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Drolefille 08-18-2010 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1971346)
No, I was not. I was just saying that out of all the Indian girls I knew/met before/during rush, none of us ended up joining a sorority, either because we were cut from all of them, or because we dropped because we didn't get into any of the ones we wanted.

So..... yeah. That'll keep you from joining.

Except the one. Who was in one that wasn't very good.

:rolleyes:

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1969884)
Just wondering - did you (all) get dropped or did you (all) drop out because a chapter that wanted you "wasn't very good?"

I personally was cut from all of them. Most of the others I spoke to dropped out because they were cut from either the "good ones" or the ones they wanted to be a part of.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn (Post 1970339)
How many Juniors do you know who received bids? Or should I say how many Juniors received bids to a "good" sorority?

None, but I rushed as a freshman. I'm a Junior now.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1970353)
She said she's a junior now, and she rushed two years ago. I think she was a freshman when she went through recruitment. That being said, she leaves a lot of holes open in her story.


Yes, that's correct-I was a freshman when I went through recruitment. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have as to the open holes in my story.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alumiyum (Post 1970364)
I disagree strongly since it's such a general statement. On some campuses it is not harder at all. It depends on the campus. I can definitely think of a few where it probably is extremely hard, but I also know of a few where it doesn't seem to make a difference. (In other words, that's an overly simplistic answer and isn't true for all schools in the south.)



You do not know whether or not your race was the reason you didn't get a bid.


Well, yes, I do not KNOW. But I am fairly sure. By philanthropy day, I only had 3 sororities invite me back, and two of them were ones that I had cut already. That early on in recruitment, I feel like there is no other reason to be cut from that many.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1970386)
Oh, I missed that little comment. That clears things up.

I love when people say "I didn't get a bid because of _________" and then say something like that. Assholery is an equal opportunity employer, people.


I'm just being fair. Like I said, neither I nor any other Indian girl I met that I rushed with got in. To be fair though, I worded that very carefully because a. There is always the chance that there is an Indian girl that rushed with me or has rushed since I went through recruitment that got in, although I haven't seen any evidence of it, and b. I did see that one Indian girl in a sorority.

Alumiyum 08-18-2010 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1971354)
Well, yes, I do not KNOW. But I am fairly sure. By philanthropy day, I only had 3 sororities invite me back, and two of them were ones that I had cut already. That early on in recruitment, I feel like there is no other reason to be cut from that many.

There are many reasons to be cut, even that early, and especially during a competitive recruitment. You don't know why you were cut.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GTAlphaPhi (Post 1970403)
Firstly, I'm not denying that being a certain ethnicity or not being a certain ethnicity can cause impediments when one wants to join some chapters of GLO's (this includes NPC, NPHC, etc.) at some campuses at some points in time.

The XYZ chapter at West Cost University may not be welcoming to a certain ethnicity, but the XYZ chapter at East Coast University may be super-welcoming. Also, the trends of said chapter at West Coast and East Coast University may change over time (and obviously, the people doing the actual recruiting will change) and in ten years , you may see the opposite trends at these schools. The point is, times change, people's feelings change, and perhaps most importantly, student body demographics change (especially at public universities).

I just wanted to point out that the recruitment classes at UT Austin and many Texas/SEC schools are so incredibly legacy-heavy (where many girls are double, triple, or even more, and often chapter legacies on top of that). It's just a fact that Indian Americans and other Asian Americans generally don't have deep-rooted GLO traditions in their families (yet!).

All else being equal, a non-legacy being picked over a double legacy is just not realistic. Yes, all familial Greek roots have to start sometime and somewhere, but Texas just isn't a promising place to do that. Can a non-legacy (of any ethnicity) beat out a Texas triple-legacy (who's well-qualified in her own right) for a bid? Sure, it can happen, but said non-legacy had better have Einstein's brains, Jerry Lewis's enthusiasm for philanthropy, Miss Universe's looks, George Clooney's [perceived] personality and charm, and other talents/accomplishments as well (performing arts, athletics, etc.). You can work out the probability of that on your own.

For the record, I'm an Indian-American born and raised in the South.


