Show me something prior to the joint party thread and the Enroad drama. There are over 50,000 posts in the various BLGO forums and there have to be less than 2 or 3 hundred blatantly disrespectful posts aimed at another org.

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While I am nostalgic for the original topic of this thread, the issue that sisterfriend PrettyKitty has raised is extremely valid.
There is a huge amount of hypocrisy on these threads. In one breath people are preaching about "Greek Love," only to go on another board---or just another thread on the same board---to be disrespectful. People sterereotype members of other organizations, but there are also large percentages of members who live up to many of the stereotypes---if we're going to be real, let's be real.
We shouldn't allow disrespect...regardless of the organization or even if someone isn't in an organization. The tone of these boards often mirrors that of BGLO interaction in real life. Many people don't associate with other Greeks---which is sad b/c a cool person is a cool person regardless. But, that may have to do with there not being members of other organizations in the vicinity, etc.
But, not to get more off topic, I think that the disrespect on these boards is often not attributable to Greeks dissing other organizations OR playing the "my organization is better than yours for various reasons" game. I think it can be attributed to people who say things to people over the internet that they would not have the gall or the audacity to say in person. Chances are, people won't disrespect your organization to your face, but would get in a chat room and/or message board and do so.
My whole point is, friendly competition is one thing...but all too often it gets taken too far. As a GROWN WOMAN who is also a Delta (as opposed to a Delta who is also a grown woman)...I don't care when your organization was founded, how many members you have, how handsome/pretty/yada yada your members are supposed to be, OR whether or not you claim a brother or sister organization----all that stuff is surface bull and says nothing to the worth of our organizations---it's old and tired. Once individuals get passed that mindset, the tone and disrespect on these boards should take care of itself.
I may have taken the debate b/w PrettyKitty and Doggystyle to another level. And, bruh, my comments aren't directed to you or any of the comments you've made---mmmmkay...I'm just cosigning with my sisterfriend.



DSTDeuce

Will this thread every go back to the orginal poised question? :eek:

It sure will. Do you have anymore profundities regarding inaccurate famous members????

When I crossed the burning sands, 11/17/91, I was taught that Jackie Robinson was an Alpha. Last year, thanks to Bro. Skip Mason, I now know otherwise. (misinformed for ten years ain't that a blip)I was on a chapter site a while back (I don't remember the chapter) and they had Sidney Poitier listed as an Alpha, which is very suspect. When I saw Keenan Ivory Wayans listed as frat on a chapter site I was skeptical, but he is on the National site. There are so many unsung heroes in all organizations-One of my particular favorites is Bro. William LeoHansberry. His struggle to bring an honest account of African History in proper context to world history is an inspiration to all who have an unquenchable thirst for knowledge. You can find some info here as well as a link to historian and former student of Hansberry, Chancellor Williams. I want to say what's up to the GC fam and introduce myself to all the the Brothers who hold the "light of the world" aloft.
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/hansberry.html

How about listing sorors that are "famous"!!! (I know its sorta off topic but an earlier post mentioned her co-host) Vanessa Bell Callaway (Oh Drama) is a soror (AKA) and Star Jones is AKA, she was a National Officer of the sorority when she was in college.

I used to hear that Felecia Rhasad (Claire Huxtable) and her sister were AKA/Delta or Delta/AKA. I have yet to find out if either or both is true. I've seen Felecia's name on alot of websites as a famous soror, but I've not heard of it being confirmed by National. Our website only lists the most famous AKA's our founders and current and past leadership!

And of course I'M FAMOUS, it's just that alot of people haven't heard of me yet!

Yeah, the whole Phylicia Rashaad and Debbie Allen thing still baffles the masses. Is there ANYONE who knows 1) If both or either are members of ANY organization and 2) What chapter they were initiated under?
Lemme find out there's a fellow celebrity on GC. Sorry members...no autographs, photographs, or pavaratzi....

I GOT IT!
 

Soror Phylicia Allen Rashad...Alpha Chapter, General Member, Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. (Houston, Texas)

Taken from the International Membership Directory (AKA), 1998 edition. PAGE 462, I can be found on page 6 hundred and something...lol

I could have sworn I had seen her in past editions of our official journal.
:D

Now, Debbie...:confused:

Re: I GOT IT!
 

See that, kiddies? Sisterfriend AKA2D is a great example of what researching can do :) Thanks for ending that debate. I'm still looking for the Debbie Allen info....

Debbie Allen is not a soror.

Yeah, we're actually trying to figure out if she's really a Delta or not. We know that she's not an AKA.

eternal sphinxman
 

For those of you that don't know, an eternal sphinxman is a man that pledged, but never crossed-for whatever reason. He is, therefore, NOT A BROTHER.

Can anyone verify that Debbie Allen is an eternal Ivy or was a member of the Ivy pledge club?



