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AlphaFrog 12-15-2010 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2012039)
I'm not saying that everyone orders or buys wine this way, and I'll say it again. Ive waited on many who know what they like, who are even more knowledgeable than myself. I'm not saying I know it all. I simply made a "broad and general statement" according to an experience IVE had. My parents subscribe to Wine Spectator, We've been to Napa, they have a cellar in their house. I'm not saying they buy according to name. I'm not the one with comprehension problems dear. You interpreted my statement as general, I interpreted your statement as misinformed on my circumstance.
Have I confused you with someone else, or are you a PNM? If you are, you might re-consider your tone, because you are not enamouring yourself to anyone, and people will take this seriously enough to hunt down your school and no-rec you. Fair warning.

AOII Angel 12-15-2010 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2012039)
I'm not saying that everyone orders or buys wine this way, and I'll say it again. Ive waited on many who know what they like, who are even more knowledgeable than myself. I'm not saying I know it all. I simply made a "broad and general statement" according to an experience IVE had. My parents subscribe to Wine Spectator, We've been to Napa, they have a cellar in their house. I'm not saying they buy according to name. I'm not the one with comprehension problems dear. You interpreted my statement as general, I interpreted your statement as misinformed on my circumstance.
So I said your statement was a generalization. You said it was not, now you are saying it was a "broad and general statement." Nice way to backtrack! Do you always like to pick fights for no reason.

Chicago88 12-15-2010 02:39 PM
Picking a fight was not my intention. But I'm a PNM so I'm clearly in the wrong for standing up for what I said. If I knew I wasn't allowed to make generalizations then I would have rethought my post especially if I knew it would turn into this. I just mentioned from previous experiences, limited or not, general or specific,what I've come across. My apoligies AOII angel. And no I'm not saying it because I'm afraid of someone figuring out my identity and black balling me from the greek world wherever I decide to go.

AlphaFrog 12-15-2010 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2012089)
Picking a fight was not my intention. But I'm a PNM so I'm clearly in the wrong for standing up for what I said. If I knew I wasn't allowed to make generalizations then I would have rethought my post especially if I knew it would turn into this. I just mentioned from previous experiences, limited or not, general or specific,what I've come across. My apoligies AOII angel. And no I'm not saying it because I'm afraid of someone figuring out my identity and black balling me from the greek world wherever I decide to go.
Nothing in this post addresses the same thing I was addressing. No one said that you shouldn't defend your point, however for someone in your position, you should do so WITHOUT alluding to someone having a reading comprehension issue and pet names...it's condescending, and you obviously meant it that way. And before we get into a pot/kettle discussion, yes, I snark people on a pretty regular basis, but I also got my bid while you were still in Jr. High, and am not worried in the least bit about impressing collegians and alumnae, as you should be, bless your heart (that was for you, KR).

Munchkin03 12-15-2010 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2012089)
Picking a fight was not my intention. But I'm a PNM so I'm clearly in the wrong for standing up for what I said. If I knew I wasn't allowed to make generalizations then I would have rethought my post especially if I knew it would turn into this. I just mentioned from previous experiences, limited or not, general or specific,what I've come across. My apoligies AOII angel. And no I'm not saying it because I'm afraid of someone figuring out my identity and black balling me from the greek world wherever I decide to go.
No one said that standing up for what you said is "wrong," it was all in your tone. It's all about being gracious at this juncture. Those of us who have been where you are now have earned our snark.

Chicago88 12-15-2010 03:05 PM
Some of the comments made to me I felt were condescending. I did not mention the comprehension issue until she told me I had the issue. Regardless, I wouldnt want to jepordize (Sp?) my chances because of a silly thread about wine. Again, my intention was not for it to blow up into this. I apoligized, back tracked, and whatever else because after re-reading from the beginning I realize what I had said. My point is I apoligized after comprehending what I had said and I extend that apoligy to you. I'm not offended in any way and I hope that I didn't offend anyone in the process.

AOII Angel 12-15-2010 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2012096)
Some of the comments made to me I felt were condescending. I did not mention the comprehension issue until she told me I had the issue. Regardless, I wouldnt want to jepordize (Sp?) my chances because of a silly thread about wine. Again, my intention was not for it to blow up into this. I apoligized, back tracked, and whatever else because after re-reading from the beginning I realize what I had said. My point is I apoligized after comprehending what I had said and I extend that apoligy to you. I'm not offended in any way and I hope that I didn't offend anyone in the process.
Your apology is accepted from my side. Realize that tone is hard to control in posts. Condescesion can be felt on both sides...that's why I suggested that you might have a limited exposure (as we all do.) To give you an example, my husband and I were at a restaurant in Dallas that is fairly upscale. My husband was excited to find a bottle of Sea Smoke Pinot on the menu for a very reasonable price point so he decided to buy it for us (a friend was with us for dinner.) The waiter commented when he ordered the bottle that he only wanted it because it was mentioned in the movie "Sideways." My husband was VERY offended by the comment. It was condescending to him that he would only choose his wine based on what a Hollywood actor drank on a movie rather than what he had researched on his own. To do so in front of a customer's guests was unthinkable, as well. Needless to say, that careless comment cost the waiter a generous tip cut back to an average tip. It still makes him mad to this day even though I tell him that the average person who asks the waiter for that bottle probably did hear about it from "Sideways."

