Always fun talking politics with you DS. You say your peace and then get fired up and mock anyone who dares disagree with you.

It's a shame, because you're one of the smarter posters on here, and you make some great points in a lot of threads.

believe me, I am not fired up.

I'm not even rattled.

Actually I am surprised that so many of you here are stunned that there are people who aren't all that pressed about what happened to Bush.

And me mocking PhiGam?

All in a day's work.

I think he loves the abuse, which is why he keeps trying his best to dish it out.

Just say a few sentences and he devolves instantly to name calling.

I believe your perception may be off.

I don't give a [BLEEPIN' BLEEP]!!! [BLEEP] them!!! [BLEEP], [BLEEP], [BLEEP] Mother [BLEEP] them!!! ;)

I'm gonna tell you like my crazy uncle told the IRS:

I am 70-something years old. Ill... Unemployed, broke and have inoperable cancer... If the government wants to show up and put me in prison, and have the taxpayers pay for $80,000 for cancer treatment to take care of me, then come on, I would be more than happy to comply...

The IRS never called again...

AH well wouldn't be the first time... but if the shoe fits...heh!

But I guarantee you it's not off by much!

AKA Monet...did I tell u that you are my hero?

HA!HA!

Just because it is considered offensive, doesn't mean that the SS should have everyone take off their shoes. All those journalists were searched several times---and they all didn't know that President Bush was going to be at the conference.

The SS was there but I serioulsy doubt they would have EVER thought shoes would have been thrown at the POTUS. In fact, a couple SS men went up to protect Pres Bush & he waved them off.


Here is an article about the lack of SS:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20...latchy/3124049

The SS job is part of the protocol, customs and culture of the area as directed by the President. They advise him of the appropriateness of SOME duties he upholds.

Sure, they may have not know that anyone would hurl shoes at the US president. But they should have know that doing so is of great insult as seen in Arab-culture. That is why some credentials are checked.

Now, we are not talking about a country with decades old fully functional, established constitution with branches of government... We are talking about a very unstable questionable government that is supported by the United States at this time. If we are supporting it, then, the Detail and anyone else deemed essential would want to be looking at EVERYBODY'S credentials and possible "plant" who they wanted there and refused letting anyone else in there just for the photo op. Yeah, I said it. Our US government does that...

That is the job of the SECRET Service and any other intelligence agency of the USA. I know folks who do work for these agencies and let's just say, some stuff is well within their control...

This incident, should have been. To play stupid means someone failed somewhere. That fool needs to lose their job because of this... Or they aren't in charge of checking plants in meetings with the POTUS, etc...

Cuz if he let that looney tune into this meeting hurling shoes at our Leader, who else is he letting in?

That's like me asking for $50 dollars worth of circus tickets... LOL...

This may be your weirdest post yet.

You haven't learned yet have you? The smartest thing for you to do to keep from being in these 'wierd' debates with me may be for you to NOT respond to me, right? Try it one day.

Me? Some days I simply enjoy rattling your cage.

(Hint: Calling folks retarded or FUCKED UP as you put it because their emotions don't match yours or telling someone exactly how pissed off you are at thier opinions just makes it even easier and might be a sign that you have too much vested in a conversation over some shyte that really doesn't affect you and thus may be a sign for you to exit.)

Moving right along....the shoe thrower may ONLY get 2 years in jail...imagine that...the ULTIMATE insult gets nominal jail time...


BAGHDAD – The journalist who threw his shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush was handed over to the Iraqi military, an Iraqi official said, as hundreds took to the streets Tuesday for a second day demanding his release.

Muntadhar al-Zeidi was turned over by the prime minister's security guards to face further investigation by the military command in charge of enforcing security in Baghdad, the official told The Associated Press.

Al-Zeidi was initially taken into custody by Iraqi security and interrogated about whether anybody had paid him to throw his shoes at Bush during a news conference Sunday in Baghdad, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

He could face charges of insulting a foreign leader and the Iraqi prime minister, who was standing next to Bush. The offense carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081216/..._mi_ea/ml_iraq

Next Pres that travels to the middle east...press conferences will be held with members of the news corp butt naked....

I meant to get back to you on this point yesterday.

While I agree with you in theory, I disagree with the principle in real life situations as sometimes (not all) it sets a dangerous precedent in turning a blind eye towards things. It's almost akin to hearing a mother scream 'NOT MY CHILD, HE IS AN INNOCENT BOY' after he has killed 10 people in cold blood because mama turned a blind eye to his illegal activites all these year as it was going on in plain sight.

Now...Bush may be the US representing us, he may be our leader...but when you are talking about family as you state in the adage, then, (at least what I would do at any rate) let's ask George... "What did you do to piss those people off that they are throwing shoes at you?" "Why do they hate you so much?"

I don't believe in letting family off the hook that much especially when you know and see that they are wrong.

