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DubaiSis 07-12-2013 09:59 PM

A lot of what you're saying sounds like Iowa in the late 80's, early 90's. My chapter is VERY old and wasn't going anywhere regardless of how small we got, but out of 15 chapters, 5 were regularly not making quota, and yet they brought on SK and AGD within 4 years of each other! What they were thinking and why AGD didn't bail before it was too late is beside me. And both of them bought/rented (whatev) crappy houses that were like single family homes compared to the mansions that the older chapters had. Not that they had a choice. The other choice would have been to tear down build.

Iowa's not quite ready for expansion yet, but I could see it in the next couple years. And hopefully SK and/or AGD will have the opportunity to make it right. But when they do, they will have to be prepared to do the tear down/build up mentioned above. Housing is expensive, as it is in all college towns, but not so much that you couldn't justify it with an expectation of years of success. A lovely house, well located that sleeps 40-50 and doesn't have the problems that old houses do could be a real draw, as long as all other things are equal of course.

33girl 07-12-2013 11:47 PM

Or, if the women in the sororities would have been a little kinder and released the women they had zero interest in, rather than stringing them along to make themselves look good, we wouldn't have needed to implement RFM in the first place. Even if they were a few short on bid day, those are the kinds of chapters that can fill 5 spots with 3 phone calls.

DubaiSis 07-13-2013 01:25 AM

Well, if people did the right thing without making rules, we'd have no need for laws. And no Congress! Think of the utopia we could have if people just did the right thing ;) But in the meantime, RFM is doing what was intended and wild growth and what seems to be really minimal closures seem to be a result.

DeltaBetaBaby 07-13-2013 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2225291)
Or, if the women in the sororities would have been a little kinder and released the women they had zero interest in, rather than stringing them along to make themselves look good, we wouldn't have needed to implement RFM in the first place. Even if they were a few short on bid day, those are the kinds of chapters that can fill 5 spots with 3 phone calls.

But RFM isn't just about forcing chapters to release more women. It's also about better predicting return rates. Under the old system, even if a chapter followed suggested invite numbers, the suggestions weren't as good. Forecasting is very difficult, and RFM uses better methods.

HQWest 07-13-2013 08:44 AM

RFM also does not help a sick Greek system. You can get a PNM to a bid - but she doesn't have to accept.(you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink)

If tent talk and gossip are so bad, PNMs won't give it a shot, and someone isnt playing nice.

TriDeltaSallie 07-13-2013 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HQWest (Post 2225314)
RFM also does not help a sick Greek system. You can get a PNM to a bid - but she doesn't have to accept.(you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink)

If tent talk and gossip are so bad, PNMs won't give it a shot, and someone isnt playing nice.

This was definitely part of the problem at Michigan State. One chapter going under, you can blame the chapter. Even two chapters. But four? That's probably the sign of an unhealthy Greek system. I'm just thankful that Greek gossip site that shall not be named didn't exist when I was in school. The tent talk alone was bad enough.

There were a lot of women who had very negative experiences with rush because the chapters most in demand carried many women through preference that they could not bid. There were a lot of bitter women and that hurt the Greek system as well.

I know some of the field reps and national officers who came to help us (and there were many) were really shocked and dismayed by the attitudes displayed by members of our chapter at times (and I include myself in that). I had no Greek background and the internet didn't exist. All I knew about Greek life was what I observed on my own campus and what I observed was not healthy. The idea of sororities supporting each other was totally foreign to us.

TriDeltaSallie 07-13-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis (Post 2225277)
A lot of what you're saying sounds like Iowa in the late 80's, early 90's. My chapter is VERY old and wasn't going anywhere regardless of how small we got, but out of 15 chapters, 5 were regularly not making quota, and yet they brought on SK and AGD within 4 years of each other! What they were thinking and why AGD didn't bail before it was too late is beside me. And both of them bought/rented (whatev) crappy houses that were like single family homes compared to the mansions that the older chapters had. Not that they had a choice. The other choice would have been to tear down build.

Iowa's not quite ready for expansion yet, but I could see it in the next couple years. And hopefully SK and/or AGD will have the opportunity to make it right. But when they do, they will have to be prepared to do the tear down/build up mentioned above. Housing is expensive, as it is in all college towns, but not so much that you couldn't justify it with an expectation of years of success. A lovely house, well located that sleeps 40-50 and doesn't have the problems that old houses do could be a real draw, as long as all other things are equal of course.

This is also an issue at MSU. The city of East Lansing is not supportive of Greek life and trying to do ANYTHING to a house is a major ordeal. Gamma Phi Beta did build a house while I was in school, but IMHO the location was less than desirable - on a wedge with heavy traffic roads going by on both sides. We had a primo location, but didn't have the house to go with it.

KitKat58 07-16-2013 04:29 PM

For the PNM, how much time usually passes between receiving the next round of invites and the start of the events?

Are Pref and Bid usually on the same day?

Is it possible to receive a Pref invite to only one sorority if a PNM maximizes their options?

HQWest 07-16-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KitKat58 (Post 2225852)
For the PNM, how much time usually passes between receiving the next round of invites and the start of the events?

Most places 30-40 minutes. You rank your preferences that afternoon, you get your invite list the next morning sometimes at breakfast.

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Originally Posted by KitKat58 (Post 2225852)
Are Pref and Bid usually on the same day?

No this is unusual. Larger schools need more time to rank the PNMs and to make sure as many PNMs as possible are matched with a bid. Also, (without going into MS) some chapters are done with ranking soon after prefs are over, some the whole chapter spends more time on ranking their favorites.

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Originally Posted by KitKat58 (Post 2225852)
Is it possible to receive a Pref invite to only one sorority if a PNM maximizes their options?

It can and does happen.

DubaiSis 07-16-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HQWest (Post 2225853)
No this is unusual. Larger schools need more time to rank the PNMs and to make sure as many PNMs as possible are matched with a bid.

I believe UCLA has preference in the morning and bid night later that day, but they're the only one I'm aware of that does it that way. I like the theory of it but the reality sounds like an exercise in chaos for the sororities. There is a LOT to do in the (normally 18 hours or so) time between pref parties ending and bid day activities starting. Cutting that down to 6 hours or so seems ludicrous. But somehow they make it happen! It really is the magic behind the doors. The first time you see rush happen from the other side of the door, it's a miracle that you thought everything was so smooth and easy for the always-refreshed looking sorority women you wanted to emulate.

Titchou 07-16-2013 08:41 PM

\UAB has pref in the AM and Bid Day at 6 or 7 PM. With computers, it really isn't that big a deal. Without divulging MS info, there are many programs designed to handle this.

aephi alum 07-17-2013 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KitKat58 (Post 2225852)
Is it possible to receive a Pref invite to only one sorority if a PNM maximizes their options?

It's possible for a PNM to receive ZERO pref invites even if she maximizes her options.


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