I don't buy it. Most groups support their philanthropies with massive fundraising programs. Not connecting is more likely the fact that some of the groups philantrophy choices are a little less "sexy" than others. I also don't recall saying that any of this made them "bad people." It probably makes them a little clueless.

I agree with you. As a former Executive Director for the Arthritis Foundation, I can verify that it is a harder "ask" than those fundraising for women's or children's charities. It's true, but I'm not sure much of that translates into which sorority you pick.

Cool. I didn't know that about you. I don't know how much philanthropy day plays into the decision of which chapter a woman chooses, either. Really, it should just give a woman an idea of how philanthropic the group really is. If a group barely talks about philanthropy, than maybe they don't do much. It doesn't really matter what the actual philanthropy is. Are you really going to kill yourself everytime you have to raise money for old people or help women in need or help patients with kidney disease? Kids aren't the only people who need help. Is arthritis a worthy cause only if it hurts children?

Jenna did it. Barbara went to Yale.

I am sure it was hard to explain to the chapters at UT that still had sleeping porches.

RE: Rushing while dad is POTUS (President of the United
States)

Linda Byrd Johnson may have, also -- the Zetas might know the status of this. I know she had Secret Service agents with her while she was a member (at UT Austin?). I remember hearing stories about this. :)

As did Lynda Bird Johnson. The secret service had their own rooms in the UT-Austin ZTA house.

Jinx Barbino,buy me a coke! We must have posted at the same time.

My daughter was cut/dropped/released from all chapters/her legacy chapter(s) and she's absolutely perfect in every way!

Translation: Your daughter had no desire to join a sorority/legacy sorority and instead of telling you that she decided to blame it on us, and really released herself from recruitment.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you did. I more meant that they might be worried a sorority would think that of them if they actually said "babies scare the crap oiut of me."

Like I said, I think my example is more if the group says they are doing *hands on* philanthropy on a regular basis. One of our philanthropies is Special Olympics, and there are chapters who do very little if nothing as far as fundraising for it, but are at every SO event within a 40 mile radius as volunteers.

Are you implying that Barbara would not have needed secret service when she rushed?

No, she's saying Barbara didn't rush.

No - I was saying that Barbara was a smart cookie, but did not go through recruitment as Yale does not have NPC groups.

Yale University
New Haven, CT
Spring 2012
Quota=
Campus Total=111
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Kappa Alpha Theta Epsilon Tau 1986
Kappa Kappa Gamma Zeta Xi 1987
Pi Beta Phi Connecticut Beta 1989
Alpha Epsilon Phi Beta Delta 1995-?

I assure you that both Jenna and Barbara, like their mother, are initiated members of Kappa Alpha Theta.

My bad. I will go back and correct my list of famous Greeks....

I checked it is not on Yale's website - are sororities off campus at Yale like at Harvard?

Well, I guess we can reliably remove Theta from the running of groups HQWest is a member of. I think we already knew that, though.

No, I am fairly certain that they are recognized. We also have a chapter at Harvard, but when listing our chapters we are not allowed to use the Harvard name with our chapter name. However, I always see the Yale name with our chapters. I will go look for links.

It may just be that Yale minimizes it?

ETA: found the link. Definitely minimizing Greek Life: http://admissions.yale.edu/extracurriculars

At least they have it in the same font. I've seen worse - like, where you seriously can't find it unless you do a google search.

:cool:

And you can probably remove Kappa and Pi Phi as well.

I was thinking the same.;)

Hey -neither twin is listed in the famous Theta's on KAT's national website either.

Weren't you the one pointing out mistakes in Panhellenic Handbooks week before last?

Would you consider them famous just because of an accident of birth? And I was pointing out mistakes in the AOII list. Because...I'm an (wait for it) AOII!

Hahahaha, I love it! AOII Angel-you are too funny! I know I'd also be annoyed if someone (who is most likely not a member) was trying to tell me I was wrong about mistakes in a Phi Mu list because I'm a (wait for it) Phi Mu...Who is HQWest, any way?

That is a rather philosophical question? Who are you?

Famous can be known for their achievements or widely known. It was a mistake, and I said so.

I am sure it is fun at your new member meetings memorizing the locations of every chapter ever of your sorority? and I guess every Greek woman of note, too?

I think they are famous, sure. Fame isn't merit based, no matter how much the Kardashians or Hiltons make me wish it were.


I'd be happy to claim the Bush twins if I were a Theta and even happier about claiming Laura Bush.

I'm sure all of the Theta's know the Bush twins are sisters. Whether or not their HQ decides to list them as "famous" or accomplished is their business.

I think it's also important to note that Laura Bush is listed because of her contributions to education and literacy. Give em a few years and I'm sure the twins will be listed for their work as well.

I've never been a fan of her husband, but I've always admired Mrs. Bush. I'd be happy to claim her and her daughters as well. :)

If you want to take your ball and go home, feel free.

