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HQWest 09-17-2015 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NWGreek (Post 2352447)
My daughter is going thru recruitment and is seeing her favorites disappear each round and is feeling very disheartened. She still has a full schedule and I am encouraging her to be happy about the really strong chapters she still has on her list. However; there are a few she is really not loving that stay on her list each round. I am of course, anticipating the worst case scenario, so, for example, if she had 2 she really liked at Pref and one she really would not accept a bid from, what is the out come if she lists 2? If she got neither could she be eligible for a quota ad or a snap bid? I have never been clear about the difference. Thank you - I wish it were acceptable to have a glass of wine at work.....

This is putting the cart before the horse because it sounds like she still has a round or two to go yet so you may be worrying too much?

But if she has three pref invitations and she only lists 1 & 2 - because she really just CANNOT SEE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES that she could be happy or make friends with the 200 or so women in #3 - then she is not eligible for a quota addition.

She is in some cases eligible for a snap bid - but that is for chapters that did not make quota (and she just pissed off chapter #3) - so she is taking her chance that one of the other chapters that cut her earlier would both a) not make quota and b) decide they like her after all enough to get her a bid without having invited her to prefs? In other words it is unlikely that she could count on getting a bid from a chapter she liked.

She would not be eligible for COB until the following year.

ComradesTrue 09-17-2015 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NWGreek (Post 2352447)
My daughter is going thru recruitment and is seeing her favorites disappear each round and is feeling very disheartened. She still has a full schedule and I am encouraging her to be happy about the really strong chapters she still has on her list. However; there are a few she is really not loving that stay on her list each round. I am of course, anticipating the worst case scenario, so, for example, if she had 2 she really liked at Pref and one she really would not accept a bid from, what is the out come if she lists 2? If she got neither could she be eligible for a quota ad or a snap bid? I have never been clear about the difference. Thank you - I wish it were acceptable to have a glass of wine at work.....

If she attends 3 chapters for Pref Round, but only lists 2, and does not fall high enough on either list to get a bid then:

-- she would not be eligible to be a Quota Addition. QAs are placed at the time of bid matching and only PNMs who list all options are eligible. Because they are matched at the same time as the rest of the pledge class no one knows that they are a QA and the chapter doesn't know either. (Save for maybe 1-2 high level recruitment team members, and they don't share that info)

-- she is eligible to be a Snap Bid. However, Snap Bids are not common and should not be expected. The only time that Snap Bids are given is when a chapter learns that they did not make quota. The recruitment advisor and 1-2 chapter members receive a list of women who did not match during the bid process and/or who withdrew during the recruitment process. From that list they select the PNM(s) that they would like to offer a bid in order to reach quota. This happens after bid matching but before Bid Day activities. The PNM who receives a snap bid will know she is a snap bid because she will receive a call from the chapter telling her to go to the Bid Day activities. It is *possible* that a few other PNMs may be aware too- for instance a roommate who knew the PNM had earlier gotten a call from the Rho Gamma stating that she didn't match and saw her crying or upset, or someone who may be around when the phone call from the chapter comes through. However, in general most/all members of the pledge class will not know and most/all members of the chapter will not know either.

QAs are common. Snap Bids are not.

ComradesTrue 09-17-2015 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HQWest (Post 2352449)
She would not be eligible for COB until the following year.

Is this accurate? She would not have turned down a bid, so I think she is eligible.

carnation 09-17-2015 05:39 PM

Check out the sorority recruitment forum--we have a ton of threads on the very subjects you want to know about.

HQWest 09-17-2015 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ComradesTrue (Post 2352451)
Is this accurate? She would not have turned down a bid, so I think she is eligible.

She signed a bid card or MRSB after prefs - but only indicated 2 choices - so she is not eligible for COB until the following year

NWGreek 09-17-2015 05:56 PM

Thank you - I appreciate your replies. I do realize that I am putting the cart before the horse - a bad habit of mine! She knew this would be competitive, and it is. It takes a her a few minutes to realize what is left on the schedule, to see and appreciate the bright spots that are still there and get over the ones she had been hoping for that are missing.

