PNM ranking decision question...
 

So I'm trying to give my daughter (PNM @ IU) some help with making her ranking list decisions...fortunately they only need to list their "bottom 9" chapters on Sunday night, but she has not seen any statistics about chapter sizes and pledge class sizes from 2013 in her recruitment packet. So would appreciate any advice about how she can try to determine the size of last years' pledge classes so that she can, as recommended above, keep some of the high number chapters in her upper group? Thanks!

There should be a recruitment 2012-2013 thread in this forum started by irishpipes. It lists all the NPC chapters nationwide and the number of women they took (alphabetical by state). I'd link but still figuring out the new phone :-)

Look in recruitment, not sorority recruitment.

Any scoop on how things went this weekend????

The schedule looks absolutely draining to me. I'm so glad I went to a smaller school when I see this craziness.

Any idea of when they learn about which houses they are invited to for the "12 Party"?

Immediately (15 or 30 minutes) before the first parties of that round start.

Just because of the sheer size of the campus and the fact that some of the sororities are on Third and some are on Jordan, they might find out an hour or two before the first event. Or maybe even Friday evening if all 12 parties are on Saturday.

Point taken. On a 2-day round (rare among all NPC rushes after round 1), you could have a significant delay. But it won't be the TOMORROW that you'd like it to be. I edited for a smidge of clarity. And to make it look like IndianaSigKap is making shit up. :p

I survived if that means anything...


I think the final number of women that started recruitment was 1607. This removes all those cut for grades as well as any duplicates.

Congrats! It looks like the odds were in your favor! Are you going back next weekend?

Does "cut for grades" mean just whatever the bare minimum that Panhellenic requires to participate in recruitment, and that the individual sororities will be doing whatever grade-cutting they need to do later on?

Surviving is good! :D

Yup I'll be back on Bloomington next weekend.

And yes cut for grades would be the minimum Panhellenic

Last year's data:

Indiana University
Bloomington, IN
December 1-2, 2012 (Open house), and January 3-7, 2013 (Invitationals)
No Quota Set
Campus Total Not Set
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Kappa Alpha Theta Beta 1870 (45?)
Kappa Kappa Gamma Delta 1873 (40)
Pi Beta Phi Indiana Beta 1893
Delta Gamma Theta 1898 (42)
Delta Zeta Epsilon 1909 (52)
Alpha Omicron Pi Beta Phi 1916-1996/1999 (52)
Delta Delta Delta Delta Omicron 1917 (37)
Sigma Kappa Tau 1918-1994
Theta Phi Alpha Zeta 1920-1959/2012 (52)
Phi Mu Delta Alpha 1920 (46?)
Phi Omega Pi Xi 1922-?
Alpha Chi Omega Alpha Mu 1922
Zeta Tau Alpha Alpha Xi 1922
Chi Omega Theta Beta 1922
Kappa Delta Sigma Upsilon 1923-1941/1955 (52)
Alpha Delta Pi Beta Alpha 1926-1952/1984 (83+1)
Sigma Delta Tau Upsilon 1940
Alpha Xi Delta Beta Pi 1946-1970/1987 (47)
Delta Phi Epsilon Delta Delta 1946-1952/Colony Spring 2014
Alpha Gamma Delta Beta Delta 1947 (55)
Alpha Phi Beta Tau 1947
Gamma Phi Beta Beta Phi 1957 (48)
Alpha Epsilon Phi Epsilon Epsilon 1958 (41?)
Sigma Sigma Sigma Epsilon Xi 1989-1994
Alpha Sigma Alpha Epsilon Phi 1990?-1994/Colony Fall 2012 (Fall Colony 101/Winter FR 60)

What exactly does ADPi's 83+1 mean in a system without quota?

Hi, first time posting. Finally talked to my daughter today to hear how 21 party went for her at IU. She heard some interesting news - it sounds like some houses that historically have not allowed seniors to live out are changing their policy. Specifically Zeta Tau Alpha and Alpha Chi Omega will now allow seniors to live out. I hope this is true, and that maybe it's the beginning of IU getting rid of their bed quota policy. One can only hope...

So is DPhiE's colonization still on? If so, when is their colonization recruitment taking place? I assume the PNMs are aware that the new colony is an option if they don't find their home during FR?

Yes, DPhiE's colonization is still on. Their informal recruitment begins immediately after FR, and PNMs are aware of the option. Here's a link to their FB app with info on their recruitment events: https://apps.facebook.com/bedphienew/

First, I hope the students are able to complete their readings and course prep prior to their first classes today.

Second, PNMs should do their research before dropping from recruitment and pursuing the new colony. This completely neutral advice. Do your homework. Make your decision as an adult.