Chicago88 12-15-2010 04:12 PM
Now I understand where you are coming from. If I would have known that I would have explained a little more on my perspective. Sea Smoke is a fabulous wine and Ive never even heard of the movie Sideways. Im sure I can tell you what restaurant that is because there are very limited restaurants in Dallas who carry it. I compliment the guests choice regardless of if its a 40 dollar bottle of BR Cohn, or a 150 dollar bottle. Everyone's taste buds are different and I'm not one to judge what you like / dislike.

Munchkin: I completely understand and I'm not offended by anyones snark towards me. And dont take this the wrong way, sure its a right of passage but sometimes is it necessary? Just from lurking on other threads and posts I see some thing that are unjustified, and some things deserve far more snarkiness than provided.

AlphaFrog 12-15-2010 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2012120)
Now I understand where you are coming from. If I would have known that I would have explained a little more on my perspective. Sea Smoke is a fabulous wine and Ive never even heard of the movie Sideways. Im sure I can tell you what restaurant that is because there are very limited restaurants in Dallas who carry it. I compliment the guests choice regardless of if its a 40 dollar bottle of BR Cohn, or a 150 dollar bottle. Everyone's taste buds are different and I'm not one to judge what you like / dislike.

Munchkin: I completely understand and I'm not offended by anyones snark towards me. And dont take this the wrong way, sure its a right of passage but sometimes is it necessary? Just from lurking on other threads and posts I see some thing that are unjustified, and some things deserve far more snarkiness than provided.
Of course snark isn't necessary, but it's just a reality. These boards are a microcosm of life. What you may not realize when someone doesn't get "appropriately snarked", is that other usernames know that they don't want to go tit-for-tat with certain people. And, let's face it....sometimes you know in going tit-for-tat with one person, others are going to jump in. There are cliques on GC, and rather than taking on the whole clique, people let certain people slide with more than others. Of course it's not fair, but such is life.

Chicago88 12-16-2010 01:28 AM
You aren't lying about cliques. :)

DrPhil 12-16-2010 01:40 AM
There are many GC back-and-forths that can be considered dumb and this is funnily one of them. Congrats on joining the ranks. LOL.

KSUViolet06 12-16-2010 01:42 AM
I went back to work today. I am so confused. I just wanted to talk about wine.

KSig RC 12-16-2010 03:37 AM
Welp, this thread got tarded up fast ... but oddly, not in the way I expected.

Besides, everybody knows that the most important determining factor for majority wine sales is price point, and "name recognition" is probably mainly a result of that. With that in mind ...

Most people who buy off the shelf at big-box stores will find a few things they like and stick to them. In that under-$25 range there are some fantastic deals though - Louis Martini's Napa Cab is solid, for example, and the Stonehedge line does pretty well across the board for a 10-dollar bottle of juice. Advances in non-varietal wines (like Big House White, which performs amazingly in food pairings), while really douching in the Cheerios of traditionalists, make for some really good values too, especially for "mixed pallets" (ie people who like, uh, everything).

Malbecs are kind of last week's hot new thing, so I'd expect most non-dedicated wine shops to be flooded with piles of junk on the low end, catering to people who read an article. Even then though, Tilia is just blow-out huge, and Archaval Ferrer has been really good for me.

If you're going shitty, btw, I'd suggest skipping nearly every "name" label and instead try something like Rex Goliath or older-date Penfolds stuff on the bottom shelf.

PincGator Que 12-16-2010 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 2012295)
Welp, this thread got tarded up fast ... but oddly, not in the way I expected.

Besides, everybody knows that the most important determining factor for majority wine sales is price point, and "name recognition" is probably mainly a result of that. With that in mind ...

Most people who buy off the shelf at big-box stores will find a few things they like and stick to them. In that under-$25 range there are some fantastic deals though - Louis Martini's Napa Cab is solid, for example, and the Stonehedge line does pretty well across the board for a 10-dollar bottle of juice. Advances in non-varietal wines (like Big House White, which performs amazingly in food pairings), while really douching in the Cheerios of traditionalists, make for some really good values too, especially for "mixed pallets" (ie people who like, uh, everything).

