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ComradesTrue 09-07-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Always AlphaGam (Post 1980212)
But it's the last year in the WAC...what will the naysayers say when they join the MWC next year?

As a TCU grad I can tell you that they will be saying exactly what they said to us last year: "no dice."

Honestly, though, as much as I would love to see my school play for a national championship I do see the reasoning. Playing a WAC or a MWC schedule is not the same as playing a Big XII, Big X, or SEC schedule. It doesn't mean that the team itself isn't as good as the best that those conferences have, though. But the week to week battles are not the same, so without a playoff the debate rages on.

As someone who attended TCU when we were cellar-dwellers in the old Southwest Conference (may it rest in peace...) I am absolutely thrilled to even be in the top 25, not to mention being BSC bowl contenders. This is enough for me. If they let us (or Boise for that matter) in, then all the better. But I won't be among the legions crying foul if it doesn't happen.

Actually I would just be happy with some national respect. Three touchdown upset to Oregon State, Lee Corso? Gee, thanks. Whatever.

AOII Angel 09-07-2010 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Blondie93 (Post 1980213)
As a TCU grad I can tell you that they will be saying exactly what they said to us last year: "no dice."

Honestly, though, as much as I would love to see my school play for a national championship I do see the reasoning. Playing a WAC or a MWC schedule is not the same as playing a Big XII, Big X, or SEC schedule. It doesn't mean that the team itself isn't as good as the best that those conferences have, though. But the week to week battles are not the same, so without a playoff the debate rages on.

As someone who attended TCU when we were cellar-dwellers in the old Southwest Conference (may it rest in peace...) I am absolutely thrilled to even be in the top 25, not to mention being BSC bowl contenders. This is enough for me. If they let us (or Boise for that matter) in, then all the better. But I won't be among the legions crying foul if it doesn't happen.

Actually I would just be happy with some national respect. Three touchdown upset to Oregon State, Lee Corso? Gee, thanks. Whatever.

Absolutely! Also, considering that teams like Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Texas, Ohio St. (need I go on?) have much tougher schedules (especially the SEC) and are beaten up by the end of the year, Boise State beating Oklahoma in a Bowl Game means very little. Schedule strength is a huge factor, and Boise St. has a pitiful schedule. If they continue to skate through the season on those kinds of match ups, you'll start seeing the more competitive conferences calling foul.

AOII Angel 09-07-2010 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OleMissGlitter (Post 1979337)
Tough loss in Oxford today...hopefully it won't be too long of a season!

Bah. It was what LSU almost did. Figured you won it and called in the rest of the game. Hopefully Coach Nutt learned a lesson. I'm already sick of all the boo hooing I'm hearing from other LSU fans about our performance on Saturday, and we actually won. At least it won't be boring, right?:rolleyes:

Kappamd 09-07-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1980293)
Absolutely! Also, considering that teams like Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Texas, Ohio St. (need I go on?) have much tougher schedules (especially the SEC) and are beaten up by the end of the year, Boise State beating Oklahoma in a Bowl Game means very little. Schedule strength is a huge factor, and Boise St. has a pitiful schedule. If they continue to skate through the season on those kinds of match ups, you'll start seeing the more competitive conferences calling foul.

And how exactly are these small schools supposed to improve their schedules when these so-called "competitive conferences" a. either refuse to play them entirely, or force them to spend their entire OOC schedule traveling? Talk about an unfair advantage.

This whole system is complete BS, and I am sick of schools like *insert overconfident, self-absorbed football school* going on like they own the BCS. Why don't we just get rid of all football teams outside of the SEC, Big Ten, etc.? We certainly wouldn't want to take any of your TV time away.

Kevin 09-07-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kappamd (Post 1980297)
And how exactly are these small schools supposed to improve their schedules when these so-called "competitive conferences" a. either refuse to play them entirely, or force them to spend their entire OOC schedule traveling? Talk about an unfair advantage.

This whole system is complete BS, and I am sick of schools like *insert overconfident, self-absorbed football school* going on like they own the BCS. Why don't we just get rid of all football teams outside of the SEC, Big Ten, etc.? We certainly wouldn't want to take any of your TV time away.

It's about money, not sportsmanship and competition.

Boise State isn't going to mean as many butts in seats or TV watchers as even Baylor or Vanderbilt. If they were, maybe the Big XII or Pac-10 would be looking to snatch them up.

VandalSquirrel 09-07-2010 08:09 PM

Bluorange State can't even sell out the Smurf Stadium, and their physical geography doesn't help in having opposing teams fan show up, except for Idaho and Utah, and okay, Oregon as it is on the interstate.