#7 Snuggles
DST- RVA 12/93

From ,my understanding, Debbie Allen never pledged. So she is not an eternal Ivy. I'm also pretty certain that she is not a Delta either. I'm gonna check my resouces again so I can have a more qualified answer.

Debbie Allen is not an eternal Ivy. Actually, I posed this question to one of my sorors who knew both Phylicia and Debbie, AND was on the line Debbie was to been part of (Alpha chapter, 1969). My soror confirmed that although Debbie made line, she chose not to be inducted into the Ivy Leaf Pledge Club. I have no information about whether or not she ever pledged/was initiated into any other sorority.

Soror, the family of Mr. Douglas requested that he be made an honorary member, and we accepted. Do your homework.

That is correct, Debbie Allen is not a Delta either, and I have never heard any stories that she might have been.

Truthfully, I don't think she is greek at all.

excuse me, but rick james is not a sigma......
ive heard morris chestnut is a sigma...

also ive heard.....

whoopi goldberg is an AKA
countess vaughn is a delts (girl from parkers)
florida evans is an AKA
jasmine guy a zeta
winona from good times a SGRho

whitney houston a delta

Now you all are starting to sound ridiculous!!

Here comes another one....
 

someone needs to do some seeeeeeriiiiiouuuuuuusssssss searching around these here parts...

Searching for the GC tour guide....

Esther Rolle was a Zeta
Ja'net DuBois is a Zeta
Countess Vaughn is NOT a Delta
Dunno but I don't think Whoopi or Jasmine are greek at all.

The irony with Esther Rolle and Ja'net DuBois both being Zetas is I heard Ms. DuBois on the Good Times/E! True Hollywood Story, and she stated that Ms. Rolle initially did not want her in the role of Wilona.

Naaaaaaaw cuz
 

Re: Naaaaaaaw cuz
 

I forgot Whitney....BIG NOPE!! Besides, cousin Dionne Warwick is a Zeta woman.

I think Jasmine Guy is a Zeta.
 

I have had several Greeks (including Zetas) tell me that Jasmine Guy is a Zeta.

Lets not get it twisted!
 

Ms. IVYDEVINESS, while I understand your concern that there may be some people on Fraternity & Sorority lists (all orgs. have them) who occasionally have people listed who are NOT members, my experience has taught me that it has MORE to do with "misinformation", "rumors" or a lack of follow-up than anything else. I have not (personally) known members of orgs. to "intentionally" put famous people on their lists (who were NOT members) just to "pad their numbers".

Also, lets be clear on one thing; THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY INTO ALPHA........AND THAT IS THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR!!!!! Alpha Phi Alpha (proudly, I might add), does NOT have "honorary" memberships anymore (and we NEVER made a big practice out of it). We only did it a few times in our near 100 years of being and the most recent one was SEVERAL DECADES AGO!!!!! If ANYONE (including the President of the United States) wanted A Phi A, then He would have to seek it, PERIOD!!!!!!!!!

Although you stated that your organization would NOT place those who died before 1908 on your roles (i.e. Nefertiti, Mother of Jesus, etc.), Alpha Kappa Alpha DOES (no disrespect) have SEVERAL "honorary" members. SEVERAL!!! To me, that is almost as bad (I just don't agree with the 'honorary' thang).

Some of them (honorary 'sorors') have NEVER been enrolled in a four year college. How does someone belong to a "COLLEGE" Sorority with only a High School Diploma????? That's what seperates Fraternities & Sororities from other like (and unlike) organizations. Remember your (our) history: These Fraternities and Sororities were founded "BY COLLEGE STUDENTS FOR COLLEGE STUDENTS"!!!!

Also, Lets be real. The ONLY reason that any org. would subscribe to the "honorary" thing anyway is to PAD THEIR NUMBERS. Point Blank. LET'S NOT GET IT TWISTED!!!!!!!! You can "honor" someone in a number of ways WITHOUT making them a member, right? Think about that.

OK, your point was well taken sister. I do not think that it is right that any org. would put someone who was dead before their founding as a "duly initiated member" (I am definitely on the same page with you on that).

Having said that, I also have to disagree with ZETA 1920 when she eluded to the fact that HONORARY status allows people who haven't been to college to experience life in a college sorority/fraternity. Maybe I missed something, but I thought that one of the guiding principles of all of our orgs. is education, and that it BEGINS with COLLEGE........It does not END BEFORE COLLEGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


InQ '06

Re: Lets not get it twisted!
 

I agree with a great deal of what you are saying. Afterall, I don't know if an honorary member is necessarily a SOROR...I actually never thought about it that way.
However, you can not assume the reasoning behind EVERY organization's having honorary members. Maybe you had a secret meeting with all of our Grand Basileus(es) and National Presidents...lemme find out. But, some of our orgs have way over 100,000 members...hardly seems like they need any number padding to me.
I do agree that there is a great deal of misinformation. A lot of this has to do with poor record keeping, especially if we're dealing with members from the more formative years of our orgs. Many people confuse honorary with famous, though...which is another thing that may cause confusion.


