*sigh*

You basic ass bitch. Please shut up.

Which you'd probably fail - the drug testing that is - or get caught on multiple offenses anyway.

Ever think that the fact that the pro-legalization lobby is made up almost entirely of potheads means no one takes you seriously? I mean the libertarians are really just outliers.

The more you talk, the more I think we should ban that shit.

No kidding...and idiots like this really hurt the cause.

For some reason, I thought of this (and PORKCHOP SANDWICHES!!) when I read your comment :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1BDM1oBRJ8

And after reading this entire thread, I think this link sums it up quite nicely.

You didn't want to offend another GLO, so you came here to see if there was already a sorority/fraternity named POT... You (supposedly) asked the chapter advisor for permission to make this shirt... you want to spend a decent amount of money making it... you want to stand up for what you believe in... This is all so very important to you... and yet...

... you don't want to wear this shirt out of the house? ...

... and you don't want anyone to know who you are and that you're wearing it?

:rolleyes:

I know I'm double posting, but I'm thinking that there needs to be an update to the GC Awards thread...

This genius managed to make it in just before the end-of-the-year buzzer.

As pot stays in your urine for 30 days and your hair for longer, either you're still a troll, my choice, you're not so dedicated to your cause that you won't skip it for over a month, or you use someone else's pee.

All three make you such a winner.

/drug tests people daily

Just one more thing to link your love for Greek life and marijuana. Lucky you.

Way to be dedicated to the legalization cause.

By trying to fool the tests.

If somehow you're real, you'll get busted AND fired one of these days. smh

You do realize you just keep giving us more information? Someone familiar with legalese can easily figure out the possible areas you are in and see where there are chapters of Sigma Sigma Sigma. Especially since you say you spent forever campaigning for Prop 19, which means you're probably in Cali.

Once people know what chapters of Tri-Sigma you could be in, it's very easy for the several national officers browsing this board to check and see which chapter you are in. All they have to ask about is a girl who is a very strong (and apparently very vocal) advocate for legalization of pot is in. Especially since said girl was born in 1989, once cut her hair quite short, is very involved in the campaigning for the cause, and asked her chapter advisor if she could get such a shirt.

If you really don't think this is going to bite you in the butt, you are sorely mistaken. I am not sure of your organization's policies, but I know this would be grounds for expulsion from my sorority.

(And I'm not even touching the legal issues here).

A simple IP check would also narrow that down even more. Just sayin'.

I generally try to just enjoy classic train-wrecks such as this one from a distance, but this quote is something that applies to so many things in life that i think that it deserves to be highlighted away from the smoldering metal of this thread.

Where is the train wreck photo when you need one?

As someone from northern California, I do have to say: wow, viewpoints on weed do differ between regions.

Here, you can actually get weed "legally." All you need to do is apply for a medical marijuana card, and you can get that for almost any reason that translates to "I like weed." I have some friends who got it simply for "stress" -- hopefully, everyone here has taken a midterm at some point.

I guess like every organization sees it differently, but how mines sees it, at least, is that it's a risk management issue. If you're caught with a joint at a chapter in Texas, that's grounds for expulsion. However, here, you don't even need to bother hiding it when the chapter consultant comes.

As for tests: a good portion of jobs available don't do drug tests. Personally speaking, regardless of whether or not I actually use any drugs, I'll comfortably refuse any one that requires testing. Luckily, I haven't actually applied anywhere that tests.

That said, even here, having a shirt that says "POT" is as bad as having one that says B Sigma Sigma R. You really don't want to be seen in public with one, and you definitely don't want to represent it as something related to Greek life.

A bong with your letters on it?

And seeing how her sorority's website lists only one chapter in California . . . .

Yeah that's the thing...it does vary. But I would have a hard time buying that any of our organizations would be ok with connecting illegal activity with letters, regardless of how individuals feel about weed. I personally think it should be legalized, but that doesn't mean I'm going to smoke it. It's illegal. And I certainly knew a few Greeks in college that would occasionally partake but were they to make that public knowledge they would have been in trouble. Not only because our organizations aren't down with smoking but because actives don't want their letters associated with it. I don't care what people do in the privacy of their homes, but when they directly connect it with my letters it becomes my problem, too.