Sometimes the best that you can do for fams is to let them hang for a while and hope they learn the lesson.

We plainly heard from George himself that initially he didn't think it was a big deal and that he was too ignorant to realize exactly what kind of insult was literally hurled at him.

Now hopefully having it explained to him he understands.

Now maybe after knowing that so many citizens disagree with this war and the waste of lives and money it has produced and the unrest that it has caused, and that MANY of them wants the US to leave them the hell alone, why some of us see that shoe as a wake up call.

And I agree with AKA Monet...why the hell was he there in the first place? Why was our president in the middle of a warzone (not literally before some of you take it there!) where someone could have just as easily have shot him as opposed to simply throwing a shoe in the first place?

If you purposefully put yourself in harm's way, then yes, something is bound to happen!

See, that's where you fucked up.

At least you recognize that you always have to have the last word. Even if it's wrong. :rolleyes:

The shoe-thrower was beaten in custody. Link is to BBC news.

Nice democracy we're building over there.

Nothing I haven't said before, some people just refuse to listen.

How so? She asked a valid question.

One that NO ONE here has bothered to answer.

WHY WAS Bush in Iraq?

Gloating at his handiwork!

While you all are so busy being pissed off at me, look back in history?

Has any president EVER gone INTO (on many occasions) a warzone?

Has any of our presidents traveled to Vietnam while fighting was going on?

Did our presidents go to Germany while fighting was going on?

Hell did Bush SENIOR go to Iraq while in office?

If I am wrong then folks, by all means please correct me, but I do not recall ever off the top of my head any of our presidents traveling INTO an area in which we were actively engaged in a war except this one and someone wants to know why and you think it's a bad question?

Bruh, please.

I am still waiting to see the memo that the Iraqi people sent that asked us to bring them a nice piping hot mug of democracy to them along with a 6 pack of religious and cultural tolerance...hehe. I won't hold my breath.

Your slip is showing.

heh...why you looking?

Your shoes are untied.

Americans who celebrate Bush having shoes thrown at him are like kids on a playground. It's great to critize this country and our leaders but to laugh at others' disdain is extremely shortsighted. It isn't just a personal attack on Bush, it is an attack on a symbol of America.

It's an attack that Obama-oh-great-symbol-of-change isn't immune from if his policies don't bring about the joy and cheer that people assume that they will. Or if change doesn't come tomorrow like a lot of people are expecting from Obama. Will it be funny then?

Bush was in Iraq as a surprise-surprise final visit. That's the public explanation for it. Whatever the case, he's still OUR POTUS regardless of how some of you think about him and his presidency. Remember that presidents don't operate independently so to hate Bush you should also have a general dislike for bipartisan politics, power capitalism, and the many pieces to the puzzle that got us where we are now.

1. On another note, I'd love to play dodgeball with Bush. And have a few glasses of wine afterwards. He's quick on his feet and seems like he really can't wait to NOT be president soon. Even the coolest people can leave sucky legacies, for whatever reasons.

2. On another-another note, it is a shame that the reporter has allegedly been tortured in custody. That isn't democracy or justice. On one end, he should've known what he was potentially putting himself into when he decided to do what he did. I don't trust ANY government as far as I can throw it.

It's good to see that there are a lot of people in this thread with some sense. Across the country, stupid people are celebrating this like a Super Bowl win. I expect SNL to have a field day.

Daemonseid is doing the most in this thread. Daemonseid, if you agree with AKA Monet, doesn't that refute much of what you've been trying to say? She said throwing the shoe wasn't right for that man to do regardless of how people feel about the POTUS.

he did do a good job of getting out of the way, though.

does the white house have gymnastics?

If that is the question, then you missed the point of what I was agreeing with her about.

I am in agreement only with her questioning of why was Bush in Iraq in the first place, putting himself in harm's way.

That is what I am agreement with, I can't understand why people are missing that.

For those that need clarification this is the question I am referring to:

You agreed with the lesser of her points.

A lot of people wonder why he was there. The public statement is that he was there for a surprise final visit. Does this make or break the shoe incident?

Regardless...that is the point I agreed on because it IS a valid question to which I referred to earlier stating that as far as I know, none of our sitting presidents EVER visited an active warzone in which we were engaged in. Does it make or break the shoe incident? SURE!

That easily could have been an assassination in which by this time today if it was the Media would ahve already been working theories about teh purpose of Bush's visit et cetera et cetera and so on.

Like it or not altho it may be a lesser point, it's a very good question and sometimes the small questions are the glaring ones we should be asking.

No. Idiots would've found it funny, anyway.

