This all started with a talk of quota: Do we know what quota was at USC?
If so, the new member classes have been reported as follows:

Tri Delta: 90
Gamma Phi: approx. 88
Theta: 82
Pi Phi: 87

Any other numbers for the rest of the chapters? Thank you in advance.

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Alpha Phi: 86 new members

Quota is always a range. It is then narrowed to a set number by the RFM specialist assigned to the school and the Greek Adviser. It often can happen that top recruiting chapters take just quota and that other groups take 10-15% more making it look like the chapter with lower numbers did not make quota. But that is not the case. An example, a few years ago, quota was 24 at a school I have worked with. All the groups made exactly quota except for 1 who took 33. It looks as if 3 didn't make quota and one did. The fact was all made quota and ALL the quota additions went to the one group.
I could cite other examples too but suffice it to say that just because a group took the lowest number does not automatically mean they took less than quota.

And let me repeat, ALL chapters have the same quota. Period. End of story. No other way about it. Anything else and NPC would be on them like, as we say around these parts, white on rice. Your friends are giving you bad information - whether they are mkaing it up or just repeating something someone else has said. It may also be that they do not understand RFM any better than you do which can cause a lot of false assumptions.

I suggest you get a copy of the MOI, most likely available from the secure part of your national organization's web site, and read it = cover to cover. It will be enlightening. And then you can quota chapter and verse to your friends and ask that they explain themselves.

Kindly review the bolded. Essentially, you're repeating gossip. For what purpose? Please tell me, how is that Panhellenic in spirit?

I was trying to add more information to the discussion.

An additional observation on recruitment at SC...it appears that each sorority has the largest pledge class in its history. This would seem to indicate that the pmn's are looking beyond the ones that have traditionally been very strong, and thus making the success of other sororities colonizing there more likely. In my opinion, this is probably happening because the student body has become more diverse as the university has made a concerted effort to draw from across the country. This had to have been a tough year with the record amount of pmn's but it appears to have been quite successful in placing a high number of women!

The Panhellenic Advisor at USC is a former NPC Chairman so I don't think there would be any scenario where she would go against the MOI.

Best to make sure it's accurate first.

Just to clarify, Panhellenic can't do squat - that would be infringing on DG's (or anyone else's) membership selection policies. If a chapter wants to invite no one back and pledge no one, that is their sovereign decision. However, they will have some serious 'splainin to do (read: heads would be rolling and charters would be in jeopardy) to their headquarters.

No one has even suggested that they didn't make quota because the girls they asked to preference ranked the other house first...and I have heard that groups at USC have not played by the rules in the past and were asked to publicly say they were sorry or bring in a speaker or pay some fines and there were no restrictions placed on them regarding recruitment or numbers, etc.

Numbers
 

A friend sent me a note as she has a DG relative in the SC chapter. According to my friend Delta Gamma took 20 legacies and have 78 new members.

These numbers have not been confirmed by any DG official. Other chapters still have not reported, so that number may be in line with the rest of the chapters and quota may well be 78.

Question for the quota debate. Can a CPC prevent a chapter from taking QAs as part of a punishment due to some infraction? They'd still be allowed to bid to quota, just not any bonus members.

Ok I was going to stay out of this, but what can I say, the troll in me just can't.

I have no reason to disbelieve the women who told me what I posted. I trust them, and I have no reason to think they'd tell me incorrect information. The only way I could have "made sure it's accurate first" is to actually be on the Panhellenic board (which I can't be, for various reasons that are not germane to this discussion) or be an RC (which I elected not to apply for, as I figured I would better serve my chapter as an affiliated member during formal, and it also conflicted with my schedule—not that that is any of your business).

I will be the first to admit I know next to nothing about RFM, ICS, or any assortment of acronyms that have to do with formal recruitment, and I don't entirely understand how quota works at USC, or at other schools, beyond that it has something to do with the number of girls who sign bid cards, the number of chapters, and whether a house was under campus total before recruitment.

I merely thought that the curious minds on GreekChat would want to know what I know (or apparently, think I know). I apologize, and will keep such information/misinformation to myself in the future.

From my experience advising, I don't think RCs know anything really that is going on with recruitment numbers; I don't think anyone on the Panhel board does either, other than those officers on the recruitment team. Were any of your sources these specific officers? The ones who see chapter invite lists, PNM's rankings, etc.? Even in those cases, I often notice those women misunderstand some elements of formal recruitment or at the very least misuse terminology. It takes many years and go rounds with recruitment to get the hang of everything!

