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RU OX Alum 02-09-2010 07:34 PM

DS, you got that Duran Duran song stuck in my head now!

DaemonSeid 02-09-2010 07:35 PM

^^^hehehehe...it's what i do.

And check this out:



James Madison guard charged with felony snowball throwing

PrettyBoy 02-09-2010 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demost (Post 1894896)
Do you have a Free Mumia shirt?

http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

DrPhil 02-09-2010 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 1895080)

LOL

Sorry, DaemonSeid.

PrettyBoy 02-09-2010 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1895083)
LOL

Sorry, again, DaemonSeid.

Why did The Predator have to have dreads, anyway? A muscular, dreadloc alien mofo. Racist. LOL.

WTF??? DAMN! http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

DrPhil 02-09-2010 10:21 PM

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PrettyBoy 02-09-2010 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quedawg (Post 1894091)
One of da bruhs just told me since it's snowing I could at least hook my man up with some boots. LOL

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Somebody please help--help...http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

Are those cowboy boots??? http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

PrettyBoy 02-09-2010 10:23 PM

DEAD!!!! http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

cheerfulgreek 02-09-2010 10:25 PM

lol
You are such an idiot! :p

DrPhil 02-09-2010 10:32 PM

Wait. http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

He has on the backpack, weapon, and boots? http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

PrettyBoy 02-09-2010 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quedawg (Post 1894089)
You look like the offspring of predator, so I couldn't resist to hook you up in photoshop and do a number on you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

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PrettyBoy 02-09-2010 10:39 PM

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I'm on my knees crying....http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

DrPhil 02-09-2010 10:43 PM

How did I miss the rest of Quedawg's posts? LOL.

PrettyBoy 02-09-2010 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1895099)
How did I miss the rest of Quedawg's posts? LOL.

That's what I said too. I just went back to see if there was more. LMAO!!! :D

DaemonSeid 02-09-2010 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1895083)
LOL

Sorry, again, DaemonSeid.

Why did The Predator have to have dreads, anyway? A muscular, dreadloc alien mofo. Racist. LOL.

And what was sad, it was bad photoshopping... ah well...

I was waiting for claws.

DrPhil 02-09-2010 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1895106)
And what was sad, it was bad photoshopping... ah well...

I was waiting for claws.

Good photoshopping means taking the joke too seriously and too far. :)

It was slap-yo-knee-funny enough.

G-Kue 1911 02-09-2010 11:06 PM

Say something else about cowboy boots...lol!

dreamseeker 02-10-2010 01:31 AM

this http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif is so damn contagious. lol

Lil' Hannah 02-10-2010 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADqtPiMel (Post 1894030)
Yeah, they are traction aids. They are basically a series of coils that wrap around the bottom of your shoe. They are awesome.

My fancy schmancy Montrail Gore-Tex shoes are hard to run in, so I bought a pair of Yak Trax last night, I'm going to try to give them a go later this afternoon. Hopefully visibillity will be better by then, everyone on the news is all "STAY IN UR GONNA DIE".

ADqtPiMel 02-10-2010 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Hannah (Post 1895290)
My fancy schmancy Montrail Gore-Tex shoes are hard to run in, so I bought a pair of Yak Trax last night, I'm going to try to give them a go later this afternoon. Hopefully visibillity will be better by then, everyone on the news is all "STAY IN UR GONNA DIE".

I've found that they work best on packed snow -- when I ran in them during SNOWMAGEDDON II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO I ran in the middle of the road where a couple of cars had packed down the snow. It's really hard to run in these drifts. The YakTrax seem to work best in the few days after a snowstorm where there's complete ground cover that's been smooshed down a bit.

DrPhil 02-10-2010 10:44 AM

6 more inches
6 more inches
6 more inches, Dougie Fresh you're on!
uh uh on!
uh uh on!
ononon uh uh on!

Lil' Hannah 02-10-2010 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADqtPiMel (Post 1895322)
I've found that they work best on packed snow -- when I ran in them during SNOWMAGEDDON II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO I ran in the middle of the road where a couple of cars had packed down the snow. It's really hard to run in these drifts. The YakTrax seem to work best in the few days after a snowstorm where there's complete ground cover that's been smooshed down a bit.

Noted. I'm way behind on my training for the Cherry Blossom 10 Miler because I let my gym membership lapse and I'm only running outside now.