Until then, your snark is weaksauce. Like serious weaksauce. Think going to BWW and ordering "Mild." And then add mayo. That weak.

So be a big kid, or put the pullups back on and toddle off.

Time better spent than incorrectly correcting others, I'd say.

It's not that you simple asserted something that proved to be false; you tried to correct an already factually correct post by a member of that GLO.

Probably best not to do that.

How's being impartial working for HQWest now?

Also, "it" has been corrected on Theta matters before.

So, perpetual sock-puppeteer or dumb noob, you decide!

Perhaps a combination. Spoob?

My pwecious perfect daughter didn't feel comfortable with the chapter she had left or received a bid to AND/OR she was released by all chapters.

Translation: She was released by chapters she and/or mom deemed worthy, or daughter liked a chapter but mom thinks the chapter is beneath her daughter and refused to pay if her daughter joined that chapter.

Could you even imagine? I just don't know what I'd do if I heard something that ridiculous in real life. NOT that I don't believe it ever happens. People are crazy.

Oh Drole, and 33: how do I love thee? Let me count the ways...

Laughed so loudly I woke the Belgians and they now want to play ball or go to the park. Thank you both, I can go to sleep while pondering how to weave the bolded comments into a new signature tagline...

Apparently, your reading comprehension needs some work. Not sure if you could "read" but, I'm an ALUMNA. That means that I graduated and I'm no longer a new member. What does me knowing about the various chapters of my sorority have to do with anything? What sorority are you in? If you feel the need to correct others, you should at least share your affiliation. Otherwise, you are just an insignificant sock puppet.

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One thing I want to point out is that when doing recruitment threads, a PNM should be careful what she says about the various chapters because she could end up in one of those "less desirable" chapters. Then, she'd have to go back and back-track so, as not to look like she trashed her new sisters.

THIS is why you should have at least a partial delay on rush threads, in my opinion. Providing details makes it more interesting but makes you more liable to bite yourself in the ass. I like reading the really old rush threads because they actually used the sorority names, but you better be super duper kind to everyone if you're going to do that. And euphemisms don't work - as this thread so clearly states.

As much as I LOVED reading the old rush threads with GLO names and clothing descriptions, I'd sooner never read another if it caused a girl to get busted by a sorority or if she went back and saw something negative she said about a group she grew to love over the week and felt bad.

Use your paper journal as your word vomit barf bag.

I think that back in the day we had so many of the annoying damn shameless plugs that hardly anyone bothered to read the rush threads. Now that we've pruned that particular weed, the rush stories are a lot more accessible.

sorry posted on wrong thread... never mind me

I've looked through this whole thread, and can't figure out what you're talking about. What are you talking about?

I hate to rain on the snark parade, but I disagree that "I liked these guys/girls but don't see myself here" is always a code for "I thought I was better than this chapter."

At my school, most fraternities were somewhere within the range of 80-120 brothers, far big enough to ensure that there were guys you'd get along with in every house. That being said, despite an incredibly diverse membership, the house as a whole would definitely have distinct characteristics in terms of how they ran their events, how they presented themselves, etc. There was one fraternity that most of my close friends (many of whom are closer to me than guys in my house house) were in that I never would have felt at home in, and this was a chapter that was considered "better" than my own.

Some chapters would take risk management risks that might seem inexcusably irresponsible to some guys and not enough of a risk to others. Some chapters would run their events with strict business like procedure, some would go for a more laid back "let's have fun and not take this too seriously." Some social events would be notoriously rowdier than others. Some chapters would have a much stronger focus on athletics to the point of alienating those who aren't into sports, and some chapters might not even show up to games and alienate athletes. It doesn't matter that the guys were nice and people that you'd be friends with outside of the chapter...the overall culture and experience the chapter offered could be a bad fit for any number of reasons. And frankly, although a PNM is not going to be able to see all of these specific examples during rush, I do believe they get a very clear signal on a subconscious level of whether the culture/vibe is a good fit.

While I obviously can't give you a firsthand example of going through sorority rush, there were HUGE differences in how the sorority chapters presented themselves and the types of experiences you would have at a chapter's events. The mood and vibes at a DG event vs. an ADPi event vs. a Theta event or whatever were distinctly and consistently different from each other despite the fact that the chapters were enormous (200ish) and there were clearly girls of just about every personality type in them. There may be alternative girls in the "girly" chapter, and you might get along with them, but that isn't going to change the fact that you might want to be playing capture the flag with the XYZs rather than attending the Pink Party with the ABCs, despite that there are ABCs you think are fun and nice.

The cultures of each group, no matter how gigantic or small the group, can vary widely at some campuses. Although I don't doubt for a second that many (if not the majority) of PNMs ARE making this excuse to wiggle out of a group they deem "not good enough", if you don't seem to believe that PNMs can sense the culture of a chapter from NPC recruitment enough to determine whether they'd fit in in the chapter's culture (not just getting along with the girls), then there are probably bigger problems with the process than just pretentious PNMs.

I <3 Blondie, just sayin...