AN; FTFO

Bid Night from a different perspective

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...67840933_n.jpg

ps: I saw this on my instagram feed; apparently there are some puerile boys are calling this tradition this year 'The Running of the Biddies'; at least according to its caption

No, ma'am, it has NOTHING to do with being under campus total before recruitment! You obvioulsy are not Greek - which is fine. But don't talk about things as if oyu know how it works. A chapter can pledged quota even if it is already at or above total. That has NOTHING to do with quota.Read the rules. Listen to those of us here who have been advisers, national officers, etc and know the rules or read them yourself. If you would like a copy of the MOI, I would be more than happy to send you a copy.

Are you HartofSec's sock puppet??????

NO, ma'am. Read the UA I quoted in a previous post. the CPC can not limit membership in any way other than setting quota and total. And they apply to all groups no matter what.

Seriously? She is Greek, and not a sockpuppet, just because someone dares to contradict you or doesn't wholeheartedly agree with you doesn't mean they are trolls. JMHO

Whoa, kaeb has been a poster here for a long time, and has contributed much to our discussions of USC in the last two years. She is a member of an NPC group that limits its participation in FR.

^That was truly unnecessary. I'm not even involved in this thread.

I have one, and only one, username on this message board. Surely you can report any sock puppet concerns to the moderator or admin for clarification prior to launching baseless accusations.

ETA: And there is no need to send any further nastygrams to my PM box, as I will not respond (as you already know).

It looks like we're getting some more numbers:
Alpha Chi Omega:
Alpha Delta Pi:
Alpha Phi:86
Delta Delta Delta: 90
Delta Gamma: 78
Gamma Phi Beta: 88
Kappa Alpha Theta: 82
Kappa Kappa Gamma:
Pi Beta Phi: 87
Sigma Delta Tau: (participating in informal)

Do we know what quota was? So far it looks like all houses did quite well and so many girls found a place to call home!

Your quote from above does not reference QAs. QAs are in addition to quota, not part of quota. Restricting QAs would not violate that section of the green book; which is why I wonder if restricting QA is permitted for punsihing an infraction.

Anyone else have any idea?

There times in my life I've let things go...and other incidents that I dive into the mix. Titchou: Kaeb is a longtime poster. She goes to USC. You do not. Every school has a different Greek culture and yes...there are times that what is done on one campus isn't done in the NPC area or school where you live.

So...with far more tact and elegance than what you wrote: People make mistakes (or not) and you don't know us. If you can't say something constructive and/or civil because you don't like that it interferes with your concept of Panhellenic, or your little corner of the earth...stop. Think. And don't be a b*****

....now I will have my morning coffee.

Oh darling, bless your heart.

1) kaeb's join date is July 2010. Not sure that qualifies as a long-time poster. I don't consider myself a long-time poster.

2) kaeb has admittedly never participated in formal recruitment and is not familiar with the MOI, RFM, etc.

3) MY OPINION: Repeating hearsay and gossip is NOT Panhellenic in spirit, and is harmful to all parties involved. I will not stand for that and will speak up and call it out when I see it. For starters, you can't ever unring that bell; and there are going to be people who'll say "I heard that" or "I happen to know that" and perpetuate rumors as fact. This is not good for individual chapters, or for the system as a whole. It is hurtful and can cause a chapter to wither and die. I've seen it happen more than once. We should NOT be attacking other chapters or speculating on any situation without knowing specifics. How is this helpful?

4) Panhellenic officers and RCs should not be discussing confidential matters with non-Panhellenic officers and anyone else. This troubles me. We need to have confidence in those who've been elected to serve all chapters.

5) I have sent an email to inquire about QAs being restricted as a "punishment" and if I get an answer I will share it. I'm not even going to venture a guess on this.

5) Bottom line up front: this is all ridiculous. We all need to step back (me included) or this thread will be locked. I personally am quite thrilled with the health of the USC greek system and offer congratulations to all the chapters. I can't wait to see the Presents photos this year!

aside: ellebud, check your email in a couple of hours, please. long overdue news coming your way...

This just makes me laugh, can I use it as a quote?

I took her comment about not knowing anything about RFM, Quota, etc to mean she wasn't Greek. Sorry I misunderstood. As for what the MOI says, I'm out of the copy and paste business. All npc members can get a copy thru their web site or NPC delegate.