I'm going to walk to the grocery store now, despite Topper Shutt's recommendations to stay inside. Hopefully they're open.

ADqtPiMel 02-10-2010 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Hannah (Post 1895344)
Noted. I'm way behind on my training for the Cherry Blossom 10 Miler because I let my gym membership lapse and I'm only running outside now.

I'm going to walk to the grocery store now, despite Topper Shutt's recommendations to stay inside. Hopefully they're open.

Same here -- cancelled the gym membership in September because the only reason I would use a treadmill is because it's snowing, and it never snows here. Right. Luckily I haven't gotten too far behind on training (running the Shamrock Marathon in VA Beach in March) -- I've just switched weeks around and whatnot so the snowstorms have coincided with rest weeks.

Last night my husband snarled at the TV, "I hate you Topper Shutt! I don't even CARE what your real name is!"

VandalSquirrel 02-10-2010 04:34 PM

I've been lauding the YakTracks (and their variations) on GC for years. They do work better on more glaciated snow and ice, and if the drifts are high I have my snowshoes on.

My only righteous indignancy about people complaining about the snow is that other than travel it isn't unreasonable to keep enough food and water on hand for a week for emergencies. I grew up in San Francisco (no snow) and have had that set up my whole life due to earth quakes. I have my camping gear in the event my home is demolished, but are people just not prepared for emergencies? I know the roads suck but are complaints about roads related to getting to the store and what not, wouldn't the lack of infrastructure for clearing roads be lessened if people stayed the hell home so roads could be cleared quicker, which is what we do here or people clear roads on their own.

Yeah, I'm not making Idaho look good about cuckoo survivalists but honestly, emergency preparedness is a good idea.

AGDee 02-10-2010 05:11 PM

I think the problem with these huge snowfalls in DC is that they don't have the equipment to deal with it. For them to get two 20" snow falls in the course of a week is a "100 year" event. I don't think they have the kinds of plowing equipment and staff that we have here in Detroit. Some jobs don't allow you to stay home (when I worked in the hospital, for example) so you have to get through it somehow, getting stuck often, etc. People don't know how to drive in it because they don't have that experience. Shoot, even here, when it was snowing to beat the band last night on my drive home, people were driving way too fast and spinning out all over the place. White knuckling it, watching others spinning out and trying to avoid them for two hours is stressful.

Two 20" snow falls in that short a time period would really hurt us, in even in the Detroit area. When we had 30" fall in 48 hours time in 1999, some streets in the city proper weren't plowed for two weeks. They didn't deliver mail in all that time.

You also have power, cable and phone outages at a time when it's really cold. Then pipes burst, etc. I don't know that their roofs are built to handle the weight of that kind of snow either! Their trees aren't used to it either so their branches don't hold up the same way that trees in the north do. It's a very unusual event for them. For the people in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, it's business as usual under those conditions!

honeychile 02-10-2010 05:24 PM

You know that the feral cats are starving when they can walk on top of roughly 28" of snow! There are tiny little paw prints on top of the one corner. That, and they yell at you - Miaow! I think that means, "I'm going to get into that house if I have to break a window!" in cat. They did like having their kibble microwaved, though.

I'm just sick to death of it. I expect this in other places, but not here. I can't even get to my own house to get the mail. :(

knight_shadow 02-10-2010 05:37 PM

Snow related
 
Students displaced due to potential roof collapse at TKE house

Residents in the Tau Kappa Epsilon house have been displaced, after the roof of their townhouse on 22nd street showed early warning signs of collapse, a University spokeswoman said Wednesday.

“A resident of the TKE townhouse noticed the roof collapsing and called 911,” said University spokeswoman Michelle Sherrard in an e-mail. “MPD determined the house was unsafe and needed to be evacuated.”

Sherrard said the four residents of the townhouse have been relocated to Guthridge Hall and that GW Facilities Management and the University Police Department conducted additional safety sweeps of the properties at 619 and 617 22nd Streets and determined they were safe.

Pete Piringer, public information officer for the D.C. Fire Department, said the TKE house was marked as unsafe to occupy after the Fire Department on scene said the roof had been compromised and appeared to be in danger of collapse.


http://blogs.gwhatchet.com/newsroom/...-at-tke-house/

Munchkin03 02-10-2010 05:45 PM

Everyone's been hysterical. OMGWTFSNOOOOOOOOOOW!

