No offense, but it happens. I am sure there is a SAM chapter that sucks which I have seen. While Sigma Chi has good guys, I don't see any of them doing as much as SAMs do at my school and some of the things they have done, just show something isn't right.

And ok fair enough but still many go for Sigma Chi just because of the name and the alumni. When I rushed at my college, I rushed Sigma Chi because of the name. I didn't go with them in the end since I felt as I connected better with SAM.

Either way a Jewish only fraternity for half of it's fraternity life-span is naturally not going to have alot of chapters. Look at ZBT and AEP. They are pretty much on the same boat.

I'm not taking shots at their ritual but when you see people literally die going greek, do you think that's ok? I think not.

And sides, rituals are not all identical nationwide. Chapters most likely have to localize them usually depending on their location so don't think because I don't like a certain way a ritual is done (usually because it's flat out bad and isn't smart) doesn't mean I don't like anyone elses ritual.

Oh, you mean like this? http://www.topix.com/student-societi...for-four-years

I can use google, too.

Oh - there is a difference between "their", "there", and "they're". Usually I have to be paid to edit, but for you - free!

eta - Seriously, you need to dial down the rhetoric about other fraternities. We have enough non-Greeks being judgemental, drawing hasty conclusions and making gross generalizations. We don't need fellow Greeks doing the same.

Hey I am well aware of that incident. That shit is tragic as hell. I hope the SAMs at that chapter get prison for life for disgracing it's good name. Since my chapter isn't stupid enough to do that shit and we look out for each other.

But hey w/e I'm going to be the courteous and kind SAM that I am and leave this topic be. Let the haters be mad at Sammy greatness. I really don't care. Maybe you should have spent your time making your organizations great and if they are, you should just enjoy it and let me enjoy my greatness. Im sure every fraternity out there can produce what my chapter produces and does so on at a daily basis. Awesome. Go greek. Stop being sore at me for not liking fucked up chapters in an organization. Everyone has them. Even SAM has them, oh well.

I just feel sorry that you can't be as proud of w/e org you got. Maybe one day you can stop caring about what everyone else says and does and maybe make great things come true yourself. Peace out, fast and firm 4 life!

The possesive form of "it" is "its", not "it's". Perhaps you should look into taking some English classes.

If I were a SAM, I'd be embarassed to call you brother. The funniest thing is you feel that you are representing your GLO well. No one here cares what your opinion is - they have just called out for being an ignorant, self-important hypocrite. We all are secure enough in our GLOs that we don't have to indulge in chest-thumping attacks on other GLOs.

If you really were as proud of SAM as you say you are, you wouldn't feel the need to bash other groups in some lame attempt at self-gratification. (insert Beavis and Butthead laugh here).

Oh, and I predict his "flounce" doesn't last. But a girl can dream.

Beta Theta Pi - 118 chapters

Phi Delta Theta - 160 chapters


"Decent" numbers, I think.

eta - This thread is missing a lolcat, er, dog.
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I feel pretty safe saying that no fraternity's ritual, including SAM's, condones hazing. much less death.

Wait, you've been courteous and we missed it? Dang!

No one is mad at "Sammy's greatness." :rolleyes: I for one am glad you're proud of your fraternity -- every fraternity member should be.

But here's an idea: If you want to sound courteous, not to mention sound like you're not nursing a really sad inferiority complex, try talking up your fraternity without talking down other fraternities. Try telling us why you think SAM is great with comparing it to other fraternities.

BTW it's SAM's 100 anniversary this year

If no one here said it, then let me be the first to say....HAPPY 100th ANNIVERSARY TO SAM!!!!!

Either way a Jewish only fraternity for half of it's fraternity life-span is naturally not going to have alot of chapters. Look at ZBT and AEP. They are pretty much on the same boat.

And just an FYI...ZBT is not a Jewish only fraternity....it has been a nonsectarian fraternity for the last 20 years. I cannot say the same for AEPi. I am not familar with the composition of their brotherhood.

ZBT:"Honoring the Past, Celebrating the Present & Impacting the Future."

Yeah you should be proud without having to put down or even compare to other fraternities. Like the community service thing of your campus I think is great. But here is an example of a way you can be proud of your national org without mentioning any other org in particular.

"Psi Upsilon was a leader in the fraternity world. being the first fraternity to adapt features that became commonplace/ Examples are the first songboook, first fraternity history, first national convention, first alumni catalog and first fraternity newsletter."

Yes, you bashed other groups. Don't try to deny it or cover it up.. oh, wait, you already did that...

I think your "facts" from the first and second statements are completely different. But you were probably just trying to cover your ass. Understandable.

What??

Ugh. I have a headache. And I don't think I want to hear the word "great" ever again.