Some idiots would've laughed if he had been assassinated. :rolleyes:

People don't know why he was there and they didn't wait for an explanation before they celebrated the shoe incident. Why he was there and the shoe incident are two separate issues, unless we're a) hypothesizing that the SS was unprepared for this trip and therefore unprepared to fight off shoe wielding reporters and b) saying that the POTUS is to blame for whatever harm they are placed in--even if they are in a room filled with reporters. The latter is a dangerous argument to make.

Not me.

The problem is those great points are so often buried in so much muck, I've gotten so I usually just skim his posts, if that.

I don't read his posts. I tried to skim the last page and my hair starting falling out. That's why I had to ask him about his agreement with AKA Monet.

Whoa, DS, it's time to take a break. This part of your post has a definite Earpish quality to it. Take a breath and a step back from the keyboard until it passes...

Not even...it's a perfectly acceptable question to ask.

And given to how most of the country (the rest of the world, really) feels about all that's been going on for the past years since this war has started, it's an acceptable opinion to have in asking that question.

It's almost akin to a conquering general taking one last look at a vanquished neighbor that he is leaving worse off than he did when he started.

Seriously think about it.

Me personally, there is really no good reason that I can think of that he needs to be there at this point in time.

Are you even serious? Saddam was executed in Iraq (12/30/06), and convicted by the Iraqi Special Tribunal for the murder of 148 Iraqi Shi'ites in the town of Dujail in 1982. We captured Saddam and turned him over to the people he terrorized, so that they could try him. At least two lawyers defending Saddam were murdered in cold bold by Iraqis. We also found mass graves in Iraq. I think you are way out of bounds. Second, you are un-American for wishing that your president was killed by a shoe. We are privileged enough to be able to say what we feel in the United States, but you have over stepped this right. Disliking a President and talking negatively about him is one thing, and you have done a complete other. Stop making yourself, your country, and your fraternity look like crap with your ridiculous comments.

Don't worry, the Savior known as Obama will be here soon to cure not only America's problems, but the entire world's. I can’t wait until 2012, when people realize that Obama is a politician. He is a politician that said what he had to, to get elected. There is no possible way he can deliver on everything he promised. Get ready for disappointment. His voting record does not back up the promises he has made. I wish Obama well, and wish that he can deliver on all of his promises but at the same time, I am a realist. You should never wish harm on our President, not matter how you believe he has performed. No matter what you think of Bush’s policy, he the leader of our country and you should think about that before making such ridiculous remarks.

That is an unsubstantiated interpretation of it.

This is why theorizing about why Bush went to Iraq is a separate issue.

Maybe he went to make a pitcher of Kool-Aid. So? He ended up getting a shoe pitcher. Whackawhackawhacka...dumdumdum...chhhhhhh......

Are you done with your tantrum?

Ask your sitting president if he violated the Geneva Convention as it relates to reprisals.

(Don't be surprised should he say 'No')

You have a wonderful day! ;)

Now mid you, this was a secret visit also. If this incident had never happened, we would have never known that Bush was there.

Something else to think about.

The difference between this and other wars, is that we were fighting against the country's government in every other war. Right now, we are fighting WITH the Iraqi government against insurgents in Iraq. Seriously, if you are going to get into a political arguement please know your facts.

Correct, supposedly, the First Lady is one of the relative few who knew.

He quietly left the White House in the evening while his guests were off to bed. The guests were to awake to the surprise that the man they were doing the Electric Slide with the night before is now in Iraq on a final visit. Instead, they awoke to the surprise that he was in Iraq and had a shoe thrown at him.

Untrue. The reporters were there in order to...........

You can think about that.

The secrecy was likely a security measure because as you have continually noted, he was entering a "war zone". And so the roomful of reporters were all sworn to secrecy, you think? Not one news story would have come out about his farewell visit after he was safely out of country?


ETA: aw, I miss our "jinx" moments like this, Chaos! ;)

Yeah and your point is what?

answer the question since you wanna throw your hat into the "Whack a Daemon" role...

WHY. WAS. BUSH. THERE. ?

Now think about what you just said. The war didn't start with us fighting insurgents. It started with us overthrowing the current regime under Saddam Hussein when we STILL should have been seeking out Bin Ladin for 9/11 but we just so happened to find an excuse (WMDs remember those things? vaporware we never found?) to go in and attack.

So now you are changing subjects. If Bush violated the Geneva Convention, why isn't he being tried for it? Please give me your concrete evidence for his violations. Being that you were probably in Iraq to witness things that happened. Stop talking trash that you don't know. I bet you can't even tell me what party controls the congress. Are you one of the people on this video? http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

Maybe we can get a Bush sockpuppet to answer the question. Or I'm sure Chuck Norris knows.

Then will you shut up or will you continually drift off into the abyss of diversionary tactics? LOL.

See what I mean about AKA Moent's question being valid altho a lesser point?

You edited your post to attempt more smartassyness and condescendingness. You suck at it, though, so give it a rest.

I'm enjoying the fact that this thread is such a

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