I thought that's what quota additions were? To get houses who weren't at total to quota? My apologies.

Darn my Angle-Saxon/Germanic heritage. Good thing my sisters love me for who I am, even if I am not, in fact, ethnically Greek... (not that I've ever pretended to be) That is what you mean, right? Because I'm pretty sure I am a part of the Greek system here at USC—unless I've hallucinated my new member period, my initiation, the important positions I hold and have held in my house, and the amazing moments of sisterhood I've experienced—in which case I would hopefully be getting help, and not be on Greekchat.

No. I don't think I've ever read one of HartofSec's posts (I'm guessing he/she posts mostly about the SEC? I'm all about the PAC-12, myself!). I do love that this is the second time I've been accused of being a sock puppet account for posting anything about USC, though. Clearly I forged my join date of two years ago, and my 170 posts (which admittedly aren't that many, but enough to be a nuisance to create out of thin air) were all added after the fact...

Now for an en masse apology.

I'm sorry. As you can see, I've retracted my statements about quota etc at USC. It was not my place to share them, but I came from a well-intentioned place. I do not want my friends to get in trouble for this, whatever I should not have shared but did is my fault. To defend them, I don't think anything they told me was confidential—it was just things that are not common knowledge, for whatever reason. (And I delineate between confidential and not common knowledge as such: confidential things are things people shouldn't know, for a legitimate reason, and things that are not common knowledge are things people just don't know because they haven't been told, e.g. that 10 members of a house's exec board are allowed to move into their sorority's house a day before the rest of the sorority can, or that chapter are allowed to correct one computer mistake, etc). The fact that houses get caught dirty rushing is not a secret, as the consequences of it are visible every year in one way or another.

2) kaeb has admittedly never participated in formal recruitment and is not familiar with the MOI, RFM, etc.

kaeb has participated in formal recruitment at USC. She wrote her recruitment story...

And thanks to AZTheta for such a logical post. And to KAEB, I did go off the deep end but we do not talk about individual NPCgroups here in a negative light. That's considered bad form. And when it's mine, I get particularly testy.

Wait, when did I do this?

kaeb has been a great poster! She does not deserve to be snarked at! As a West Coast resident with strong panhellenic roots in Los Angeles, I have enjoyed and appreciated her current college experience contributions here on GC. So much of what is posted on GC comes from a southern perspective, which is very interesting and enjoyable to read. But we need to appreciate our west coast posters too!

With all due respect to the interesting information shared here regarding NPC rules and procedures, I think that in RL the vast majority of Greeks -- including loyal, involved alums and current actives -- are not experts on RFM, QA, and the MOI.

And yet they are still Greek. :)

I think a lot of people get confused with the lingo. You may be confusing QAs with snap bids and/or COB.

QAs are in place to assist PNMs, not really chapters (not that the chapter doesn't benefit). To oversimplify, if a PNM is unmatched after quota has been filled (and the PNM maximized her options), the RFM specialist will place the unmatched PNM on a bid list for one of her preferenced chapters. Some RFM specialists will place the PNM in the smallest preferenced chapter, others will place the PNM on her highest ranked chapter, others may use other criteria completely. In the past, quota additions were capped at 5% of quota, but since PNMs were going unmatched, that restriction has been eliminated. Typically, the chapter will not know which new members are QAs and which were on the original matched list.

Snap bids are utilized by the chapter immediately after bid matching but before bid distribution, in order to assist the chapter in reaching quota. Regular chapter members are usually unaware that a new member has been snapped rather than matched. The new member will know, and maybe the recruitment chair and a few other officers of the chapter.

COB bids are used to assist the chapter in achieving chapter total and are extended after formal recruitment has concluded.

Both snaps and COB bids are executed by the chapter, not the RFM specialist.

Absolutely.:cool:

What was Quota?????
 

Does anyone know the QUOTA NUMBER for 2012 formal recruitment at USC?

Feel free to fill in the number of new members for the following chapters:

Alpha Chi Omega:
Alpha Delta Pi:
Kappa Kappa Gamma:

Alpha Phi: 86
Delta Delta Delta: 90
Delta Gamma: 78
Gamma Phi Beta: 88
Kappa Alpha Theta: 82
Pi Beta Phi: 87
(these numbers were all taken from prior posts -- they are not official). Thank you!

Quota was 78

ADPi 83