I completely agree with everything you've just said. In my opinion, if they had kept me around until closer to the end of recruitment, I wouldn't have considered being dropped to be racist. In that case, I would say that of course it would mean more to a girl who's a legacy or has Greek roots to be given a bid than me. I personally feel that my rush experience was racist because I was dropped so early.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1970463)
Crap, someone may want to tell that to my sorority, Kappa Delta, because we've got some prominent alumnae that are Indian.

Mona Jain:
https://friends.kappadelta.org/alumn...AA/FL/jain.xml

Her daughter Anila Jain is also a KD and is Vice Chairman of our Foundation.

We even have a scholarship named after them:
https://friends.kappadelta.org/conte...dationnews.xml

And crap, I'd better tell the chapter that I advise about the no-Indian rule, because they've initiated a number of them.


I think it's wonderful that your school and sorority is so open to the Indian race. I simply mean that in my experience with the University of Texas' rush, that's definitely not the case. I make no claims of any other school's rush keeping Indians out.

Drolefille 08-18-2010 10:28 PM

Maybe you're just not a pleasant person...

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1970497)
Is this sarcasm with the "them" and highlighting the notable East Indians in Kappa Delta? It reads tongue in cheek but it's hard to tell.

DeltaIVA's (I hate that username) post is dumb all by itself. When NPCers (white and nonwhite) explain, it sometimes doesn't have the effect that the NPCers planned.

I'm sorry that you dislike my username. Since I wasn't invited to be part of a greek sorority, I just improvised. If you have suggestions for a better one, I'd be open to them.

As for my post being dumb, you are of course entitled to your own opinion. If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OHNOITSJESS (Post 1970612)
Oh yaay me too :)

I would think (b.c of her user name) DeltaIVA was involved in a culturally based GLO that is pretty large at UT. I surely hope she isn't.

Congratulations on pledging Greek! I'm glad some of us are given that opportunity. No, I'm not in a culturally based GLO.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1970632)
Look at the hidden diversity of GC.

If she is, she's an idiot for crying that she was essentially rejected because of her race. We don't welcome rejects.

I know that not all schools will have the same experience with race being an issue. I'm glad that that is the case, and wasn't implying otherwise. I just am saying that in my personal experience at my school, that was a problem. I should've been more clear with my wording in my original post. And no, I am not in a culturally based sorority.

Drolefille 08-18-2010 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1971374)
Congratulations on pledging Greek! I'm glad some of us are given that opportunity. No, I'm not in a culturally based GLO.

Everyone who attends recruitment is "given that opportunity."

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn (Post 1970657)
Sorry. I guess I was too blinded by the line about the sorority with the one Indian member not being a "good one." :rolleyes:



I think Jess was referring to Delta Kappa Delta, which is a good sized Indian and South Asian sorority at Texas. Which is why I found the part of the post where she says that she doesn't know much about the Indian sororities rather strange given her user name. I pretty much assumed her posting here was a calculated move to steer Indian and other South Asian women away from NPC recruitment and into other options.

Although things have moved in the right direction, Texas' NPC sororities have a long way to go in increasing diversity. As some others mentioned, so much of our recruitment is legacy and hometown/high school/camp driven. The truth of the matter is that many women, no matter their race or any other factors, have virtually no chance of getting into many chapters. It's all about numbers.

No, I definitely wasn't trying to steer anyone away from NPC. That's why I said in my post that I didn't regret rushing and advised the girl who posted the original post of this thread to go ahead and rush if she wants to.

33girl 08-18-2010 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1971356)
Like I said, neither I nor any other Indian girl I met that I rushed with got in.

AND THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE....

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1971349)
Most of the others I spoke to dropped out because they were cut from either the "good ones" or the ones they wanted to be a part of.

IF YOU DROP OUT OF RUSH YOU WON'T GET INTO A SORORITY. (funny how that works)

Nanners52674 08-18-2010 10:38 PM

What was your GPA?

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn (Post 1970671)
Especially since her claim that Indian women are not given bids by the NPCs at Texas and there was only one Indian woman in any of the groups during rush 2008. It's just not true and I call ulterior motive on this one.


It's not ulterior motive. I'm not a part of any sorority, culturally based or not. I'm just stating my personal experience. Do you know any Indian women in a NPC sorority at UT?

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn (Post 1970725)
I just think it's odd that someone with a user name that implies association with an Indian interest sorority comes here the day before fall recruitment convocation to make one post that tells Indian women that they have no chance of getting a bid in an NPC sorority (or at least a "good" one.) Because that simply is not the truth.


