I wont. I'll even sign a wiaver.

Why are you bringing me into this? What odds are you talking about? The lyrics are what they are. I provided them and my interpretation of them. No help necessary for that.

Simply because, in this 'back-and-forth,' you and DS seemed aligned.

And we all thank you for your service, not only to the thread but to lovers of tautology near and far. However, I believe your interpretation is unnecessarily narrow, perhaps intentionally so to dodge the assertions in the OP.

Also, your assertions here are a gross mischaracterization of lines like "I guess will.i.am and Oprah weren't on your Christmas card list" for what that's worth.

My interpretation wasn't intentionally narrow. I listened to the verse once and made my assesment from it. Could it have multiple meanings? Yes. I am well aware of that. I did not take it to mean that all white people are liars. Thus I did not take it to be a racist statement. I gave my reason.

How are my assertions a gross mischaracterization? Are you sure you understood my assertions?

I agree with the second portion (it's not 'racist' under any reasonable definition) completely.

I do think it's more broad than your interpretation - Bush is an example of lies from whites/the white establishment - but all's fair otherwise.

Of course I'm not sure I understood. However, it was clearly beyond giving your interpretation of the song.

I think, therefore, I am.
 

Tautology always revs my engine. Hubba hubba.

The 2nd comment about Will.I.Am and Oprah was basically an example of two celebs who have used their celeb status to impact politics recently (probably could've given one from each side but I didnt think it necessary). I completely understand being against that because they're not experts they're just regular people who have undue influence.

lmao Any other time someone who has a "drop" of black blood is considered to be black. Now people suddenly want to change that.

As far as the hip hop relevancy in politics...

How about Public Enemy's "Fear of a Black Planet"? LOL...


Dr. AKA_Monet Musings... LOL... :rolleyes:

;)

Hmmm...and I wonder how that "Vote or Die" thing came along a few years back.


Heh...thus the ONE DROP rule....

We can't keep nuffin' !

This is the dude who puts up w/ Beyonce's shit on a daily, right?

That's what I thought.

No.....

P Diddy, Pufy Combs, Puff Daddy,remember?

which name is he going under now anyways?



Forgot all about these little ditties

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubMQkPzc0Fs


From: Propaganda

Because I don't believe a word of what the president said
He filling our head with lies got us hypnotised
When he be speaking in code words about crime and poverty
Drugs, welfare, prisons, guns and robbery
It really means us, there's no excuse for the slander
But what's good for the goose, is still good for the gander

- Dead Prez

SERIOUSLY. Stop thinking every person's response is directed at you. 33 was referring to Jay-Z.

Stop acting like you're better than everyone else. If you don't like the way people think or think they are racist, then INFORM. But don't inform in an assholish manner. Replying rudely, changing things around that someone says, not reading their entire post, and assuming that everyone's posts are directed at you are not going to get your goal accomplished... although I'm not sure what your goal is exactly, but it you're coming across as the angry black man. Yes. I said it. You've thrown out racial insults (calling TexasWSP a cracker) and have just been completely rude.

I remember LibraSoul from when I first came to the boards. She didn't get all pissy when something came out of white person's mouth (keyboard). She instead took her knowledge of her culture and taught people.

Bottom line, if you think someone is "ignorant", then try to teach them, instead of perpetuating stereotypes. The way you've been replying to people isn't going to get them to listen (read) what you have to say. And you've been doing it all over this forum.

Is that what his reply was about? I had no idea what he was talking about.

So? :confused: Must you find an example of a minority and make that person the "model minority?" Were you afraid the point couldn't be conveyed without that?

This is as dumb as calling you the deceptively unassuming white woman (assuming you're white). You're being a hypocrite. Yes. I said it.

33? Jay-Z is married to Beyonce right? That's what SHE (lol not he) was talking about. Or were you talking about DS?

No. I just thought I'd throw the example in there. I learned a lot from her. Racial discussions will never be civil unless both parties can listen to each other. It's hard to listen and learn from someone when they're telling you to "slow your roll" and other insults. I'm not asking for peach on earth good will to man on GC, but the way DS is going about things, people are always gona go on the defense with him.

Thanks. You beat me to it and probably said it better than I could.

33girl established her womanhood years ago.

Then spare us your "token" rhetoric. Mmmmkay?

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?


Just saying...

I sense that the cliches might need to come out soon...

^^^

Por ejemplo:

How about you get your head out of your ass and RESEARCH if you're so ignorant?