For all their whining about how no one will give them a chance and play with them, Andy Staples http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ate/index.html pointed out their hypocrisy in not committing to playing my school's sucky team. I personally don't care if we play BSU again, but if it wasn't for all the whack schools in the WAC, there'd be a lot less Ws for BSU.

Big schools don't want to play because you're in a flyover desert that isn't a vacation destination like Hawaii, your University president gets butt hurt over an editorial in a student newspaper, and if something isn't done about the academic situation there won't be a school for a football team.

I'll reserve all of my nasty and inebriated uncivil comments about the truck driving degrees and bandwagon non-alumni fans for another time; but at least I realize and acknowledge the limitations of my school location and don't cray about it or crap all over the teams who got me to my wins.

AOII Angel 09-07-2010 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1980305)
It's about money, not sportsmanship and competition.

Boise State isn't going to mean as many butts in seats or TV watchers as even Baylor or Vanderbilt. If they were, maybe the Big XII or Pac-10 would be looking to snatch them up.

It's not like all of these schools are clamoring to join a big conference either. Look at Notre Dame. They have a cake schedule, and have been asked to join competitive conference several times. They aren't interested because they can sit back with their exclusive NBC contract and not have to play hard schools all year.

As for KappaMD, Boise St could join one of those conferences if they wanted to, but they don't want to do it. There was a lot of talk this past year of conference expansion. If you want to play with the big guys, you have to have a comparable schedule...that includes playing comparable teams. They could play more competitive teams. All of the competitive schools have slots in their schedules to play non-conference teams. LSU played UNC and will be playing West Virginia this year. We played Virginia Tech last year and will play Oregon St in our season opener next year. It sure is easy to sit back with an easy schedule and complain while others have the tougher match-ups.

Kappamd 09-07-2010 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1980305)
It's about money, not sportsmanship and competition.

Boise State isn't going to mean as many butts in seats or TV watchers as even Baylor or Vanderbilt. If they were, maybe the Big XII or Pac-10 would be looking to snatch them up.

No kidding.

Kevin 09-08-2010 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1980314)
IAs for KappaMD, Boise St could join one of those conferences if they wanted to, but they don't want to do it.

Yeah, the BCS conferences are just lined up for Boise State.

They average about 32K fans per game in the stands.

AOII Angel 09-08-2010 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1980467)
Yeah, the BCS conferences are just lined up for Boise State.

They average about 32K fans per game in the stands.

I'll give you that, but they could definitely strengthen their schedule by adding in away games at bigger schools. No ones going to go play on their stupid blue AstroTurf, but that's their own fault for putting such a hard to look at grass in their stadium. If they negotiate right, they could play a neutral sites so they don't give away home field advantage. In the end they're the ones trying to prove themselves...make the effort. It's not about which conference is the best, but at least those conferences are pitting their best against each other week after week instead of just pronouncing that a team is good without testing them. If that's all it takes, why even play the game?

Kevin 09-09-2010 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1980483)
I'll give you that, but they could definitely strengthen their schedule by adding in away games at bigger schools.

To be minimally credible as a contender for anything, they have to figure out a decent way to get a good SOS. Playing a couple of 2nd tier teams and then a bunch of teams who would probably go 0-fer in major conferences ain't going to get you there. Even if they're undefeated, a 1 loss team from any BCS conference or even a 2-loss team from the SEC deserves to play in the title game more than Boise.

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No ones going to go play on their stupid blue AstroTurf, but that's their own fault for putting such a hard to look at grass in their stadium. If they negotiate right, they could play a neutral sites so they don't give away home field advantage. In the end they're the ones trying to prove themselves...make the effort. It's not about which conference is the best, but at least those conferences are pitting their best against each other week after week instead of just pronouncing that a team is good without testing them. If that's all it takes, why even play the game?
And again, no one cares about whether they can beat anyone. Boise State brings an unremarkable TV audience. That's the issue.

VandalSquirrel 09-09-2010 03:21 AM

I couldn't help but laugh at this article in the Idaho Statesman. It mentions Bluorange State fans having so much tied up in the Donkeys that:

"Greg Mondin, a Boise psychologist and expert on sports psychology, says some fans have so much of themselves tied up in the Broncos they may lose perspective.

"The root of this is the need to be attached to something successful," Mondin said. "People really want to be a part of it, and the hype makes the outcome feel more important. For some people, if they win, they'll take it to heart so much they'll feel like they played in the game and it's their accomplishment."

And if they lose? "Where that gets unhealthy is if that's the only thing contributing to your self-image."

To keep from sulking for days, calling in sick Tuesday, or lashing out at loved ones, Mondin suggested fans consider the big picture, including all the other good things in Idaho - the outdoors, family, good restaurants, an envied quality of life.

"Those things don't change just because the team loses, but we could let ourselves feel that way," he said."

Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/0...#ixzz0z0xTxxML

I'm glad to know the years we were consistently in the Bottom 10 and losing on the regular didn't cause me to be institutionalized or taking antidepressants.

ETA: Our president, Duane Nellis, has a friendly wager with the Nebraska president as we have a game Saturday. It involves Nebraska beef and corn, and on our end Kobe beef and potatoes, obviously. There's also an interview with a tv station out of Spokane with Coach Akey, he cracks me up when he says re: Nebraska; I don't want to break y'all's hearts, but nobody is going to pick us to win this game, so we really can't screw it up.

DubaiSis 09-09-2010 04:22 AM

What do you call 48 people sitting around watching a bowl game?



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The Iowa State Cyclones!

This is the Iowa/Iowa State football game weekend. Go Hawks!

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/6/66/...keyes_logo.jpg

knight_shadow 09-11-2010 07:57 PM

AHHHHH

GO BLUE!!!!!!!

AOII Angel 09-11-2010 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1980896)
To be minimally credible as a contender for anything, they have to figure out a decent way to get a good SOS. Playing a couple of 2nd tier teams and then a bunch of teams who would probably go 0-fer in major conferences ain't going to get you there. Even if they're undefeated, a 1 loss team from any BCS conference or even a 2-loss team from the SEC deserves to play in the title game more than Boise.



And again, no one cares about whether they can beat anyone. Boise State brings an unremarkable TV audience. That's the issue.

I disagree that it's all about the money. They've actually shown that a play off format would make more money than a bowl series, but tradition and the advertising makes a huge difference. LSU doesn't care if Boise State has no audience because LSU has a huge audience. They just care if playing Boise State will get them a national TV appearance...and we all know it would. (I'm using LSU as an example.) So what if 90% of the people watching the game are rooting for LSU? It's still on national TV, which gives LSU a chance to showcase their program to HS players, hoping that those players will sign.

AGDee 09-11-2010 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1982062)
AHHHHH

GO BLUE!!!!!!!

Ditto :)

pomplemousse12 09-11-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1982124)
Ditto :)

THEY WONNNN :D:D:D:D

NinjaPoodle 09-12-2010 02:11 PM

WHAT?!?!?!! CAL beat Colorado 52 -7!?!? DAAAAAAAYYYUUUUMMMM!

Benzgirl 09-12-2010 03:28 PM

The O's beat the F's!

AGDLynn 09-18-2010 03:29 AM

Hometown kid playing for the Irish!
http://www.leprechaunlegion.com/2010...-of-2011.html/

On one hand, :D
On the other hand, :p

I have never liked Notre Dame but at least it's not another SEC or ACC school.

IrishLake 09-18-2010 08:15 AM

Go Irish!!!!

Today is OSU vs OU. I'm cheering for the Bobcats!

AGDLynn 09-18-2010 11:58 AM

Read this in the local paper's "Soundoff" section and thought it was cute.
You could also change the fan to any team, lol.

What does a Tiger fan do after Auburn wins the national championsip?

Turn off the Playstation 3.
;)

Gooooo Clemson Tigers!
And Georgia Bulldawgs and Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets

(Oh and Atlanta Braves baseball!):D

AGDLynn 09-18-2010 10:20 PM

Okay this is cool....I posted on an Alpha Gam's fb about an Atlanta radio station wanting Lambuth hats and jerseys (a week after they beat Georgia State). I didn't know her hubby was President of Lambuth!!

Psi U MC Vito 09-19-2010 03:40 AM

GO VANDALS!!!!!!!

AGDee 09-20-2010 06:51 AM

Awesome job this weekend Coach Dantonio. You made a very bold call and it paid off for Michigan State. We are saddened by the heart attack that you had after the game and even us Michigan fans are praying for a quick recovery.


So Go Blue! and Go Green! Go White!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNdCb...layer_embedded

Just in case you missed what is bound to be the best play in college football this season during the MSU-Notre Dame game :)

Shortly after the game, the coach, 54-year-old MARK DANTONIO, suffered a HEART ATTACK.He was rushed to a hospital in Lansing, Michigan, where doctors found a vessel to his heart was closed, and used a stent to re-open it.He's still in the hospital, and there's no word on when he might return to the team . . . so their offensive coordinator is taking over as interim head coach while he recovers.

AGDLynn 09-25-2010 10:04 PM

When it rains in Tuscaloosa, will the Alabama Tide turn into bubbles?

Preston327 09-26-2010 01:34 AM

How the hell does my team lose to a winless team? FAU, you disappoint me. That interception in the fourth should never have been anywhere near the outside linebacker because he was playing zone like 10 yards in front of your receiver. Learn to make clutch passes :mad:

Oh well. At least my Wolverines beat up on Bowling Green, so I can be somewhat happy.