Malbecs are kind of last week's hot new thing, so I'd expect most non-dedicated wine shops to be flooded with piles of junk on the low end, catering to people who read an article. Even then though, Tilia is just blow-out huge, and Archaval Ferrer has been really good for me.

If you're going shitty, btw, I'd suggest skipping nearly every "name" label and instead try something like Rex Goliath or older-date Penfolds stuff on the bottom shelf.
All this right here wasn't even necessary.

DiamondAthena 12-16-2010 10:03 AM
Idk wth is going on up there....

But I noticed the OP was in Dallas so there is a place in Irving that sells the only Red I've ever loved. I like sweet wines and there is a brand called Villa M (it is sparkling) and I can only find it at Las Colinas Beverages on MacArthur. They also make a Moscato but it's too sweet even for me. It's about $20. And if you don't get everything you need there, there's a Flagship Tom Thumb next door with an excellent selection!

agzg 12-16-2010 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 2012295)
Advances in non-varietal wines (like Big House White, which performs amazingly in food pairings), while really douching in the Cheerios of traditionalists, make for some really good values too, especially for "mixed pallets" (ie people who like, uh, everything).
I bought a bottle of Big House Red once and wanted to try it but ended up being invited to a party last minute and grabbing a wine out of the rack to take along (usually I go to the liquor store and put a little more thought into what I take to parties rather than grabbing the bottle that looked interesting on the shelf at Target).

Have you tried the red? Any good?

I love me some random finger lakes wines, and I'll drink pretty much anything at least once. I appreciate wine in all its varients, and I don't care what the price point is as long as I have enough in my wallet to cover it.

AOII Angel 12-16-2010 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 2012295)
Welp, this thread got tarded up fast ... but oddly, not in the way I expected.

Besides, everybody knows that the most important determining factor for majority wine sales is price point, and "name recognition" is probably mainly a result of that. With that in mind ...

Most people who buy off the shelf at big-box stores will find a few things they like and stick to them. In that under-$25 range there are some fantastic deals though - Louis Martini's Napa Cab is solid, for example, and the Stonehedge line does pretty well across the board for a 10-dollar bottle of juice. Advances in non-varietal wines (like Big House White, which performs amazingly in food pairings), while really douching in the Cheerios of traditionalists, make for some really good values too, especially for "mixed pallets" (ie people who like, uh, everything).

Malbecs are kind of last week's hot new thing, so I'd expect most non-dedicated wine shops to be flooded with piles of junk on the low end, catering to people who read an article. Even then though, Tilia is just blow-out huge, and Archaval Ferrer has been really good for me.

If you're going shitty, btw, I'd suggest skipping nearly every "name" label and instead try something like Rex Goliath or older-date Penfolds stuff on the bottom shelf.
I have a bottle of his Finca Altamira 2003 in my wine cabinet that I'm not allowed to touch along with three bottles of his regular 2008 Malbec. As for Malbec being last week's hot new thing...it happens to all wines. Pinot Noir, Cabernet, etc. Wineries figure out that people like something so they start cranking out crappy bottles just to make a buck. It doesn't make the good ones less enjoyable.

Munchkin03 12-16-2010 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2012281)
I went back to work today. I am so confused. I just wanted to talk about wine.
Hey, I never stopped talking about wine! I also discussed parlaying a love of wine into a sorority alumnae chapter event.

AOII Angel 12-16-2010 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 2012328)
Hey, I never stopped talking about wine! I also discussed parlaying a love of wine into a sorority alumnae chapter event.
You know, every time she goes to work, GC goes to hell in a hand basket!

KSig RC 12-16-2010 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2012318)
Have you tried the red? Any good?
A looooooooooong time ago, yes, during a tasting. I recall thinking of it as a great "grilling wine" - not heavy, medium body. For the price, it's definitely worth a shot.

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2012327)
I have a bottle of his Finca Altamira 2003 in my wine cabinet that I'm not allowed to touch along with three bottles of his regular 2008 Malbec.
Nice! How much do you guys cellar? I don't have anything at all right now, although we have a good space ... I need to look more into getting moving on that, but wine takes so much time anymore, and I don't really have occasion to move off the middle shelf like, ever ... maybe friends having kids, or birthdays.

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As for Malbec being last week's hot new thing...it happens to all wines. Pinot Noir, Cabernet, etc. Wineries figure out that people like something so they start cranking out crappy bottles just to make a buck. It doesn't make the good ones less enjoyable.
Oh definitely - I agree totally, the good ones are still excellent, and there's a good reason why some wines become the "hot new thing" ... they're good!