IMO having a medical marijuana card is different, however flimsy the reason for obtaining it is. If it's legal for that person to possess it, no skin off my nose. As long as they're abiding by whatever terms have been given to them, fine.

Posting under the username "SusieBoo" and including no identifying info and saying how dumb the grass laws are and that they should be changed: OK.

Posting under the username "SusieSigKap" and giving your real location and saying all that stuff: Not OK. If your chapter is already in dutch with your school or your HQ, this is all they need to look even closer and possibly close it down. Think about the chapter sisters that you say are cool and openminded with what you do - do you really want to screw them over?

Saying you want to spend money on a stitched letter shirt that you'll never wear out of the house, regardless of what the letters are: Egregiously stupid.

I think that medical marijuana should be accessible, but that it's currently perscribed for bullshit reasons, like you say. That said, at least they've gone through the hoops.

Assuming you jumped through the hoops.

Good luck. It's easy to say that when you haven't actually been faced with that choice.

I think he means in Cali, not everywhere. If medical marijuana is as easy to get as he says it is, it would be a ridiculous waste of $$ for companies there to conduct drug tests at all.

Possible, but some jobs are still going to have that as a rule. And I don't think the job outlook is so awesome in CA that many people will feel safe turning down any job on principle. That said, IIRC he's not in college anymore so if one is already established it can be easier.

Under state law, yes. Under federal law, which constitutionally supercedes state law, it's still illegal. Legalized marijuana in California (and the other states that have legalized it) relies on (1) state officials deciding not to abide by federal law (a possible constitutional violation and a possible violation of the official's oath of office) and (2) the feds not wanting to put the resources into enforcing federal law.

MysticCat, THANK YOU for this! I try and try to get this through my Patients' heads. They all say, "Well, maybe I'll just move to CA-where it is legal." That's why (not that I believe people should use it and I am not advocating for it) I never understood why people would rather take their chances with getting caught using marijuana, which is illegal as opposed to smoking Salvia Divinorum-"Sally D" (what Miley Cyrus was reported to have used) where it is only illegal in some states and pending in others. It messes you up even more and you can buy it in headshops. If I was someone who used drugs, that is what I would be using.

Salvia is much more likely to result in a "bad trip"...I know plenty of people who have gotten sick from it and won't use it again. As far as I know that doesn't mean it's dangerous, but it can be unpleasant.

What I've been told (and yes, this is in no way legalese or personal experience) is that the medical marijuana users don't feel the need to worry because officials truly don't want to waste their time on them. They're willing to risk it because they make sure to keep only negligible amounts so that if they are arrested their punishment will be light. But again, this is what I've been told by friends that do use legally over on the west coast...I don't know how educated they are as to the letter of the law.

ETA: I will say as a cautious person I wouldn't smoke it even with the license. Unless it is legalized by the federal government, IMO even if the risk of being arrested is small, it isn't worth it. But I've never really been a risk taker. The three I know who do use it with a license think the benefit is worth the risk.

That's easier said than done.

If I have a heroin addiction, "Weed Lite" isn't going to cut it.

Weed isn't chemically addicting, only psychologically. People can have a desperate jones for weed, but they won't experience withdrawals. Not the same.

But heroin will cause users to experience withdrawals. That was my point. If I'm addicted to a hard drug, a "lesser" drug will not fill the void.

true.
Heroin replaces a neurotransmitter in the brain, dopamine, which is reponsible for feeling happy. This happens after only a few shots and the addict is completely reliant on the heroin for happiness.
Weed only alters perceptions, not the brain itself.

Yeah, I just read her post as saying it would be a better substitute for weed, not all illegal drugs. Someone addicted to heroin probably doesn't give a damn that it's illegal.

As a Chemical Dependency Therapist, I realize this. What I'm saying is that some people don't care how "bad" their trip is or they wouldn't try some of the drugs they try. If people were more afraid of legal consequences, they might try something that is legal but, also gives them some sort of trip.

In fact, it makes me wonder why Sally D isn't illegal in all states the way that marijuana is. Either way, I don't do drugs and I don't advocate for others to try them. I've seen too many lives ruined by experimentation and it's pretty sad.

I miss my psychology days. Isn't dopamine one of the things they're looking at as a link to depression?