Greek Love

I equate Honorary membership with a person receiving an HONORARY degree. Should one get upset when they received their degree via "thank you LAWDIE?" As opposed to someone who gave the university so many thousands, millions of dollars or appears daily on a television show?

You can't really use it...it's just there. They pose no threat to me one way or another.

Now, when I see an honorary soror all deck in para, then I'll be :o and taken aback. I think these people realize their "purpose", if in fact, they have one. These people cannot make decisions as far as the organization is concerned. I have yet to see our former first lady of the city of New Orleans all decked in para. She has been speaker for various sorority functions.

Therefore, I do not have to worry about them. My concern are those out there complaining, arguing, and all that other foolishness, but has not been active since they came through the front door, back door, window, chimney, etc. I think THAT is more of a serious issue.

Re: Re: Lets not get it twisted!
 

An Honorary Soror is a Soror, however she is not a "member" of the organization (check your C&B). As you know we have plenty of Sorors who aren't "members" of the organization, and thus do not a voice is the path the Sorority takes.

To Inquisitive06

Now I don't beleive that granting Honorary membership to anyone is a means of "padding" member numbers. As we all know, none of the NPHC orgs have a problem with having the masses join, and trust me, the decision to grant honorary membership in Delta is NOT TAKEN LIGHTLY and does not guarantee that ANYONE will get it.

Honorary membership is solely to recognize women who reach a point of excellence in their fields, through hard work, tenacity and life experience, as well as her education (WHATEVER that may be)and not only because they are FAMOUS. We have serveral Honorary Soror that are NOT household names, but whose work and example were deemed worthy of honorary membership.

Re: Re: Re: Lets not get it twisted!
 

Thanks soror, I am aware of what the C&B says regarding Honorary Members. I was speaking in terms of MY take on Honorary Members.

Oprah and Condoleeza
 

I heard Oprah is an honorary Delta and Condoleeza Rice would be made this year...

As far as ALPHA goes, a lot of people have said that Wes Unseld is a Bro., but he is actually an Eternal Sphinxman. I also heard Chris Webber and LaVar Arrington are Frat, but I haven't gotten any verification on that...

I haven't heard about Chris Webber or LaVar Arrington being Frat, but I heard that Julian Bond is an Eternal Sphinxman.

Re: Oprah and Condoleeza
 

Well Big Poppa Ice, you done heard wrong.

I know cats at Penn State very well, and can say wholeheartedly that unless he went grad in D.C. Lavar Arrington is not frat.

Re: I think Jasmine Guy is a Zeta.
 

Jasmine Guy, beautiful and talented as she is, is NOT a member of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc.

I read on www.blackgreeks.com that Victoria Rowell a.k.a. Drucilla from young and the restless is a member of SGRho. I know some of y'all are like "so what", but She's a very accomplished actress and ballerina.

It's true soRHOr Victoria Rowell is a SGRHO.

I forget sometimes, but I haven't forgotten THIS...
 

That's nice and lovely, but you never answered my question I asked in the Sigma forum... I guess you forgot, huh?

:confused: :o

:D

Honorary???
 

As I reply to some of the responses to my last post, I do want to clarify some things. To CHOASDST.......much respect to your post (as well as the other responses). I do think that in my haste (with regard to my last post) I may have given some people the wrong impression. My post was basically three-fold:

1. To disagree with putting anyone (dead or alive) on the roles of any organization, PERIOD.

2. To question (and voice my personal 'displeasure' with) the 'honorary status' thang and

3. To show how the first two could have a similar result.

Now, my opinions were just that....OPINIONS!!! The idea of an "honorary" member, affiliation, status, soror or frat or whatever one chooses to call them serves no purpose (my opinion only) but ONE; and that is so that folks can put their name on the list.

I have been in greekdom for 14 years and I have seen it time and time and time again...where we boast (all of our orgs.) about who is down 'wit us.

When I hear that so and so is a Delta or so and so is a Sigma or so and so is an Alpha, AKA, Que or whatever, I don't hear people AVOIDING the honorary members. They don't say "well that person is a member but not a soror". I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT.....EVER.

THIS IS WHAT I MEAN BY "PADDING THE NUMBERS".......................... Not literally "padding" how many people our orgs. have in total, but "padding" our number of "famous" members. I even remember looking at one particular organization's list of famous members several years ago, and I swear that about 75% (at least) were honorary. This was where my whole opinion on this whole thing was birthed.

So why are we now (seemingly) putting the distinction on "soror" vs. "member" versus "honorary". As far as I have seen, there is NO distinction when it comes to our many chapter websites that "PROUDLY" promote our achieving members.......even if they didn't pledge (or seek) us!!! I do NOT see any category separation.

Also, as my Frat. Bruh stated, I too have seen many people on Alpha lists who were not FRAT. As I said in my first post, all orgs. have this problem and it is not intentional but rather mistaken. Peace. In greek love......

InQ '06