xi, are you posting the same advice for all cases of founder-itis, or just this one? (Brilliant idea, by the way. My high school band director swore that repetition was the BEST way to convince anyone...no matter how thick-headed they may be. :rolleyes: )

zetariffic 01-29-2011 10:27 AM

Our local is named Zeta Alpha Pi. Our founders were friends with a lot of Beta Theta Pi's and spoke to them when forming the organization, and that kind led to the name.

Interestingly enough, the only other Zeta Alpha Pi that I've found is in this gem of a film:
http://www.indieflix.com/film/zap-aka-the-wicked-12159/

Omegaphibemidji 07-22-2014 05:56 PM

There are like 4 or 5 other Omega Phi's out there, and I thought that was rare, but I guess not!

tld221 05-12-2015 12:02 AM

Bumping to mention:

A Soror found another Sigma Gamma Rho at an airport - the girl was not exactly thrilled at meeting her "sister" LOL. She likely attended Pensacola Christian College. It seems like PCC uses greek names for their 48 Collegian clubs, which look like Intramural clubs. Or social clubs. Or community service orgs. I can't tell. It seems very "everyone join one and do stuff together in the name of the Lord" to me.

Their site does cite Greek Rush, but like... if you look at their school and their website... I'm not exactly worried about the overlap. I doubt our IHQ would be out to throw the book at them since it's obvious we were founded first. Their membership would hardly overlap ours, and we'd never have a chapter there.

naraht 05-12-2015 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 2315645)
Bumping to mention:

A Soror found another Sigma Gamma Rho at an airport - the girl was not exactly thrilled at meeting her "sister" LOL. She likely attended Pensacola Christian College. It seems like PCC uses greek names for their 48 Collegian clubs, which look like Intramural clubs. Or social clubs. Or community service orgs. I can't tell. It seems very "everyone join one and do stuff together in the name of the Lord" to me.

Their site does cite Greek Rush, but like... if you look at their school and their website... I'm not exactly worried about the overlap. I doubt our IHQ would be out to throw the book at them since it's obvious we were founded first. Their membership would hardly overlap ours, and we'd never have a chapter there.

Yes, and I think it is one of the situations where everyone is in one of the collegians...

And I loved https://www.pcci.edu/pathway/Student...tandards2.aspx

This may well be stricter than the rules that my alma mater had in the 1910s!

ARKTTKA 05-12-2015 05:50 PM

And I loved https://www.pcci.edu/pathway/Student...tandards2.aspx

This may well be stricter than the rules that my alma mater had in the 1910s![/QUOTE]

After reading that pcc standards page, I simply had to go grab my industrial sized can of "Fundy-Be-Gone"!!!

WhiteRose1912 05-12-2015 06:42 PM

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Physical contact between men and women (including non-students) is not allowed on or off campus.
This is poorly worded.

AOIIalum 05-13-2015 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ARKTTKA (Post 2315687)
And I loved https://www.pcci.edu/pathway/Student...tandards2.aspx

This may well be stricter than the rules that my alma mater had in the 1910s!

After reading that pcc standards page, I simply had to go grab my industrial sized can of "Fundy-Be-Gone"!!![/QUOTE]

No headphones/earbuds? Separate elevators? Staircases? Parking Lots?!?! My brain, it hurts.

zmv 08-16-2015 07:20 PM

I know Zeta Pi Omega shares our letters with another sorority in california, from a quick google search it looks like we're about ten years older than them. Not sure if we've tried reaching out to them. Its also slightly amusing because it looks like their colors are pink and white and ours are dark blue and silver... opposing colors :D


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