Do you have something against Sigma Chi? And just because you rushed them for superficial reasons, it doesn't mean that everyone else did so, too.

Seriously, I don't think you use the word "great" enough.

I am a member of AST, one of the smallest NPC sororities. Here's how I could have approached the same topic and effectively made my point...

Even though AST is one of the smallest sororities nationally, it is an amazing organization. My chapter alone puts in countless hours of community service, and our members take part in numerous activities in addition to our studies. Speaking of which, we have a very high GPA, and we pride ourselves on the fact that we won the award at Convention for having the highest GPA out of all of the AST chapters! Even though AST isn't the largest sorority, it is definitely the best sorority for me.

And here's the statement I would make if I wished to have people here on Greekchat get mad at me, like they did with you...

AST is the best sorority on my campus. Everyone likes us... the guys, the professors... we are GREAT! The ASA's are ok, but they just don't live up to great ideals and values like we do. And the TPAs are close to getting kicked off campus because their not-so-great ritual is killing members! I know that other AST chapters aren't that great, but that's ok, because mine is the best, and being the best here is all I need! Because we're great.

Seeing the difference? I hope so. Oh, and take note of the GREAT spelling and grammar of all of the posters here. People might take you a little more seriously if you sound somewhat intelligent.

I don't think I can stand to hear Sigma Chi mentioned one more time.. geez...

And I heard somewhere that Sigma Phi is the oldest active fraternity right now?

No it's the Kappa alpha Society. The five oldest in order are KA Society, Sigma Phi, Delta Phi, Alpha Delta Phi and Psi Upsilon. Maybe you heard Sigma Phi was the oldest national org because they are the first to have a chapter at another school.

sam, everytime you post you degrade another organization. you are not representing your org. well at all. just stop it!

I knew I was leaving someone out in my list of pre-Sigma Chi fraternities above, but my Saturday brain just couldn't think who it was. Thanks.

For the record:

Alpha Delta Phi Fraternity (1832): 26 active chapters and 3 affiliates (colonies) (Alpha Delta Phi Society, the co-ed society that split from the fraternity in 1992, has 4 active chapters and one affiliate.)

For the record, it should be noted that Chi Phi sometimes claims a founding date of 1824, prior to KA Society. As described by the Wiki: "The Chi Phi (ΧΦ) Fraternity is an American college social fraternity that was established as the result of three separate organizations that each were known as Chi Phi. The oldest active organization that took part in the union was originally founded in 1824 at Princeton." Per Chi Phi history, the Princeton society was founded in 1824, went dormant in 1830 and was resurrected by a nephew of one of the members in 1854. This group didn't last long, but managed to start another chapter (at Franklin and Marshall) before it died out, which in turn started a third chapter. By my count, Chi Phi currently has 59 active chapter and colonies.

*Because I received an angry private message, I would just like to state for the record that this paragraph...

... is not true, or how I truly feel about these organizations. I have friends in both, and they are both amazing. This was made up simply to prove a point. ASAs clearly live up to great ideals and values, and obviously TPA isn't killing members will their ritual. If they were, I don't think they would exist. Sorry if anyone was confused by this...

I think that's it.

That would make sense. Sigma Phi creating a chapter at Hamilton was actually the cause of Alpha Delta Phi being founded.

I bet this SAM knows how to do a fraternity!!

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Which, I think, is a good illustration of why people should be very careful in what they post about other orgs. Even if you're basing your statements on what happens at your campus, saying "XYZ org is _______" is usually an easy way to upset members of that org.

When in doubt, keep it out (of your post).

You are on quite a roll, 33girl!

Unless, of course, you actually use "XYZ" (which perhaps ASTalumna06 should have done instead of using real names, even in a "don't do this" example).

33girl is currently full of win.

Yes, which I completely understand. I thought it was clear that I made it up, but oh well. Live and learn. I think it's the inordinate number of "special" people on Greekchat lately... They're throwing things off. And making me so angry I can't think straight.

:p

It was clear to me. Some folks just get too lazy to read.

Sometimes it is hard to tell online when somebody is being tongue in cheek. I did think she was pretty clear though.

True, but her entire post provided enough context clues to figure out what was going on. Whoever PM'd her probably skimmed the post and got upset when she saw her letters.

For what it is worth, NIC members Delta Psi (also known as Saint Anthony Hall) and Phi Kappa Sigma were founded before Sigma Chi Fraternity. 1847 and 1852 respectfully.

All told, seventeen current NIC fraternities (if one includes Chi Phi) were founded before Sigma Chi Fraternity was founded. Eighteen if you count Phi Delta Theta which withdrew from the NIC in 2002.