I was just saying what you were - that the market gets flooded on the low/medium end, so spend some time looking around/tasting and find the ones you like best. I might have just said it worse, haha. :p

AOII Angel 12-16-2010 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 2012385)
Nice! How much do you guys cellar? I don't have anything at all right now, although we have a good space ... I need to look more into getting moving on that, but wine takes so much time anymore, and I don't really have occasion to move off the middle shelf like, ever ... maybe friends having kids, or birthdays.
We got the Finca Altamira as a second bottle along with one to give my Chairman who introduced me to Malbec. It's one of the few bottles that we moved to Phoenix with us since it's hard to get wine cross country in 100 degree weather so we wrapped it up in clothes and checked about ten bottles in luggage. In B'more we had a 90 bottle antique riddling rack that we left behind and average about 45-55 bottles at a time. My husband goes on buying sprees. Right now, we probably have 30 bottles, but he's also been distracted by Scotch. Go figure. It's easier to find wine in Phoenix than Maryland because we have HUGE wine stores here.

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 2012385)
Oh definitely - I agree totally, the good ones are still excellent, and there's a good reason why some wines become the "hot new thing" ... they're good!

I was just saying what you were - that the market gets flooded on the low/medium end, so spend some time looking around/tasting and find the ones you like best. I might have just said it worse, haha. :p
I figured that's what you were saying...just translating since someone posted that your post was unnecessary. I'm trying to figure out where they're going next with the next new thing. I just drink what I like if I'm picking by the glass or what my husband puts in front of me if drinking by the bottle.:p

Tulip86 12-17-2010 07:59 AM
If you appreciate a Malbec, try La Linda, affordable and very good!

Chicago88 12-18-2010 03:05 AM
Well, its official. As much as I like wine I'm allergic to reds except malbec for some reason it doesn't give me a headache. One ounce is all my body can handle before I get a migrane and break out.. :(

knight_shadow 12-18-2010 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2012280)
There are many GC back-and-forths that can be considered dumb and this is funnily one of them.
Right? I am still trying to figure out what the hell happened lol

PeppyGPhiB 12-19-2010 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2012691)
Well, its official. As much as I like wine I'm allergic to reds except malbec for some reason it doesn't give me a headache. One ounce is all my body can handle before I get a migrane and break out.. :(
Are you sure it's not just an allergy to sulfites or tannins? Try a red that is lower in sulfites and/or tannins and you might solve the problem. Lots of people have that allergy.

arrowlady 12-19-2010 10:28 AM
Wow this thread took a lane swerve big shocker

I just wanted to thank whoever posted about Cupcake. I saw it while shopping the other day and picked up a bottle of the Merlot, had it last night and really enjoyed it!

Chicago88 12-19-2010 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 2012890)
Are you sure it's not just an allergy to sulfites or tannins? Try a red that is lower in sulfites and/or tannins and you might solve the problem. Lots of people have that allergy.

It is the sulfites. The only thing I can drink more than an ounce of is malbecs. Im having a hard time with cabs and blends.

PeppyGPhiB 12-20-2010 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2012915)
It is the sulfites. The only thing I can drink more than an ounce of is malbecs. Im having a hard time with cabs and blends.
I find if I take an antihistamine before/after drinking red wine, I don't get as many headaches. Sulfites get to a lot of people...that's what makes some people's cheeks and noses turn red when they drink red wine.

Chicago88 12-20-2010 01:39 AM
Who needs a Dr. when you have google...right? lol

I get chronic migranes anyway, every morning I eat a spoon full of minced garlic and it keeps the migranes at bay because my body is so immune to any sort of hearache reliever. Its strange that it just happened all of a sudden.

DrPhil 12-20-2010 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2013048)
Who needs a Dr. when you have google...right? lol
Everyone. ;)

Chicago88 12-20-2010 02:18 AM
I prefer you over the real Dr.Phil. He just bothers the hell out of me.

Chicago88 12-20-2010 02:29 AM
If you are then the only episode of your show Ive ever watched was when you had the creator of thedirty.com on there.

PeppyGPhiB 12-20-2010 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2013048)
Who needs a Dr. when you have google...right? lol

I get chronic migranes anyway, every morning I eat a spoon full of minced garlic and it keeps the migranes at bay because my body is so immune to any sort of hearache reliever. Its strange that it just happened all of a sudden.
I get migraines, too. The only thing that works for me is sumatriptan.

PeppyGPhiB 03-25-2011 08:11 PM
Bump! Because I'm going to Taste Washington on Sunday, a foodie's dream event with more than 200 of our state's wineries and 60 fine restaurants. All the samples one can drink and eat: http://tastewashington.org/wp-conten...EventGuide.pdf


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