Well I see nothing wrong with a Pimp's and Ho parties. LIke someone mentioned, who says it has to be the girl who is the ho and the guy who is the pimp. I mean really anyone can be a Pimp and a ho regardless of sex.
As for a Pimp and Ho party being racisis. Hmm, I am a little lost, cause really like I said before any one race can have ho's and pimps. True some people take the party to the stereotypical view which is where things go wrong. But till then I see nothing wrong with the theme, It's fun and harmless. all fun and games folks
as always just my two cents
DGP~Honey~

When I was in college we had everything from a "Ghetto" (aka Friday) themed party to "Country Club" (aka Caddyshack) to the Dukes of Hazard where half the girls wore Daisy Dukes. Looking back I can see how they weren't the most PC events to put on and while I am not trying to justify it with the media, but nothing we participated in was in blatant direspect of a particular culture. Everyone has a different viewpoint on things.

For example, while I was in school a particular "socially conscious" group was up in arms about the Kappa Sigs Independence Party. At UT, the Kappa Sigs put on a Texas Independence party every March to celebrate....Texas' Independence from Mexico. Only instead of being Texans, they're Mexicans. They hang up Mexican flags outside of their house, serve 'Ritas & Fajitas the day before the big party and all of the pledges were sombreros. Are they making fun of the Mexican culture? Hardly! In the sixties & seventies, the Kappa Sig house used to be directly across from the UT Tower. Every year for Texas Independence the Texas Cowboys would fire up 'Ol Smokey (the cannon) in the direction of the Kappa Sig house. Tradition says that one year the Kappa Sigs came out of the house and windows with white flags to get the Cowboys to stop firing the cannon - surrendering (like the Mexicans did to the Texans)....only these guys wanted to go back to sleep and stop firing the cannon!

While this party may be an exception to the PC etiquette, I do believe some Political Correctness has gotten out of hand. A good rule of thumb is if you don't want to see your event in the press or embarass your mother, you probably shouldn't be doing it.

Disrespecting who?
 

Who are we suppose to be disrespecting dressing like a pimp and a ho? Not my people, because my people aren't into that life style. Now, if your's are into that life and you get hurt becuase we make fun and have fun at those that participate in that shit for real money making purpose, that's your hate and not mine. We do it for fun, nobody gets hurt, and it is totaly wrong to put this kind of fun in the same catogory as the Auburn delta sigs and betas party. They did it out of racist hatred towards blacks. We do it for fun and if a pimp and ho dislike this, email me pleaseeee. If a girl does not like this, why? Are you a ho in disguise? Who said it was only a girl who dresses like a ho? Shit, next party I was gonna dress like the ho and have my girl dress as a madame(lady pimp 4 y'all not to familiar wit the game;) ) It is just another party with another party theme. Like any other party you do it to have fun, but atleast we are not targeting a class and making fun. What about Doctor/Nurse parties? What is the difference? People come showing skin:eek: and play their role till the end of the party. If you have a real problem with this type of party, people you should not of joined a SOCIAL org. Maybe you shouldn't even join a community ser. and honor soc. because I heard they have some crazy parties. J/k if you have a problem just don't go, but I'll bet....you'll miss out on some FUN. To many real things to worry about.
-Heath
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Re: Re: Pimp and Ho Parties
 

that is the funniest thing i've heard all day :D

I have to agree with him. If we have that type of party at my school, The Department of Student Life would have a fit. I don't mind having fun as well as the next guy, but let's be honest, having this type of event would cause nothing but a major headache. I'm also a African-American and I'm not too keen on the idea of a Pimps and Ho's party. I'm for any other theme parties except this one.

All I can say is WOW. I never thought that people felt so strongly on that subject. First of all, as for the racist part... I'm not following, and I won't even try...
Now that that's out of the way. A Pimp and Ho theme came out last year at one of our chapters, but it was somehow put on the back burner and we did something else.
Personally, I think those parties are fun. I went to a rugby Pimps and hos party last year, I had a blast. I mean honestly, girls... what do you normally wear to go out to parties? Short skirts? Tight Black pants? Sparkles? (maybe not fishnets... granted) but still... when I went to that party last year, I wore a little skirt and a halter top... not MUCH different than what girls usually wear to go out. And we don't mean to offend anyone when we go to these parties... it's just a reason to go out, dress up, have fun, and drink (sometimes).
People these days are WAY too sensitive, if you ask me. (yes, I'm probably going to get some hateful messages cause of that comment).

And for you people who are completely against this... what are your feelings on Catholic School Girl and Dirty Old Men Mixer ? Cause, that was a blast... but aren't we then offending old men EVERYWHERE, and what about those poor little catholic school girls...

