I was just checking fivethirtyeight.com and read this article after having just caught up on the posts here. I felt like I had to come back and link it because of the mentions about racial comments coming up in the normal course of the campaign volunteers' days. The posts mentioning the "progress" we've made ran through my head: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/...-virginia.html

No, I said your misplaced outrage is foolish. And I'm pretty sure I've called you a moron on here a number of times, so I apologize for letting myself get sucked into arguing with your inane, off-topic responses again.

Anyways, I still think you two are arguing a point no one is making, but if it makes you feel like a little Jesse Jackson standing up for the black folks, have at it.

And Phrozen, I totally forgot, you're only allowed to "know" things directly related to your own race. Thanks for setting me straight on that.

Whatever, dude
 

Why are you getting upset to the point of cursing and name calling? We obviously don't (and will never) agree on this topic, but that's no reason to lose your temper like you did. All you succeeded in doing is giving me my first HEARTY laugh of the day. Thank you. I mean that from the bottom of my facetious little heart. :D

Whatever point you were trying to make, my ability to hear it and take you seriously, was lost. I do not agree with you, and I will never agree with you on this topic. Big deal. It's not like we actually matter to each other, anyway (other than if you were drowning I'd try my best to rescue you type of thing - on my part, anyway). :rolleyes:

At any rate, we need to stop posting to each other about this topic. It's obvious neither of us are going to budge, and to continue will only waste time and energy, and I don't like wasting my time or energy. So, enjoy your weekend.

As much as I am gonna hate to say this...I am gonna do it anyways....

I really, truly hate it when some whites refer back to Jesse Jackson as if he is The Spokesperson for All of Black America....name dropping him like that is going to shut us up....

Clue: Jesse Jackson does NOT speak for ALL of us...and I hate it even more because some whites REALLY have no frame of reference to find out of the many of the 1000's of OTHER Blacks who are just as capable and in MANY ways more legitimate than Jesse....please do not allow such foolishness come up out of mouth and God forbid...don't do that if you are face to face in a debate with us...it simply destroys your credibility....just like losing your temper did.

Now, you know you're wasting your time.

hey...I just had to get it out there.....any ol' ways back to Morgan State Football!!

Screw schools I've never heard of, haha. Florida whooped ass, Georgia looks great, I can't wait till next week (and I'm wasted, haha). And on top of that Texas looks real good too.

And hint hint, I make obnoxious points like comparing you to JJ when I'm trying to be as obnoxious as you are by implying that I'm racist for pointing out that you're "answering" a point no one is making. Most whites realize that very few people who don't belong to Rainbow/Push listen to ol' Jesse or Al either.

Anyways, great college football, great drinks, who cares about this, lets cheer up and get even more drunk!

It needed to be said. Thank you.

What does it matter if these ancestors are probably dead anyways? Seriously? I may have had family in the mafia way way back. Does that affect me today? No. So why does it matter if McCain acknowledges or if it was confirmed that Obama's mother's family owned slaves?

Exactly...and again...even if they did...no big whup.

Thanks. And, as someone who does not live it everyday, I appreciate your perspective.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00
What does it matter if these ancestors are probably dead anyways? Seriously? I may have had family in the mafia way way back. Does that affect me today? No. So why does it matter if McCain acknowledges or if it was confirmed that Obama's mother's family owned slaves?

Sen. McCain's silence on this and his lack of participation in the McCain family reunion, if correct, is quizzical, since his brother and many of his cousins have joined in the essentially reconciliatory event. The question is this:why would Sen. McCain want to distance himself from this positive event? What political calculus is behind this? Would he offend a part of his "base"--a base that would look negatively on Black/ White reconciliation and the acknowledgement of the sordid history of our nation? This is not about what happened in the the past but about what he is doing now!

I don't know. Ask CrackerBarrel.

I get why...certain people in this country...believe that slavery is a matter of history. It's difficult to understand the issue when one has no concept of reality. Slavery was (and is) a symptom of a systemic oppressing and denigrating social structure that continues today. Slavery in and of itself is not the core problem.

What were some of the other symptoms circa 1665?

I truly believe this is one area where causation and correlation are basically completely irrelevant, with the one caveat that the term "slavery" causes some measure of irrationality in discussion, clouding the core issue.

In that way, I can see the desire to focus on systemic oppression, but there's really no reason to do anything to minimize the effects of slavery, since many of the tangible bases of oppression (wealth distribution; access to education; role in higher-order decision making) can basically be tied directly to slavery and its after-effects.

I guess, in short: I can see what you're trying to do, but I don't think it's the right way to direct the conversation if you're truly trying to "get through" to people who don't understand.

The demonization of Native Americans. These issues were borrowed from Europe and spread with the "civilization" of the planet by whites. The racialization of Jews rose in the late 1500s due to European colonization. White supremacy is concomitant with the rise of the European nation-state. That ideology is a justification for colonialism and dehumanization. Religion played a large part as well.

ETA: You and I probably differ on our interpretation of historical events. My personal experiences impact the way I view history as, I'm sure, yours do as well. This post might be the beginning of a nasty GC argument, so I'm going to tread carefully.

**sitting back watching**

Somebody pass the popcorn

You're a trouble maker. :D

So I have been told...but hey....I was trying to leave this line of convo alone....the most I can do now is sit back and watch!

heh!

:)

Uh Oh. I don't have a good feeling about this. I hope I'm wrong.

Here's the popcorn.

Pass the hot wings and celery.