You're welcome.

Oh, one person talking about one chapter/organization? Thanks for making sweeping claims about multiple organizations based on that. Or do you have a friend in every chapter who reports to you?

And what does "much service" mean in a quantitative sense? Did your friend hand over their service count?

Since you're volunteering. :)

I understand what you're saying, but maybe the TKEs on your campus weren't doing the hand sign to mock?

I've seen a lot of chapters do the triangle, even "whiter" chapters and mixed chapters and etc. The triple triangle is the main symbol of TKE, and it has a lot of meaning and symbolism to us, so when we "throw it up" it isn't because we're trying to be like NPHC chapters or mock them.

I can't speak for any other IFC/NPC group though, just my own. And I'm not arguing with the fact that some chapters do it just because they think it's cool or they have wanna-be-downitis :p... But in my fraternity, the equilateral triangle has a lot of significance and I don't think the chapters do it to mock.

I was asking a friend about service and what they've done compared to what my IFC org has done. On MY CAMPUS from what I HAVE SEEN, there is a lack of the orgs on the multicultural councils doing service. Did I say service was nonexistant? No. I'm saying that when it comes to it, ON MY CAMPUS, IFC/NPC tend to do more service. At a St. Judge letter writing drive, for example, I saw all of the IFC/NPC orgs and one of the orgs sitting on MCGC. When judicial board had a huge service week with prizes, the IFC/NPC orgs performed much better than the ones on the MCGC.

Did I say, every org on MCGC does no service? No. At my school, in what I have seen and what people tell me, IFC/NPC groups do more.

Unless you are on my campus and can refute this, you really don't have standing to make the claims you are making about me making generalizations.

That's the thing, most of our organizations have their own service initiatives to which our members devote a good deal of time, and often that service takes place off campus and in the community. Just because we are not as much a presence in these campus service events does not mean that we are not performing service. Many of our orgs have service initiatives that focus on the campus, but they are often organized and implemented by our organizations and not as an extension of institutional activities.

You seem to keep missing the point. Just because they aren't participating in university-sponsored service events or events on campus doesn't mean that they're doing less than IFC/NPC organizations.

Like I said, I'm not trying to downplay and say that these orgs don't do service. But from what I have seen at service events open to all GLOs that the ones on multicultural councils have a a really low turnout. Especially given the situation of these orgs on my campus facing member shortages, I would think they would want to get their name out there with all the good they do.

And you refuse to get it. We may not come to those things because we have the business of our organizations to attend to. We are not to be weighed and measured in the same ways that your organizations are, either in terms of service or in terms of members. The goals and methods of IFC/NPC orgs are, generally, not ours.

Maybe the lower numbers have something to do with it? IFC/NPC organizations with 50+ members can afford to send members to various events without missing a beat. That's more difficult for organizations with 5-15 members.

Just know that certain statements can be loaded because your post was about all nonNPC/nonIFC organizations. We explained that some service events are less visible or off campus and you responded telling me about your "friends'" comments and the lack of MCGLOs at St. Judge and during service week. Whether you're accurate in your more general assertions/assumptions is something that you'll need to find out on your own. If you haven't done so already. :)

That's the problem that many small chapters have. If you have 5 members and are expected to participate in Greek Week, service week, and everything else the same as a 40+ NPC or IFC chapter does, you will come up short. Then you'll get criticized for lack of participation/visibility and people will assume that you are doing less, in general. This has always been the case at the schools that I'm most familiar with.

Even bigger NPHC chapters (not the big ones at HBCUs but larger chapters at PWIs) may be much smaller than the NPC and IFC chapters. So they can delegate tasks better but will not have the same visibility if people are going by the NPC/IFC standard.

Nah, i dont think they were mocking. they clearly saw it somewhere, thought it was cool and did it.

ok, point taken, and i will not doubt what it symbolizes for TKE. however its not organization-wide. one chapter may be all for it and another will look at you like WTF? you lose your unity by doing something that, for NPHCs (and multicultural orgs, hell even NPCs that do them nationally) is one (of the many) tie that binds, regardless of the chapter.

again, doing what the other group did but not accomplishing what was accomplished. and to your :rolleyes: @ my comment on mimicking community service vs. handsigns. it really wouldnt hurt and id be more flattered if you copied my community services vs. my handsign.

not that nonNPHCs are here to please NPHCs or anything.

I know I'm late responding to this comment but I just have to throw in my 22 cents. When people make statements like this I just shake my head especially since some or all of the NPHC orgs have to do certain service projects/programs every semester or school year. It's mandatory. At least with my org it is and the calendar we have to comply with is not modest by any means. The only way a chapter could get away with not doing what is required is if their alumnae advisor wasn't doing her job. And even then it wouldn't be acceptable since a report has to be sent in to our national body at the end of every school year. So I have to agree with the others that just because you don't see everything doesn't mean things aren't going on. The undergrads may also have joint projects/programs with neighboring undergrad chapters and alumnae chapters away from their campuses.

Correct. :)

I'll go with a more...sociological look.

Sociologists call it "cross-ghettoization" (I believe it's the term), but it's not the word I would use, nor the word which aptly describes it. Simply put, ethnic minorities tend to reflect other ethnic minorities. The term "cross-ghettoization"(I think) is a somewhat harsher word towards hispanics and other ethnic groups.

In Germany, the black people (which have noooothing in common with African-Americans in America except they're usually only 2nd generation immigrants instead of 10th from Africa)...dress exactly the same as the stereotyped "rap" popular "ghetto" culture. They wear long black t-shirts, saggy jeans, etc. They see the ethnic minorities in America and tend to reflect that culture...even if it has nothing to do with their own. So, perhaps, the other LGLO/MCGLO's, do with NPHC. It's only a theory, I guess, but an interesting one.