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Sorry I couldn't resist. :D

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That's different as you are a sigma chi yourself. Or so I assume from the sig.

Thanks for the reminder. I should have remembered them as well.

Do you mean sig or Sig? :cool:

In either case, you are correct sir.

Sorry, being the person I am, I had to say something about this.

I'm a Phi Sigma Kappa brother at FIU in Miami. I'm very proud of my choice in joining this amazing crowd of guys that I am proud to call my band of brothers.

I believe that the national organization or chapters at other colleges should not be considered as much when a person joins a fraternity or sorority.

I was rushing FIJI at first. I loved being there at the beginning, but I soon found that their chapter was too big for me. Although their chapter is one of the only two fraternities on campus to have a house, i didn't care about that. I did not want to be a number.

Yes, every fraternity has their stereotypes. But then you see brothers (like me) who prove that those stereotypes are false (or at least half-true, lol).

Yes there is some rivalry. But I have friends in EVERY SINGLE FRATERNITY. My Resident Assistant and (hopefully) soon-to-be sibling are both SigEps, and I love them, even if the other fraternities can't stand them. I still talk to the FIJIs I met while I was rushing. My psuedo big brother, someone I have known for years in high school, is a Beta, and I love him and his brothers. I'm friends with the Sammies, and we are working together for homecoming. I'm always hanging out with the PiKapps. I am friends with all of Delta Lambda Phi, regardless of the fact that yes, they are a gay fraternity. And our whole IFC welcomed Sigma Chi to our campus this year with open arms. And I'm friends with two prominent Tekes, but I believe they have way too many members for my taste.

Yes, there are 2 missing. I don't respect what Pike stands for on our campus, but I am good friends with their president, who I met through the IFC. and I've never really seen Lambda Chi Alpha on campus.

But in the end, I ended up a proud brother of Phi Sigma Kappa, and I can't imagine it being any different. Although its (obviously) not the most popular fraternity nationally, or even on our campus, I love it because in the end, it is MY fraternity. My fraternity, although currently really small, garners alot of respect from the rest of the Greek community.

Our community is big on greek unity, and so am I. Instead of bashing each other, we work together. But that doesn't mean we don't have pride. :D

:confused: Your definition of not bashing and mine appear to be different.

Not to mention that the Brothers in large chapters are just numbers, and not real brothers.

Just because I don't respect what they stand for on campus doesn't mean that I'm bashing them. I'm not outright calling them anything out of their name. I have enough respect for them as a fellow GLO to not do that.

What does Pike stand for on your campus?

Just curious.

May I say something which I learned while pledging? For both fraternities and sororities, there are a group of about 15 GLOs in each which continually change places as to who has the most members and/or chapters, and you just accept that some years, you will be on top, others, you will be lower. The important part is to remember that, once you graduate, it will matter more if you were or weren't greek, rather than which GLO you joined.

And yes, I posess a book which has a certain sorority NOT having more members than any other women's group than the Girl Scouts. In fact, it's called an encyclopedia. (Has anyone else tried to get rid of one lately? We may have to pay someone to take them!)

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Try Half Price Books (there are 2 in Pittsburg). They won't pay you much for them, but at least you won't have to pay someone else.

I'm surprised I missed PhiSigW's original post. I do agree with his circumstance. You should join the fraternity that feels right for you on your campus. It shouldn't matter if they are huge nationally or smaller. In the pre-Internet days, I didn't know that much about Sigma Chi before I joined. I just knew that the chapter and the Creed/Spirit/etc. felt right for me.

He has a total of three posts from two days last October, so I wouldn't hold my breath for an answer from him.

(fixed your post - we can afford the "h" at the end of Pittsburgh, plus it pays tribute to our Scots-Irish heritage as a town)

The staff at local Half Price Books know me (and the little dog) by name! We go once a week with yet another box or five of books from my mother's house - she was quite a reader before she became legally blind, and then I read to her. I'm keeping the good ones, though! Interestingly, I took one box of very new, never read books there last week, and only got $13 for it. One of the things I didn't know that came into play was how many copies they already had of each book, and how fast it was moving.

But thanks for the advice!
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One of my favorite Pika stories (they're Pikas on my campus, not Pikes): One of the brothers had a restored hearse - the little drapes on the windows and everything. My parents were bringing me back to the sorority dorm after a family event, and my daddy was driving behind the hearse. We all pulled up in front of the sorority hall, when the back doors of the hearse sprang open and about 10 Pikas jumped out. :eek: My daddy almost had a heart attack in fright, then started laughing when I told him. And that's how my parents met the guy I was dating at the time! ;)

My chapter advisor and a good friend of mine are both Sigs from Pittsburg State in Kansas, so I always forget the "h" in Pennsylvania.