I'm at work. I've been at work since 8:40 this morning. No early dismissal; the people who couldn't get in (the commuter rails are closing early tonight and buses are cancelled) took PTO or vacation time. The snow is coming down pretty steadily and has been since 8 last night.

My father called me several times this morning. He was surprised when I told him that I was at work and didn't intend on leaving until 5:30. I'm trying to finagle an invite to the boyfriend's house for the overnight. He (my father) didn't like the idea of that. LOL.

I'm just annoyed that I can't run.

southbymidwest 02-10-2010 05:48 PM

It's not the food and water. It's the kids at home from school for a week, inside, because they can't do much with 30" of snow with an glaze of ice on top. Hard to make a snowman/snowwoman in that kind of stuff. They can't get to their friends' houses either. And this is for the first snowstorm. Does not include the additional 6" today.

It's the losing power for 2 days and the nighttime temps dropping to 9 degrees.

It's your subdivision not being plowed for FIVE days.

It's worrying about the in-laws and begging the father-in-law to not shovel the damn sidewalk because the ambulance can't get through if he has a cardiac event or falls. The best they can do is get to the nearest plowed road and walk in with their equipment, once again, in 30 inches of snow. It's worrying about your elderly neighbor who has the same issue.

It's knowing that you have contracts and deadlines at work that you can't get to, and the deadlines don't change because of the snow. And because of their classification, you couldnt take that work home.

IT's watching HGTV all day because you are so sick of the local news pre-empting regular programming except for prime time and seeing reporters at Tyson's Corner, Bethesda, DC and Arlington talking about the snow plows getting stuck, and how bad the snow is, and how cold they are, blah, blah, blah.(OK, on that one, I could turn off the TV...).

It's worrying about your own husband, who is not willing to deal with the fact that he is not 30 years old any more shoveling the snow.

It is the cabin fever.

It is dealing with 55 inches of snow already this winter, with more to come next week when we normally get umm, 6 inches, maybe? a winter.

IT is the few idiot drivers who don't know how to drive in snow and are completely unprepared. Even if they are on a plowed road. (NO NO NO DON'T PUT ON YOUR BRAKES GOING UP THIS HILL!!)

It is missing my daughter in college who was supposed to come home this weekend for the first time since Christmas.

It's seeing flat-roofed structures (like airplane hangers at Dulles and firehouses) pancake under the weight of the snow.

It's being irritated with people who can't understand why we DC'ers can't buck up. BTW, people DID stay off the roads. Big dozers and dumptruck plows had to plow, re-plow, and re-plow again the same main roads, trying to keep up with the snowfall and even they got stuck. VA Dept of Transportation plowing contractors couldnt help out much-many of their trucks are too small to move 30" of wet snow, or can't clear it. A F150 or 350 with a plow on front is no match for this snow. Neither is a bobcat until a big plow has gone through.And then the amount of time it takes to plow a street is double/triple the regular amount of time it usually takes. A lot of them got stuck, blocking the road and created another problem. AAUUGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

OK, I will now get off my rant box. Thank you.

Gusteau 02-10-2010 08:38 PM

You know its bad when you get yet another snow day and everyone says, "Ugh, again?"

VandalSquirrel 02-10-2010 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southbymidwest (Post 1895491)
It's not the food and water. It's the kids at home from school for a week, inside, because they can't do much with 30" of snow with an glaze of ice on top. Hard to make a snowman/snowwoman in that kind of stuff. They can't get to their friends' houses either. And this is for the first snowstorm. Does not include the additional 6" today.

It's the losing power for 2 days and the nighttime temps dropping to 9 degrees.

It's your subdivision not being plowed for FIVE days.

It's worrying about the in-laws and begging the father-in-law to not shovel the damn sidewalk because the ambulance can't get through if he has a cardiac event or falls. The best they can do is get to the nearest plowed road and walk in with their equipment, once again, in 30 inches of snow. It's worrying about your elderly neighbor who has the same issue.

It's knowing that you have contracts and deadlines at work that you can't get to, and the deadlines don't change because of the snow. And because of their classification, you couldnt take that work home.