There seems to be a lot of interest in my username being greek. I actually planned for my original username to be DIVA, as it's an ongoing inside joke between my friends and I about how we're in a diva sorority (Delta Iota Verve Alpha-Yes, I know Verve is made up, we didn't know if there was a Greek letter for V) since we can't be in a NPC one, but apparently that was already taken, hence DeltaIVA. I'll say it again, this is not an ulterior motive, I am not part of any other sorority, and as I said in my original post, if anybody wants to rush at UT, Indian or not, I say go for it if you want to.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OHNOITSJESS (Post 1970831)
Indeed i was :)
As far as DKD vs. DPO: DPO has more chapters and are more geographically diverse.
DKD is fairly large and pretty well known among Indians at UT, especially since they are dry (no alcohol ever) which appeals to those not looking for that scene.

With that being said,
DeltaIVA: if there is an ulterior motive, I personally know the DKD Gamma(UT) chapter president (total sweetheart), several founding alumnae, and heck chapter members. Oh and in case you are DPO, I know several alumnae with great pull and past national council members there too. Be careful as to how you come across, as i'm sure the organizations wouldn't condone this type of recruitment.

And just in case i'll save a copy of this thread.


No, there is no ulterior motive here. Like I said in my original post, I do not know much about the Indian sororities, I've just heard of them. I'm sure they're all wonderful ladies. I am not a part of either organization, nor any other sorority, and I have no doubt that they wouldn't condone recruiting like this if that were what I was doing.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alumiyum (Post 1971359)
There are many reasons to be cut, even that early, and especially during a competitive recruitment. You don't know why you were cut.

Well, hopefully that's the case. The only other reason I can think of is because I'm not from a big city, but even then I find it odd that they would cut me that early for just that reason, don't you?

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1971348)
So..... yeah. That'll keep you from joining.

Except the one. Who was in one that wasn't very good.

:rolleyes:


I agree, but I wasn't one of those who dropped. I was cut from all 13 sororities before the fourth day of rush had begun.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1971365)
Maybe you're just not a pleasant person...

Haha, this is theoretically a valid reason. However, I don't think this is the case. I was actually nominated for class favorite when I was in high school.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1971377)
Everyone who attends recruitment is "given that opportunity."

I was not-I was cut from all of the sororities. I did not drop. That's why I say that I wasn't given that opportunity.

JohnnyCash 08-18-2010 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1971407)
Haha, this is theoretically a valid reason. However, I don't think this is the case. I was actually nominated for class favorite when I was in high school.

On a scale of 1-10 how hot are you??

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1971382)
AND THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE....



IF YOU DROP OUT OF RUSH YOU WON'T GET INTO A SORORITY. (funny how that works)


I understand that. I did not drop. I was cut from all of them very early on.

Drolefille 08-18-2010 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1971402)
I agree, but I wasn't one of those who dropped. I was cut from all 13 sororities before the fourth day of rush had begun.

And you assumed it was due to your race.

I'm not saying there's never racism, but your elitism in this post has made me go with "it's not them it's you."

AZTheta 08-18-2010 10:56 PM

The following piece of information is crucial to this discussion: We do not discuss membership selection on GC; not NPC, IFC, NPHC, or any other organization's membership selection.

And, for the record, I know of several East Indian women who hold membership in NPC sororities, including my own.

Please do not shoot the messenger. Finished.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyCash (Post 1971409)
On a scale of 1-10 how hot are you??

Let's just say I'm not exactly unfortunate looking.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1971411)
And you assumed it was due to your race.

I'm not saying there's never racism, but your elitism in this post has made me go with "it's not them it's you."


Yes, I do assume it's my race. I'm not saying it couldn't just be me. I just feel like to be cut from 13 different organizations halfway through recruitment seems more than a little fishy.

DeltaIVA 08-18-2010 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta (Post 1971415)
The following piece of information is crucial to this discussion: We do not discuss membership selection on GC; not NPC, IFC, NPHC, or any other organization's membership selection.

And, for the record, I know of several East Indian women who hold membership in NPC sororities, including my own.

Please do not shoot the messenger. Finished.