AZ-AlphaXi 09-17-2015 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HQWest (Post 2352453)
She signed a bid card or MRSB after prefs - but only indicated 2 choices - so she is not eligible for COB until the following year

This is not correct. If she signs a bid card and only indicates 2 choices but does not receive a bid, she is not eligible to be a quota addition. She is, however, eligible for COB immediately. She would only not be eligible for COB if she listed all 3 chapters that she preffed, was matched to #3, and then declined the bid.

However, it is highly likely that the only chapters with room for COB bids are those that she
has already decided she doesn't fit in.

33girl 09-17-2015 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HQWest (Post 2352453)
She signed a bid card or MRSB after prefs - but only indicated 2 choices - so she is not eligible for COB until the following year

If neither group she put on her card (A or B) offered her a bid, and C or D are under total, C or D could offer her a bid any old time. Anyone can be offered an open bid, whether or not they went through formal rush. The only thing she is ineligible for is QAs.

carnation 09-17-2015 06:27 PM

NWGreek, I know it's hard for moms! All we can do is sit and wait for the results.

Titchou 09-17-2015 06:28 PM

If she did not match to any group she is free to pledge thru COB as she is an eligible PNM

DGTess 09-17-2015 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HQWest (Post 2352449)
This is putting the cart before the horse because it sounds like she still has a round or two to go yet so you may be worrying too much?

But if she has three pref invitations and she only lists 1 & 2 - because she really just CANNOT SEE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES that she could be happy or make friends with the 200 or so women in #3 - then she is not eligible for a quota addition.

Is this a school with 200-woman chapters? Yes, a woman can usually find friends among 200. It may be quite different with 70-woman chapters.

DubaiSis 09-17-2015 08:46 PM

I would strongly suggest she accept what she's given and really give it a shot. Rush is such a bubble and all this ranking makes it seem like there really is a right and wrong answer. In real life do you rank your friends from best to worst? Once rush is over and she starts meeting girls, even in a chapter she may have to grudgingly accept she will likely make plenty of friends. However, she does have to TRY. It doesn't happen magically, and if you read through posts here you will find as many where a girl got her dream chapter and is disenchanted as the girl who got stuck with her last choice and is disenchanted. The term we call it here is Unicorns Pooping Rainbows syndrome. The girls think there is some magical perfect answer. The day after rush, the members go back to their lives; the singing stops, the tear-filled hellos and goodbyes stop, and it can really seem like it was all a lie.

The purpose of rush, and sorority membership for that matter is to make FRIENDS. That is not instant, and except for the snarkiest among us, you are not choosing your friends based on looks or where they live. Try to keep that in mind and maybe it will help. All of the houses she still has want her. That needs to be worth something.

NWGreek 09-19-2015 10:24 PM

Thanks for the advice. I have read here for months. She got 3 and ranked. Got 2nd choice. Very sad today. I have said everything a person could think of. It is a good house, girls of substance, you still have all of your old friends from high school in other houses - you name it. I said it. And all of it true. Just going to have to wait and see. A friend got what she wanted by suiciding. She played by the rules. I know it isn't a perfect system and no one is entitled to a bid at all. She has a chance to be Greek. It is up to her now. Tough duty for mom today.

Sororitysock 09-19-2015 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NWGreek (Post 2355160)
Thanks for the advice. I have read here for months. She got 3 and ranked. Got 2nd choice. Very sad today. I have said everything a person could think of. It is a good house, girls of substance, you still have all of your old friends from high school in other houses - you name it. I said it. And all of it true. Just going to have to wait and see. A friend got what she wanted by suiciding. She played by the rules. I know it isn't a perfect system and no one is entitled to a bid at all. She has a chance to be Greek. It is up to her now. Tough duty for mom today.

It's because your daughter played by the rules that she has a bid at all. If she had suicided like her friend did, she would have been bidless since she obviously was not on their first bid list and would have been ineligible for quota additions. Additionally, she doesn't know whether or not she was a quota addition for #2. It's completely possible that she wasn't on the first bid list of any of her three preferenced sororities, and without RFM she could have been bidless. Your daughter was an RFM success story. If this isn't one of the things you have discussed with her, it's probably time to bring it up. She got her second choice for crying out loud. This will be a valuable life lesson in coping with disappointment and learning gratitude.


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