AOEforme 09-26-2010 08:23 AM

70-3!

(I can't brag too much though, because it wasn't conference and was slightly unfair. Next week, I will brag :) )

southbymidwest 09-26-2010 03:52 PM

I feel bad for the MAC schools getting pounded by the Big 10 schools every year, but the bottom line for the MAC is money. Playing a Big 10 team in a Big 10 stadium means a significant check for the MAC member's athletic department, and can really impact their bottom line. Travel costs aren't too bad either- BG is about 1.5-2 hours from Ann Arbor. Ohio U is what, 2 hours from Columbus? I would imagine it is the same for other similar schools that play big SEC, ACC, etc. teams.

Preston327 09-26-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by southbymidwest (Post 1987810)
I feel bad for the MAC schools getting pounded by the Big 10 schools every year, but the bottom line for the MAC is money. Playing a Big 10 team in a Big 10 stadium means a significant check for the MAC member's athletic department, and can really impact their bottom line. Travel costs aren't too bad either- BG is about 1.5-2 hours from Ann Arbor. Ohio U is what, 2 hours from Columbus? I would imagine it is the same for other similar schools that play big SEC, ACC, etc. teams.

The experience can also be a positive. One of my brothers was on FAU's team, and he said playing Florida was great big-game experience because even though they (predictably) got crushed it gave them exposure to things like big-game atmosphere that we don't really get too much of in Sun Belt.

Kappamd 09-26-2010 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by southbymidwest (Post 1987810)
I feel bad for the MAC schools getting pounded by the Big 10 schools every year, but the bottom line for the MAC is money. Playing a Big 10 team in a Big 10 stadium means a significant check for the MAC member's athletic department, and can really impact their bottom line. Travel costs aren't too bad either- BG is about 1.5-2 hours from Ann Arbor. Ohio U is what, 2 hours from Columbus? I would imagine it is the same for other similar schools that play big SEC, ACC, etc. teams.

Yes, but it doesn't make the losses for MAC alumni feel any better. :(

Benzgirl 09-26-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by southbymidwest (Post 1987810)
I feel bad for the MAC schools getting pounded by the Big 10 schools every year, but the bottom line for the MAC is money. Playing a Big 10 team in a Big 10 stadium means a significant check for the MAC member's athletic department, and can really impact their bottom line. Travel costs aren't too bad either- BG is about 1.5-2 hours from Ann Arbor. Ohio U is what, 2 hours from Columbus? I would imagine it is the same for other similar schools that play big SEC, ACC, etc. teams.

I'm beyond making peace with this set up.

AOII Angel 09-27-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kappamd (Post 1987848)
Yes, but it doesn't make the losses for MAC alumni feel any better. :(

Schools stopped caring about that a long time ago! My alma mater went as far as changing our name against alumni opposition to make it easier to make money with our football program as whipping boys for bigger schools. Apparently a directional name, ie. Northeast Louisiana University, was too difficult for people to understand, so we changed to the University of Louisiana at Monroe. Not to mention, we were National Champions at the 1AA (or whatever it used to be called...that was 15 years ago :D) and we moved up to 1A just for the money.

PeppyGPhiB 10-02-2010 11:43 PM

Suck it, USC!

Always AlphaGam 10-02-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1990168)
Suck it, USC!

Yes. I think I shall post this many times on my FB. My arrogant USC friends are all silent now and it is beautiful.

knight_shadow 10-03-2010 02:37 AM


AGDLynn 10-09-2010 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDLynn (Post 1987640)
When it rains in Tuscaloosa, will the Alabama Tide turn into bubbles?

Yea!!!! So, I totally don't like Steve Spurrier but happy his team beat the Tide.

FINALLY, the Gators had had bad luck!!! :D I am sooo tired of how it always seems they luck out at the last second.

Now, if that could extend to when the Dawgs play them.

GOOOO, MY TEAMS!:D

efcheerBB 10-10-2010 12:08 AM

So proud of my amazing SPARTANS on their huge victory over the Wolverines!! Go Green! Go White! Go STATE!! 3 in a row over U of M!!

knight_shadow 10-10-2010 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by efcheerBB (Post 1992655)
So proud of my amazing SPARTANS on their huge victory over the Wolverines!! Go Green! Go White! Go STATE!! 3 in a row over U of M!!

*barf*

AGDee 10-10-2010 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by efcheerBB (Post 1992655)
So proud of my amazing SPARTANS on their huge victory over the Wolverines!! Go Green! Go White! Go STATE!! 3 in a row over U of M!!

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1992660)
*barf*

I'm kind of surprised that none of the sports analysts I listened to made a note that Michigan has lost 3 years in a row and Rich Rod has been the coach for 3 years. Coincidence? I think not.


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