I'm pleased to hear that this is the case! Don't worry, I don't intend on shooting the messenger. :) I know that a lot of schools are more than happy to let girls in as long based on qualities that don't include race. I just mean that in my personal experience at my school, I feel that I was discriminated against because of my race.

EE-BO 08-18-2010 11:02 PM

Texas is an extremely competitive school when it comes to rush. Plus, being a premier state school- and highly academically regarded nationwide- it is heavily attended by state residents- and thus naturally the children of alumni and established members of the Texas community.

Compared to other southern schools, I think Texas is actually far more "progressive" on issues of race and religion when it comes to acceptance in Greek organizations.

For a variety of historical reasons- those same patterns are reflected in successful members of the community in all senses including country club memberships and the demographics of top private schools from which many UT fraternities and sororities recruit heavily.

I graduated from college years ago (Texas actually) and I have been in the real world for quite some time.

I get what you are thinking- and it is a logical conclusion in many senses. But in this case I really do not think it applies- at least not with regards to Greek recruitment itself. For better or for worse, Greek membership at competitive schools where a large number of students come from a relatively concentrated region is an extension of the communities from which their members are drawn.

It is no mistake that southern state schools are where recruitment tends to be incredibly competitive and insular, or that expensive private schools drawing students from around the United States tend to appear more open. This is a gross generalization with many exceptions, but it is worth considering.

Drolefille 08-18-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1971407)
Haha, this is theoretically a valid reason. However, I don't think this is the case. I was actually nominated for class favorite when I was in high school.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1971418)
Yes, I do assume it's my race. I'm not saying it couldn't just be me. I just feel like to be cut from 13 different organizations halfway through recruitment seems more than a little fishy.

Yes, because no other Indians got into .. oh wait. They did, they just either dropped or joined "not as good" chapters.

Sounds like you.

epchick 08-18-2010 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA
I had a 98.9. I was in the top 4% of my graduating class.

Just like practically everyone else at UT, and probably every girl that was rushing. Your GPA and being in the Top 4% does not make you unique at that school.

knight_shadow 08-18-2010 11:26 PM

WTF is 'class favorite'?

epchick 08-18-2010 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1971433)
WTF is 'class favorite'?

It's what it sounds like. lol. It's a popularity thing. At the end of the year, the "class" (i.e senior) vote for the guy and girl who were the 'favorites' for that school year. It's a fluff award that usually goes along with the senior 'who's who' (if your school does that).

Let's be honest here, it's not like the whole freaking school votes, at my school we probably had like 20 people max vote.

Being "class favorite" does not mean you are sorority material nor that the sororities should love you. They aren't going to say "OMGZZ, you were class favorite?? You're in!"

preciousjeni 08-18-2010 11:46 PM

DeltaIVA,

There is a multi-quote feature on this board. It's directly to the right of the "Quote" button. You can use it to link a bunch of quoted posts together instead of quoting each one individually.

Also,

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1971420)
I'm pleased to hear that this is the case! Don't worry, I don't intend on shooting the messenger. :) I know that a lot of schools are more than happy to let girls in as long based on qualities that don't include race. I just mean that in my personal experience at my school, I feel that I was discriminated against because of my race.

:(

KSUViolet06 08-19-2010 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1971437)
It's what it sounds like. lol. It's a popularity thing. At the end of the year, the "class" (i.e senior) vote for the guy and girl who were the 'favorites' for that school year. It's a fluff award that usually goes along with the senior 'who's who' (if your school does that).

Let's be honest here, it's not like the whole freaking school votes, at my school we probably had like 20 people max vote.

Being "class favorite" does not mean you are sorority material nor that the sororities should love you. They aren't going to say "OMGZZ, you were class favorite?? You're in!"

We had "Most Popular." It's along the lines of "Most Likely To Succeed" and "Cutest Couple." lol.

preciousjeni 08-19-2010 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1971457)
We had "Most Popular." It's along the lines of "Most Likely To Succeed" and "Cutest Couple." lol.

Memories. We had a "Most Likely to Be in Entertainment" or something to that effect. Wouldn't you know it? The girl that got that vote ended up being a international opera singer.

agzg 08-19-2010 12:23 AM

LL please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the understanding that it was pretty common to see women cut by all 13 chapters before day 4, right?

Or is that my dirty and disgusting deferred recruitment mind being jealous of the super awesome ultra-competitive schools?


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