Something to consider before throwing a "Pimps and Ho's" Party is that such a party could be seen as celebrating a system in which women are frequently verbally, physically, and sexually abused in addition to being financially exploited by their pimps. I doubt that anyone sets out to throw a party thinking, "Hmm.. let's see what party we can throw that would celebrate a relationship that is violent towards women" but the truth is that many sex workers do experience much suffering at the hands of pimps. As members of organizations celebrating sisterhood, we really should be cognizant of the issues that affect all women (including those who don't meet the ideals of our organizations) and try to avoid themes that degrade our gender.
I'm realizing that all this makes me sound like a stuffy old woman (I am turning 27 next month) but it is something to think about. I'm sure that there are many other creative theme events that could be held instead. If nothing else, hold a "Sleazy Seventies" party, many of the same outfits could be worn!
Edited to add that I seen "Trailer Trash" socials mentioned in a few threads around here. I'd caution anyone considering throwing such a social could lend some fire to critics of your school's greek system's arguments that greek organizations are snobby. While such a party may be thrown in the spirit of good fun, it could be seen by those who weren't involved (i.e., students who just see the t-shirts around campus) as another example of the greek system making fun of those who come from a lower economic level. Again, I may be being old here, but it just seems like there are plenty of other social themes to choose from that aren't demeaning to others and that won't add to the old stereotypes about Greek life.

Good post greekalumna. Why not have a reverse party, like the girls come in just whatever clothes they happen to find last minute, and guys all wear matching t-shirts that took 3 hours of commitee time to decide on.

I don't thinkthat it's disrespectful because you aren't forcing anyone to go or dress in any particular way. If a girl wants to dress really sexy and go along with the theme that's great for her but if she would rather calm it down that should be cool too. I think it's a funny idea and I just think no one should take the words too seriously. :) Also about the words yeah it's a bit harsh but like you also need to see there are a lot of other racist ideas such as a white trash party or people can even think a Luau is kinda racist. It's bad when people take things so seriously and take the fun out of things by making them controversial.

I don't think it's a good idea. Not the proper example to set for greek life

Will this thread ever die? lol

HA! I dont' think so.

Anyway, we tried to do this and our school's administration actually put a stop to it. It might be because we're technically the "Honor Fraternity" (phi sigma pi) but to my knowledge i don't think any "real" greek has had this party yet either. we even tried to rename it to a Ladies and Gentlemen party and the admin slaughtered that too.

i dont think its a bad idea, i mean a "Pimps and ho's" party is all in fun.. i know people who have had them go very well... if you dont want to risk disrespect, try another theme party like i'v seen some that were Famers ball , or PJ Party or costume party just and idea :)

when did this discussion get revived?

NOooo....i don't think it's disrespectful at all! I've been to bout 2 of them at NC State and they are soo much fun!!!

It's all in good fun!

I think that Pimps n' Hos parties are awesome....and not really disrespectful...just alot of fun to get dressed up for!!!! :)

The question is, would you send in photos to your Nationals and go "Here are some pics from our "Pimps and Hos Party"", please publish them in our fraternity/sorority magazine?

I'm not against people dressing up sexily, but I do object to women being referred to as "whores" and even more so, to women referring to THEMSELVES as "whores".

Call it something else...they did in the Bridget Jones movie (remember the "Vicars and Tarts" party?)

Well, I personally wouldn't want a sorority that I am in to be having one, but if a fraternity threw one, I would probably go (I know I'm completely perpetuating the double standard here!)

A tart is just a british word for Hoe..... if hoe is disrespectful, then tart defintally is also.. :)

I would not have a problem with this, and no one at our national would make a stink with regards to the title or theme of the party. As long as it follows the university rules and nobody gets hurt, creative parties are a good idea.

I cannot believe that there is this big of an issue over this topic... our pimps and hoes party last spring was one of the biggest parties that we had all year, if women didn't want to be "hoes" they dressed up as pimps... and vice versa... it is a freakin costume party, and therefore the name describes the costumes, not the people in attendance... We have pictures from it on our chapter website, and no one from IHQ that has seen them have complained a bit... all of the people that are to cool to go to the party we probably didn't want there anyway.

bumping b/c it's an interesting topic and there's been lots of newbies to GC since then.

Any updated thoughts on this topic?

What about in light of Lil John and his Pimp Cup and all that stuff?

Has "pimp" sorta gained a new meaning? Yo man, that's pimp. Or you're pimping that shirt, etc.

Can't really say much about hoes aspect though, that hasn't changed.

Maybe it's just me, but to attend a party as a "ho" is disrespectful. Yes, it's just another costume party, but think about what you are dressing up as...

Yes, women have rights...in the US. But in many countries where prostitution is rampant, these "hoes" are SOLD into prostitution or are kidnapped and forced to "ho" it up for their pimp.

How would you like being forced to sleep with 10-15 guys a day and get no money, no freedom and no life outside of prostitution? This happens to women all over the world daily...unfortunately, many of these "hoes" are children.

By throwing a party, even in fun, that makes light of women being used and degraded is amazingly sad and I HIGHLY doubt that your nationals would actively support a party suce has this.

Aren't sororities supposed to build character and inspire women to be their best? I doubt going to socials and dressing like a "ho" is what your founders thought about when they were forming your organization.

Just my 2 cents...;)

This says it better than I could - except for one thing: would you want your daughter to think that she's a "ho"? It just sounds so trashy.

