Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1680006)

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1680007)

yeah, well the white fraternities common sense is always absurdly lower than the rest of the pack.

-tld221
--do you see the stupid isht they do? sheesh.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1680028)

I'm all about continuing to talk about this but what "what" should I try to explain?

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet (Post 1680021)

You know, the more I think about this thread, I have questions for the OP. Such as... WHY?

But, I've been on GC since '01 and have come to realize that it is the GC way to swerve out of your lane. http://www.pledgepark.com/images/smilies/driving.gif

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1680026)

It might turn out that all NPHC groups have higher average GPAs nationally than the NPC and NIC groups. And it would be equally interesting to speculate about why that would be true. Would smaller chapters inspire a person to work harder in class because he or she is one of the few representatives of the group? Is it that the legacy of perseverance and triumph that some of the groups have inspires at a deep level? It it that only the academic creme de la creme join NPHCs, so the average high school experience by race doesn't matter? Is it that by joining later, you'd be more serious?

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet (Post 1680031)

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1680026)

I think all NPC have ideals that value scholarship, so it's not contrary in any way for them to value getting good grades, but I do really think that for some chapters, GPA is really emphasized more than at others. And I think once you are number one, it's really hard to face falling to three or four, so the really competitive chapters may be less interested in a girl who is a "grade risk" during recruitment and then they start self selecting for high grades maybe more than other chapters.

(Although all chapters want girls with good grades, I think, and to be honest, the whole process kind of self selects for the same type of good-grade making, involved on campus type of person.)

And NPCs typically are bigger, so one or two girls aren't going to pull their average down that much, absolutely.

But you know, it seems like we're almost accepting that NPC grades would be higher when we really don't have conclusive evidence of that. That's what I mean about it generally being interesting. If it were true, these might be the reasons.

It might turn out that all NPHC groups have higher average GPAs nationally than the NPC and NIC groups. And it would be equally interesting to speculate about why that would be true. Would smaller chapters inspire a person to work harder in class because he or she is one of the few representatives of the group? Is it that the legacy of perseverance and triumph that some of the groups have inspires at a deep level? It it that only the academic creme de la creme join NPHCs, so the average high school experience by race doesn't matter? Is it that by joining later, you'd be more serious?

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1680034)

But is a comparison in anyone's lane?

It's not just about NPHC policy really.

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet (Post 1680035)

That value is echoed in the NPHC as well. (side note: I've never spoken in terms of the NPHC outside of GC. In UG and beyond, it was just about Delta! :) )

You're pondering pretty hard on an issue that is very campus-specific. The OP should go ask those chapter members why their GPA is so low then report his/her findings.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1680034)

But is a comparison in anyone's lane?

It's not just about NPHC policy really.

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet (Post 1680036)

Go back and read the first post...

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1680039)

Well, the topic might be campus specific, it might be part of a broad trend, or it might be an exception to the trend. But it's tied to a pretty important issue in terms of trends in educational achievement.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1680042)

Would we really be better off has she not wondered?

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1680040)

Nah but this is just a...strange topic.

And the OP is...strange...and operated from a strange premise. The title is...strange because I was about to tell the person to look up our GPA requirements for pursuing membership and move on. I figured it was obvious that all GLOs are held to some academic standard at every school that has academic standards for students and GLOs. Why would NPHC orgs not be held to a GPA standard?

(I'm not even concerned with the different explanations for why GPAs vary.)

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet (Post 1680052)

You know why that question is hard for me to answer (even though you didn't necessarily ask me but my soror DSTChaos)?

Because I wouldn't even know what the GPAs of those other groups are because I wouldn't care enough about those things to find out.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1680048)

Well, let's say you were from a campus where the chapters of the NPC groups all had bad GPAs and one in particular was below a 2.0, so you felt pretty sure that no national org. was going to be cool with that. (When it's above a 2.0 it could just be difference in group cut standards.)

And yet, the groups all seems to be participating in all the activities that your group might shut down if the chapter's grades were too low. (To tell you the truth, I have no idea what happens if you don't meet the GPA requirements of you organization and your campus, but I'm assuming there would be social penalties, maybe?) So if the NPCs basically just seemed to be skating along, wouldn't you be a little curious about what was up with that?