IT's watching HGTV all day because you are so sick of the local news pre-empting regular programming except for prime time and seeing reporters at Tyson's Corner, Bethesda, DC and Arlington talking about the snow plows getting stuck, and how bad the snow is, and how cold they are, blah, blah, blah.(OK, on that one, I could turn off the TV...).

It's worrying about your own husband, who is not willing to deal with the fact that he is not 30 years old any more shoveling the snow.

It is the cabin fever.

It is dealing with 55 inches of snow already this winter, with more to come next week when we normally get umm, 6 inches, maybe? a winter.

IT is the few idiot drivers who don't know how to drive in snow and are completely unprepared. Even if they are on a plowed road. (NO NO NO DON'T PUT ON YOUR BRAKES GOING UP THIS HILL!!)

It is missing my daughter in college who was supposed to come home this weekend for the first time since Christmas.

It's seeing flat-roofed structures (like airplane hangers at Dulles and firehouses) pancake under the weight of the snow.

It's being irritated with people who can't understand why we DC'ers can't buck up. BTW, people DID stay off the roads. Big dozers and dumptruck plows had to plow, re-plow, and re-plow again the same main roads, trying to keep up with the snowfall and even they got stuck. VA Dept of Transportation plowing contractors couldnt help out much-many of their trucks are too small to move 30" of wet snow, or can't clear it. A F150 or 350 with a plow on front is no match for this snow. Neither is a bobcat until a big plow has gone through.And then the amount of time it takes to plow a street is double/triple the regular amount of time it usually takes. A lot of them got stuck, blocking the road and created another problem. AAUUGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

OK, I will now get off my rant box. Thank you.

I was just raised to plan for emergencies and have plans for events like these. I live in a snow area and I'm prepared for any disaster, up to and including not having shelter in freezing temperatures and having to live outdoors. I'm a single woman only responsible for myself and if I had kids, a spouse, pets, whatever I'd have a plan in place for the apocalypse (and thankfully my Mormon neighbors do too ;) ). I realize it is frustrating to have life disrupted but I grew up in a city in a temperate climate, and now live in a rural area and really have no faith in anyone looking out for me, but me.

I'm getting at what would people do if the power went out on a Friday night or roads were closed for landslides or some sort of terrorist threat. I'm not saying my life would be OMG awesome but I'd be able to handle my daily needs and if people can get on line, watch cable tv, and spend some quality time with their families (or help neighbors with snow removal) is it really that bad in the grand scheme of things? I really think it is because I live in a smaller rural community that this just isn't a big deal, and with the extra snow we've had I knew which neighbors to check on and those of us who couldn't get to work just pitched in as a community to shovel and plow, check in on neighbors, and get shit done.

I really am a crazy survivalist Idahoan, dammit.

KSigkid 02-10-2010 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1895488)
Everyone's been hysterical. OMGWTFSNOOOOOOOOOOW!

Yeah, it has been kind of interesting to watch how crazy people have been about it.

When I was living in Boston we got something like 20-25 inches (may have been 2004/2005). The city shut down for a couple of days, but I don't remember the "end of times" craziness, and it's not like we're used to getting that level of snow in New England.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADqtPiMel (Post 1895322)
I've found that they work best on packed snow -- when I ran in them during SNOWMAGEDDON II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO I ran in the middle of the road where a couple of cars had packed down the snow. It's really hard to run in these drifts. The YakTrax seem to work best in the few days after a snowstorm where there's complete ground cover that's been smooshed down a bit.

For some reason I've never been able to run in snow. I'm way too un-coordinated.

tri deezy 02-10-2010 09:41 PM

Not to turn too political, but I have a small thing to share because a few people on facebook have made some misinformed comments. There was also an unbearably misinformed ad that the VA GOP put out. Just absolutely nothing based on fact in it whatsoever. So as an environmentalist, I must share these:

Here: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr..._disprove.html

here: http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...962294,00.html

and here: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010...o-rebuttal.php

The end.

KSigkid 02-10-2010 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel (Post 1895565)
I was just raised to plan for emergencies and have plans for events like these. I live in a snow area and I'm prepared for any disaster, up to and including not having shelter in freezing temperatures and having to live outdoors. I'm a single woman only responsible for myself and if I had kids, a spouse, pets, whatever I'd have a plan in place for the apocalypse (and thankfully my Mormon neighbors do too ;) ). I realize it is frustrating to have life disrupted but I grew up in a city in a temperate climate, and now live in a rural area and really have no faith in anyone looking out for me, but me.