(random, but oh well lol)

I read it as "If I were to choose to do drugs, I choose ____." I was just pointing out that if someone is on drugs, s/he is probably already addicted to a certain one.

I wouldn't care about the legalization of pot, except one thing: a female is born with all of the eggs she will ever have. Women do not "produce" eggs after birth. Women who smoke pot not only cause lower fertility for themselves, but they also cause fertility problems for their eggs (which could potentially be fertilized and become babies). How would it feel for your own child to not be able to have their own children because YOU decided to smoke pot? Men also damage their sperm, which can potentially affect a fetus, but I *think* if I remember right that it's more of a short-term issue...if he stops smoking, he clears up his sperm, depending on how much reproductive damage he has already caused himself.

I know that some potheads would argue that they're not having children, so it doesn't matter, but most potheads are pretty short-sighted (ex: OP), and don't think about the fact that many people change their minds about that kind of stuff when the biological clock starts ticking.

Going back to the OP cutting her hair really short because of a drug test and she's "dedicated"...

Am I an idiot? Or when you smoke pot and it would show in your hair, wouldn't it show in the hair that's closest to your head.....? Almost like a timeline? Because of... the way it grows out... ...?

Having not done drugs, I'm just going by logic.

ETA: Thank you for giving me something to read while home, sick, from work. Awesome.

I don't see it that way. There are a lot of people that do drugs recreationally and aren't continually "on drugs". We all knew (or knew of, at least) the kids in high school that smoked a little pot. It doesn't mean they're addicted. IMO that's a whole different ballgame from drugs like heroin. So I read it as her saying it could be an alternative to weed if someone feels that they have to smoke something (since it is legal)...which I don't personally think is a good idea. It seems to me that between those two, marijuana is definitely the lesser evil...it's just illegal and salvia isn't.

Aside from the handful of people I know that have tried things like coke, acid, or ecstacy (which are the "hardest" drugs anyone I know has experimented with to my knowledge) the kids I know who experiment(ed) with drugs stick to weed and pills. It did matter how they'd feel, which is why IMO I've heard so many bad things about salvia (and definitely influences me to never try it, even though it's legal).

As a layperson, I know many people that have had horrible struggles with alcohol and pills. But none that have had problems (health-wise, not legally) resulting from marijuana use. As I've said, I don't smoke it and won't because IMO it's stupid to risk getting arrested. And I certainly don't claim it has no bad side effects or doesn't make it easier for some people to try other drugs. But I find alcohol and prescription drug abuse a million times more frightening than use of marijuana. I'm sure I'm hardly alone here in knowing people that have been killed by drunk drivers, lost their jobs and families to alcoholism, or ended up in the hospital after taking someone else's adderrall or loratab.

OK.

We read her reply differently, but my response still stands (in the context that I explained).

I've been told the same thing. (About men and women) except for it effecting fertility of future children. Definitely something to take into consideration.

It's also bad for the lungs and does effect brain function after the initial effect wears off. I just think alcohol can be far more dangerous, and it's legal...just let people smoke their weed, and regulate it. At least it would make some sort of dent on the illegal drug trade which is, of course, an incredibly harmful and dangerous industry.

Yes, it's true that the hair closest to your head would be affected by the drugs.

It's also true that the OP is an idiot. I saw the relevant post, but there was so much other completely moronic stuff to comment on, this completely slipped my mind.

Wrong. Hair tests require an inch and a half. They drug tested at my Catholic high school, and males had to keep their hair at least an inch and a half long for random testing purposes (and no longer than 3 inches, dress code mandate)...and if the hair on your head wasn't long enough, they get it from...other places.

You're an ass. Can you just please shut up? I'm glad you think that you're funny, but it's just getting tiring now. I would be so embarrassed to have been someone that voted for you to get in.

True! That's why depression is also associated with diseases like Parkinsons, caused by a decrease in the dopamine production in the brain.

My dad has Parkinsons and the dompamine pills he takes help with both the tremor and the depression.

Even if I believed this person was legit (which, FTR, I don't), this is a ridiculous statement. You don't knowc their MS procedures and standards. Yes, this troll is certainly an embarrassment to the org they are claiming (or at least not denying) membership in, but I wouldn't go as far as insulting their MS.