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Kevin 05-16-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1652735)
So we can convict now on what one can assume someone was thinking? Terrifying.

Most crimes have, since ancient English common law times included an element of intent.

In criminal statutes, you'll see words like "intentionally, knowingly, recklessly or negligently" as being a big part of the element of a crime. In latin, it's the mens rea, or the 'guilty mind.'

Murder in the first degree, for example, everyone knows that murder is "The intentional killing of another human being with malice aforethought." Half of the crime is the mental state.

The other half is the actus reus, the 'guilty act.'

But as I said above, in this particular case, this defendant's priors had a role to play. He had pled out and served 13 years for five counts of attempted murder... so this sentence, in my opinion is a public service. This man, if left in the general population will kill. He has shown before that he is capable of doing it and here, these facts, if true point out that he would have no qualms with passing a mostly fatal disease to his arresting officer.

This kind of trash deserves to be locked up.

PhiGam 05-16-2008 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1652736)
It's a punishable crime if you knowingly try to spread HIV

Hence the man in the OP getting 35 years for it.

nittanyalum 05-16-2008 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1652736)
ETA: I just did a precursery search about people convicted for spreading HIV:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=man...&ei=UTF-8&vm=r

It's a punishable crime if you knowingly try to spread HIV

All the examples in your link are of people having unprotected sex, though.

Senusret I 05-16-2008 02:43 PM

But......say I was REALLY angry with somebody and tried to give them a concussion with a helium balloon. Y'all know good and daggone well a helium balloon is not going to give somebody a concussion.

Furthermore, I think if I was going to spit on someone, I'd aim for the face, too. I think, to be honest, the HIV in this case is incidental.

nittanyalum 05-16-2008 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1652759)
But as I said above, in this particular case, this defendant's priors had a role to play. He had pled out and served 13 years for five counts of attempted murder... so this sentence, in my opinion is a public service. This man, if left in the general population will kill. He has shown before that he is capable of doing it and here, these facts, if true point out that he would have no qualms with passing a mostly fatal disease to his arresting officer.

This kind of trash deserves to be locked up.

I am in total agreement, trust me, I am not in any way trying to argue on behalf of this particular dirtball, I'm just trying to clarify if someone with HIV will automatically be assumed to be intending to harm by spitting in someone's face, even if it's just an in-the-heat-of-the-moment-reaction and the "intent" was just to show disrespect, versus someone who makes it verbally or otherwise patently clear that they're spitting in an attempt to "give" the person something.

nittanyalum 05-16-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1652762)
But......say I was REALLY angry with somebody and tried to give them a concussion with a helium balloon. Y'all know good and daggone well a helium balloon is not going to give somebody a concussion.

Furthermore, I think if I was going to spit on someone, I'd aim for the face, too. I think, to be honest, the HIV in this case is incidental.

LOL @ the balloon scenario and re: the bolded part, that's what I'm trying to get to and have continually failed at, apparently.

Senusret I 05-16-2008 02:47 PM

^^^ I'm with you.

DaemonSeid 05-16-2008 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1652758)
You have some e-anger issues

If that is what you assume...but then hey you assumed there was an insanity plea too...

DaemonSeid 05-16-2008 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1652760)
Hence the man in the OP getting 35 years for it.

Hey pretty swift kid you are....now you are catching up!

DaemonSeid 05-16-2008 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1652762)
But......say I was REALLY angry with somebody and tried to give them a concussion with a helium balloon. Y'all know good and daggone well a helium balloon is not going to give somebody a concussion.

Furthermore, I think if I was going to spit on someone, I'd aim for the face, too. I think, to be honest, the HIV in this case is incidental.

aww come on now man...a helium ballon.....unless it was filled with a virus...

Kevin 05-16-2008 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1652763)
I am in total agreement, trust me, I am not in any way trying to argue on behalf of this particular dirtball, I'm just trying to clarify if someone with HIV will automatically be assumed to be intending to harm by spitting in someone's face, even if it's just an in-the-heat-of-the-moment-reaction and the "intent" was just to show disrespect, versus someone who makes it verbally or otherwise patently clear that they're spitting in an attempt to "give" the person something.

My understanding is that this comes on the heels of a jury trial. There's a presumption of innocence in all criminal proceedings. So no, I don't think this is ever going to be an "automatic" assumption. A jury here found that the defendant intended to transmit the disease. This is a jury's finding -- no presumption of anything here (other than innocence).

Senusret I 05-16-2008 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1652772)
aww come on now man...a helium ballon.....unless it was filled with a virus...

Helium can kill you. That's a fact.

DSTCHAOS 05-16-2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1652758)
DST implied it... at least I felt so.

You assumed so. ;)

I know the difference between incapacitation defenses and insanity pleas.

LucyKKG 05-16-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1652699)
who said anything about an insanity plea?

R.I.F.

Umm what does RIF mean when it's not Reading is Fundamental? Oh, unless that's what you mean, just not like the organization...

skylark 05-16-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LucyKKG (Post 1652812)
Umm what does RIF mean when it's not Reading is Fundamental? Oh, unless that's what you mean, just not like the organization...

I make the same Kappa-mistake when I see it sometimes, too. On GC it means Read It First (something I am all too often guilty of and all too often told to do).


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