I COULD explain but you wouldn't get it and I'd be wasting my procrastination time.

I'm an angry black man and you're an ugly black man. Even?

LAST WORD.

Does anyone else think that we've all gotten a little more... I don't know... venomous about our posting lately?

Maybe we all have the SADs. I'm picking up on that Chicago. I shop at the Jewels. And sometimes I go to the Home Depots.

Hey clown..guess what...I knew what the HELL she was talking about.

I am soooooo excited to understand how in fuck's sake you managed to read "RUDE" in that comment I made to HER.

I was replying TO HER...NOT to you.

YOU...I reply RUDE to....don't mistake that to how I REPLY TO HER.

That was an A and B comment that YOU need to C your way out of before your dumb ass tries to TRANSLATE in what form and fashion I REPLY to.

What? Do I need to leave lil' :( :) so your slow fat ass knows what mood my replies might be in?


and I wasn't being rude to her...at all...you hateful lil' ASS-U-MING shrew. ** middle finger**

And your non working ass has nerve to talk about someone's replies...get a fucking MIRROR, stone thrower!

:eek:

Your question was answered.

Now....that's me being rude and uncivilized.....you want a do over?

** in my calm but even voice***


Think about your next response and I may civilize my next post

When you think someone is displaying symptoms of DUMB, the last thing you need to do is think you're going to preach or that you're going to force that person to appeal to a "higher calling."

LOL. FAIL.

What is an angry black man? :confused:

She doesn't know...she's just saying some shit she heard while hangin' wit' da homies...

ANGRY BLACK MAN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URyJ8gvSN8E

lmao


I hear this term so much...I would love a definition.

I wish I could remember the exact quote but Dr. Michael Eric Dyson summed it up best...

**paraphrasing**

Why is it when a white man questions America on its polices he is considered insightful and thought provoking but when he is a black man he is considered to be angry?

Interesting...while looking for the exact quote (If I can find it) I ran across this:

http://www.michaelericdyson.com/deba...ebate.php?id=3

Found it:

"Why is it when blacks express harsh but honest views on America, they are called angry, ungrateful, and unpatriotic but when nonblacks express harsh but honest views on America, they are called critical and reflective." Dr. Michael Eric Dyson

Hmmm this looks like this will be my new siggy

As long as you don't think that it pertains to all of your posts.

I've been called, and assumed, worse in this forum. I know my thoughts and beliefs. No matter what I say, you all will keep assuming that I am racist, dumb, ignorant, etc.



When DS has said worse to people and no one got up in arms about it, I really could care less. But who cares when a black man calls a white man a cracker.

You didn't know what the hell she was talking about. She responded with a comment about Jay-Z. You responded telling her no and sarcastically asking if she's ever heard of Puffy Daddywhatever.

Did I say you were rude to her? Which you kind of were, but I was referring to your rudeness all around the boards. And guess what? As dumb as I sound, your replies seem just as stupid. You constantly twist what people say and, like I've said 100 times in this thread, you don't read people's entire posts. Then you go back and edit yours once you've been called out.

If you want an A and B conversation, take it to private messages. Pretty sure these boards are public. You are WRONG there CLOWN.

Slow fat ass. Ha. Now we're resulting to physical insults? Sweet. Where's the honkey reference? You've already used cracker. Come on. You know you wana say it. I am not hateful. I could say the same about you, but it'd be ok. Because it's ok for minorities to use white slurs, right?

What does my non-working ass have to do with anything? Let's see what happens when your family starts getting laid off. Because, like I've said before, it's real cool to make fun of that when it's happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

I'm choosing not to reply to you anymore. You are absolutely ridiculous and will find any words or thoughts to twist and belittle someone. I know what I am and I know who I am and I will NOT let you make me out to be something I'm not... racist.

OH and there is nothing wrong with Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, whoever having views about America. But it is VERY unpatriotic to think it's ok when someone throws a shoe at your President, or when a crowd of 2 million boo your President. It doesn't matter if you hated him or loved him. I disliked him because I am now one of those people feeling the affects of his actions. But he was still our President. And there is no reason why it is ok to boo him especially when our country was celebrating getting someone new in office.

I don't assume ANYONE is racist because I don't consider PEOPLE to be racist. You'd know that if you read my posts about racism.

This is totally based on what you say. You aren't a cyber rockstar so your "reputation" doesn't precede you, as far as I'm concerned.