I'm getting at what would people do if the power went out on a Friday night or roads were closed for landslides or some sort of terrorist threat. I'm not saying my life would be OMG awesome but I'd be able to handle my daily needs and if people can get on line, watch cable tv, and spend some quality time with their families (or help neighbors with snow removal) is it really that bad in the grand scheme of things? I really think it is because I live in a smaller rural community that this just isn't a big deal, and with the extra snow we've had I knew which neighbors to check on and those of us who couldn't get to work just pitched in as a community to shovel and plow, check in on neighbors, and get shit done.

I really am a crazy survivalist Idahoan, dammit.

Eh, people have to deal with it in other areas too. I get what you and AGDee are saying about your areas, where you get a TON of snow. But, it's not like areas like New England and the Northeast (save for maybe the high altitude areas of NH and ME) get double digits all that often. You just kind of deal with things like losing power, having nights without heat, and all the damage/destruction that goes with it.

VandalSquirrel 02-10-2010 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1895566)
Yeah, it has been kind of interesting to watch how crazy people have been about it.

When I was living in Boston we got something like 20-25 inches (may have been 2004/2005). The city shut down for a couple of days, but I don't remember the "end of times" craziness, and it's not like we're used to getting that level of snow in New England.



For some reason I've never been able to run in snow. I'm way too un-coordinated.

Maybe it is the type of snow you're trying to run in? If it is packed down yaktraks work, if it is fluffy drifts you can run in snow shoes. I love hoofing it in snow shoes through giant drifts and making paths on the sidewalks before other people go out. It reminds me of running in sand if you get the right style of snow shoe.

KSigkid 02-10-2010 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tri deezy (Post 1895567)
Not to turn too political, but I have a small thing to share because a few people on facebook have made some misinformed comments. There was also an unbearably misinformed ad that the VA GOP put out. Just absolutely nothing based on fact in it whatsoever. So as an environmentalist, I must share these:

Here: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr..._disprove.html

here: http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...962294,00.html

and here: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010...o-rebuttal.php

The end.

This seems to be a popular topic for the anti-global warming crowd. People were talking about it when it snowed during the UN Climate Change Conference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel (Post 1895571)
Maybe it is the type of snow you're trying to run in? If it is packed down yaktraks work, if it is fluffy drifts you can run in snow shoes. I love hoofing it in snow shoes through giant drifts and making paths on the sidewalks before other people go out. It reminds me of running in sand if you get the right style of snow shoe.

Maybe, although I honestly think it has more to do with my awkward running style. I'm a decent endurance runner (or at least I used to be, able to do 10+ miles pretty easily), but I don't exactly have a fundamentally-correct running style. Ask KSigRC, he's been witness to it.

VandalSquirrel 02-10-2010 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1895569)
Eh, people have to deal with it in other areas too. I get what you and AGDee are saying about your areas, where you get a TON of snow. But, it's not like areas like New England and the Northeast (save for maybe the high altitude areas of NH and ME) get double digits all that often. You just kind of deal with things like losing power, having nights without heat, and all the damage/destruction that goes with it.

Growing up in earthquake country with parents from snow country really drove the "we have to fend for ourselves!!!!" mentality. Oh and Girl Scouts, I learned a lot about survival and outdoor living conditions from Girl Scouts.

Natural disasters can happen anywhere at any time, and I and definitely ready to handle it and a lot of that is my background, current place of residence, and socialization skills in my community. Not having to work or go to school and staying home, even without power would be a dream!

KSUViolet06 02-10-2010 09:50 PM

The OMGWTFBBQSNOW hysteria reached Ohio this week.

Drives me nuts. People are acting as if we are in LA and have never seen it before.

Just make sure you have enough food and stuff to last for a couple of days and chill out.

PS. Stay off of the roads if you are scared. Please.


cheerfulgreek 02-10-2010 10:18 PM

We got quite a bit of snow, but nothing like people were saying we were going to get, and the roads look great.

VandalSquirrel 02-10-2010 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1895592)
We got quite a bit of snow, but nothing like people were saying we were going to get, and the roads look great.

We have no snow this year, I am so glad I bought a new coat, pants, and boots for all the skiing I am not doing. I left the tags on the pants and I'll return them to REI since they are generous with their return policy.


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