You make two good points. Also, if the previous two colonies are any indication, the new colony may take as few as 80 women and probably no more than 160 since they do not have a house and will not be losing any seniors to graduation. Also, they will take some upperclassmen to give them balance among the classes (freshmen, sophs, juniors).

ADPi's quota was definitely not 83 last year. It was 72 I think and the 20% flex made it 83-84.

Why would a PNM drop from recruitment to pursue the new colony?

It means they matched 83 and then added one COB or snap

Because they aren't getting the invites back they want....and they think they'll have a better time/chance/not feel so out of place/not be left out/etc/etc/etc if they do this.

The chance to be part of a new colony is very exciting for some women. It also gives girls who may not thrive in formal recruitment a chance to join an organization but do it in a way that makes them more comfortable. There are lots of reasons someone might drop.

I can completely understand why someone would prefer to try their luck with a colonization. Especially introverts who might not shine in the chaos that is formal recruitment but would really shine in the small group and individual interviews during a colony recruitment.

Formal recruitment would have killed me. But I love conversation and can interview well. I'd definitely pick the one over the other. :)

Spoke with my daughter this morning. Seems cuts were huge for the 12 parties. She feels she did ok but not terrific. I told her to go in to each house with an open mind, clean slate. Houses she thought as just okay may turn out to be better than she thought.

Her friends run the gamut. One has a full 12 invite but not to her top three, others have invites ranging from 4 houses to 9 houses.

Mom64, you gave great advice. We have seen more times than not, how a PNM's feelings toward a chapter change dramatically as the rush week goes on. Good luck to your daughter.

FSUZeta, agreed about feelings changing as rush week goes on. Unfortunately for this year's PNMs at IU it truly is "rushed". I didn't think that cutting the 14 party and making the 8 party a 12 party would matter but looking at things now, I think it does.

Tomorrow they go down to 3. PNMs are now going to have to reevaluate their choices based on one party. I know many of my daughter's friends including herself think the chances of getting invited back tomorrow are slim.

I cannot believe they went from 21 to 12 to 3.
I rushed in 1995 and we did 19, 14, 8, 5, 3 it was a long week to do 14, 8,5,3 but I feel girls were able to get a great feel for a house.
I think cuts will be drastic tomorrow and you will have a lot of girls not maximize their options by putting all the houses on a bid card.

Nervous mom of IU daughter here. Talked to her this morning and she was happy with what she got - 9 houses, including 5 from her top 12. Like mom64, I told her to keep an open mind about everything! Today will be an exhausting day for everyone. I'm expecting tomorrow's results will be very emotional, as that's when I'm expecting the big cuts. Steeling my nerves…
pinkmama - the schedule was originally 21-14-8-3 but they had to cut out a day at the last minute due to the weather, which is why it is now 21-12-3. Hard for everyone!

Reading this thread, I remember that it is just as painful, nerve-wracking, and difficult for the actives who are having to do membership selection in a crunch. And their recruitment advisors who are working tirelessly. And the Greek Life Office. Oh boy.

Wishing all the very best.

4 hours in to the world's longest day. Tonight is going to be very stressful.

Sending positive and calm thoughts your way! Good luck moms!

A full 12 party schedule is a 14 hour day with a 90 minute break (+20 travel time) is crazy. Those last few parties are going to be painful for everyone. Do they dim the lights during the videos?
Even at the tender age of 18 or 19 I cannot believe these young ladies can put their best foot forward for each and every party.
Good luck to all!

Yes, the schedule begins at 8:00am and ends at 10:10pm. There is a break for lunch but none for dinner. All a bit crazy.

In hindsight, I wish when they had revised the schedule due to the bad weather they had delayed Bid Night and used the original schedule set-up (21,14,8,3). Last weekend was grueling with 21 parties changed from 30 minutes to 45 minutes and today seems worse! Doesn't seem to be fair to the PNMs or the Actives. Would seem those with mental stamina may be in the best position to receive a bid.

There's no classes on Monday due to the Martin Luther King holiday, couldn't they have used that day for rush?

Wow!!! Not an ideal situation at IU. Good luck to everyone involved.

I don't think that would have been viewed as politically correct...as a professor at another university where classes are suspended for MLK Day, the purpose is to honor his memory/legacy and allow students to attend related campus events.

I have another question for those in the know: even though Indiana chapters determine quotas based on available beds, do they practice RFM? I am wondering what guidance chapters were given, if any, regarding carry over figures for the 3 round structure.

Yes we use RFM. Our guidance consisted of being told to call our hq with rfm questions and an understanding that we might not know what return rates to anticipate.