Ha, the noive! ;)

I don't consider myself a cyber rockstar. I know I've said things that sounded wrong. It's when people twist my words that really pisses me off, which I shouldn't let it bother me since my words are out there for others to read and come up with their own conclusions.

Okay. I forgot what the point is this discourse is, so nevermind.

ETA: Oh I remember. You seem to think that you are being targeted for misunderstandings and attack such that no matter what you say, it will be per/received negatively. I can only speak for myself because I didn't even know what you were talking about when you said you and I used to not get along on here.

Dude, she suffers from PREJUDISM. That's all there is. She's PREJUDIST. She hates the b-dubs or whatever she calls black people.

I like Jay-Z's line the best about flying private jets down to Turks and Caicos and how his Benz is paid fo. That's all the relevance he has in my life.

From top to bottom shall we?

1. You responded telling her no and sarcastically asking if she's ever heard of Puffy Daddywhatever.

and I ask you again, you picked all of that up HOW in one sentence. You. DON'T. KNOW.

You THINK you know only based on the attitude I take with you and your lil cronies. You cant take that ASSumption and apply that across the board. Point is you have no clue at to what my tone is, you have no way of taking that less than 1 paragraph and definitively say with 100% proof, that I was being sarcastic or whatever. I guess it never occurred to you to ask or at least seeing where I was coming from before you just let your id do the talking for you. For the record, 33girl is actually cool peeps in my book and as some of us would like to say in da 'hood... "You all in the Kool Aid and don't know the flavor"....you just thought you would get cool points by butting in and blurting some shyte out and BAM you 'Da Woman that put DS in his place'

Heh good luck with that hon.

2. Slow fat ass. Ha. Now we're resulting to physical insults? Sweet. Where's the honkey reference?

What does my non-working ass have to do with anything?

As dumb as I sound (** glad to see that you admit to something**)



Oh. Did I hurt your feelings? Didn't like the fact that shoe was on the other foot? That someone came out swinging at you for no reason?

I responded to you because you flat out didn't have a need to butt into what I was replying to her.

Fact is, the only reason WHY you do this because whatever else you have going on, you still have a need to compensate and validate yourself with your cronies...

OOO LOOK AT ME, I CAN CLOWN DS! (Please refer back to #1 and re read to this point enough times for it to sink in)

So. what?

Have you not learned? Well actually your saying that you won't reply to me means you are finally seeing the light....You already admitted to me that I annoy the f*ck out of you YET, you STILL post...even tonight YOU STILL REPLY to me, If you KNOW each and every time you reply there is going to be confrontation, WHY are you still coming back? WHY do you still reply to me? If I found someone annoying I don't keep running back, ESPECIALLY WHEN I DON'T HAVE TO, for more aggravation. That's just masochistic if you ask me

And your non working-ness...it's simply your Achilles heel...you told me so...I exploited it

(I feel like a villain giving a monologue but you wasn't getting it so I will continue)

And yes we are pots calling each other black (I'm just blacker than you, heh **I must add for your clarification, that was not sarcasm**) but you can't sit there playing the innocent victim when you are JUST as guilty at dishing it out, you just found someone that doesn't mind throwing it back at you 10 fold, now you need to deal with it.

Or maybe you forgot Ass of Jack a few nights ago?

I don't recall the other night using an expletive at you yet, you did with me so now if you are offended, welcome....

As far as racial epithets? Not needed...I don't know what you look like....hell you could be as alien as Jabba the Hutt for all I know, I work with what I got. You sensitive enough already without me adding your racial issues to your burden.

3. I'm choosing not to reply to you anymore.

If you are smart, add me to your ignore list and that can save you a lot of headaches....you also may want to avoid any threads I create too.


4. And there is no reason why it is ok to boo him especially when our country was celebrating getting someone new in office.


Oh...NOW you want to have civil discourse....after everything else you said in that post, you a lil late for that one aren't you?

Ok...fine that you feel that way BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOU. Point blank...no need in going further, my opinion won't change on that one.

4a. Me calling TexasWSP a cracker...I was making a point to him which he abundantly got and he and I have moved on...I suggest you do the same.


Done here...nothing more to see...save yourself the headache and stop trying. Save yourself the headache of trying to be cool in front of your friends by trying to clown me because you ain't doing nothing more than clowning yourself.

Good night and try not to stay up too late wracking your brains for a reply.

DS

LOOOOOOOOOL

I seriously can't get over this - so good. So so good. I cannot believe people still say that. So. Good.