But then again, y'all know that I can be a real prude at times.

ladies of the evening and their escorts
 

you and me both honeychile, you and me both!

Whether you call it pimps & hos, naughty schoolgirls and principals or what have you, I'll say one thing: there are mixers that I would trust some fraternities with that I would not trust others. It's one thing to have a "naughty" mixer with the guys you hang out with 24/7 that are practically your brothers and another to have something like that with guys that you're more unsure of. I mean, the guys who have seen me in sweats and no makeup are going to understand that it's all just a costume. The ones who are meeting me for the first time in "tart wear" are a different story.

And I have to say, at the risk of sounding like an old fart, I've seen girls in bars wearing things that we would have considered dress for a pimp/ho mixer.

33girl - I so love reading your turn of phrases.

And from the 'for what it is worth' department. My sister-in-law's chapter had a Pimp & Ho party with a twist. Everyone was in drag with the men dressed as the prostitutes and the women dressed as the pimps.

An easy way to avoid the issue of who to bid for such an event if you are a fraternity is to have it as an open party at the end of sorority rush week, which is usually a week or two before fraternity rush...you invite all the guys you are thinking about rushing and every girl you can think of, make it outside and only brothers are allowed in the house, it makes people dress to the weather and it relieves the stress of randoms in your house...we have done it for two years running and it is the most popular party at USF every year.

Re: Is a "Pimps and Ho's Party" disrepectful???
 

I, like a few other folks on this thread, would never see my sorority sponsoring such an event (nor would I attend one in my college days). It seems way too irresponsible to the community that we service.

Don't be affriad to do something because it isnt PC. Thats crap

Don't be afraid to use spellcheck or correct punctuation, either ;)

<---- Refraining from making a WV joke. It's SO difficult as a native Pittsburgher to hold back.

I don't even know if PC-ness is the issue here.

You know, I've gone out on the weekends in attire that would be perfect for a pimps and hoez party. I own crap that allows as much as possible to hang out.

Would I go to one? Of course I would. Still, I'd go as Sandy, not an AGD. It's just something that I wouldn't want to attach my letters to. My letters don't just belong to me -- and if someone else wants to throw one, be my guest...just as long as it's not AGD.

To The Pittsburgher: I am from western PA as well and yes I am a bad speller and typer

PS: Pitt sucks at basketball

I concur.

You have to keep in mind that whether its being "that girl" at a party or being elected Student Government president, EVERYTHING that you do reflects back on your letters; whether you are wearing them or not. Even though you don't party in your breasted letter shirt, people still know who you are and which GLO you represent. They associate every action that you take with your letters.

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There was a Pimps 'n Hoes party, a CEOs and Office Hoes, a Golf Pros and Tennis Hoes, and a Dirty Doctors and Naughty Nurses party at my school this year.

I went to all four and had a great time. So did my sisters, and friends from other sororities and my room mate and other GDI's all of whom attended without being offended. I don't think that these parties disrespectful to anyone.

In my opinion, only when people are condemned for trying liven up their social lives and spice up their parties with a little creativity does attendance of one of these parties become a blackmark on a GLO's letters.

We had worst mixers then Pimp and Ho, i think people are getting way to caution on what they do. I feel we are all students having fun. I mean they do have limits, but "Gangsta Bro and Hoodrat Hoes" was one of our funniest mixers

Can I ask why anyone is attending a party where she'd be considered one of the "hoes" and is finding this funny? Last time I checked being a hoe wasn't a good thing. And for the wannbe pimps and ganstas among you, maybe because you aren't apart of the culture most associated with these archetypes then it doesn't seem like a big deal to you. But you are glorifying a HORRIBLE segment in society that does an injustice to itself and the women involved. Then again I'm not disrespecting my Founders by engaging in such behavior so knock yourself out.

"Gansta Bros and Hoodrat Hos"
:eek: :eek: :eek:

This thread is a prime example of the importance of art and music programs in our public schools because apparently creativity skills are no longer being developed.

And that's keeping it easy to swallow. I won't even touch the other implications :rolleyes:

I don't feel that this represents my culture. It is only negative if you feel it is negative. We come up with these theme, not to disrespect people, but we do it because they are funny themes that people can dress up for. People don't want to be pimps or be hoes, they dress up like them because it is like halloween. You dress up like something your not and have a good time

The people who want to attend these parties will go all out with costumes and have fun. Those who object won't attend. If the majority aren't attending, that's a sure sign your social chair is way off-course with her event ideas from the chapter's wants.

Also, if your social advisers signed the forms and approved this thing, it's a go.

As an alum, I think it isn't representing the Greek System in the best light, and there are other creative dress-up themes that are just as fun. However, I'm not gonna lie that the collegian that I was had a blast at these parties, whether they were approved socials under an assumed name or a party at someone's house off-campus.

A lot of current college student love the theme-- you get to dress all wild and racy-- what college student doesn't experiment with that at some point? I think that's an unconscious effect of dress-up mixer/socials.

So to summarize-- I get why college students love these parties, but as an older graduate I understand why it might be a good idea not to have them.